An adult weekly training schedule for very high level tennis

[FiReFTW]

Since im bored at work and theres alot of talk about how adults cant get great at tennis compared to young teens, I decided to make a training schedule I think would be a great one for an adult player in order to achieve very high level of tennis comparable to young competitor players.

I talked to a friend today who plays tennis since 5 and is 24 now, she started competing even but injury then stopped her, and I asked her how much tennis she played and trained.. so this schedule is made with that in mind, so its somewhat similar to the play time and all, but a bit less.., when she was telling me and calculating she was suprized herself, thinking about her weekly schedule every day 3h+ how much she actually played if u take 10 years timespan, it really is crazy.

First he should get a good coach and then talk about goals and they should start working on achieving objectives and improving specific shots or stuff.

2nd realize they need a good diet and be fit.

Schedule

Monday
Morning: 1.5h gym strengthening training
Afternoon: 1.5h session with coach

Tuesday
Morning: 1.5h footwork, agility, fitness work
Afternoon: 1.5h session with a similar level player under coach supervision

Wednesday
Morning: 1.5h hitting session with partner
Afternoon: 1.5h point and match play

Thursday
Morning: 1.5h gym strengthening training
Afternoon: 1.5h session with coach

Friday
Morning: 1.5h footwork, agility, fitness work
Afternoon: 1.5h session with a similar level player under coach supervision

Saturday
Morning: 1.5h hitting session with partner
Afternoon: 2h point and match play

Sunday
Rest day

12.5 very quality hours of tennis per week
and 6 hours working on fitness,agility,balance,strength,coordination...etc

Now this is a demanding but very good schedule, someone would improve massively in 1 year with this schedule.

Now realistically adults dont have near enough time to do close to that schedule and it would be extremely expensive.

Average coach charges around 50-60$ per hour for a private lesson in USA i believe?

So in 2 person training sessions both split the price

So thats 225-270$ per week, 900-1080$ per month, and 10.800-12.960$ per year

And thats not taking into account the cost for balls, restringing, tennis courts (somewhere in usa they are pricey while somewhere u can get free public court play), fuel cost, and other expenses.

So becoming a high level tennis player takes a TON of time every day and a TON of money, both are a problem for adults, time is impossible to find so much and money nobody will pay so much for tennis or any other sport its a huge investment for no real return just improving a ton.

Kids have a ton of time and their parents will pay usually for alot of traning, and hoping they are talented enough to make it.

Pretty interesting once you really break it down and think about it, no wonder no adult can come close to compare to competitive 15 year olds,unless someone already went through all that training as a kid.

An adult will just never come CLOSE to closing the massive gap in hours of tennis play.

 

[styksnstryngs]

I feel like this post lacks some ethos. You started it off with the fact that you banged out this intense training program for high-level adults because you were bored at work, and based off of one player's experience. Yet despite that, I like it a lot.

 

[FiReFTW]

I feel like this post lacks some ethos. You started it off with the fact that you banged out this intense training program for high-level adults because you were bored at work, and based off of one player's experience. Yet despite that, I like it a lot.

Yeah since there was a thread about adults sucking at tennis I was just curious and asked a girl I know who I know had the training that most really high ceiling kids have.

I knew it was much but it was more than I thought, and then I calculated how much play time that is in 10 years and I was shocked, so I had a bit of a revelation, that its even much more than I ever though so that im now convinced that no adult ever can come close to that realistically, unless maybe filthy rich with all the time in the world and a huge desire to become a super good tennis player.

And since im suuuuuper bored at work now, I decided hey im going to make this thread here, to see what other people think about this.

 

[StringSnapper]

Since im bored at work and theres alot of talk about how adults cant get great at tennis compared to young teens, I decided to make a training schedule I think would be a great one for an adult player in order to achieve very high level of tennis comparable to young competitor players.

I talked to a friend today who plays tennis since 5 and is 24 now, she started competing even but injury then stopped her, and I asked her how much tennis she played and trained.. so this schedule is made with that in mind, so its somewhat similar to the play time and all, but a bit less.., when she was telling me and calculating she was suprized herself, thinking about her weekly schedule every day 3h+ how much she actually played if u take 10 years timespan, it really is crazy.

First he should get a good coach and then talk about goals and they should start working on achieving objectives and improving specific shots or stuff.

2nd realize they need a good diet and be fit.

Schedule

Monday
Morning: 1.5h gym strengthening training
Afternoon: 1.5h session with coach

Tuesday
Morning: 1.5h footwork, agility, fitness work
Afternoon: 1.5h session with a similar level player under coach supervision

Wednesday
Morning: 1.5h hitting session with partner
Afternoon: 1.5h point and match play

Thursday
Morning: 1.5h gym strengthening training
Afternoon: 1.5h session with coach

Friday
Morning: 1.5h footwork, agility, fitness work
Afternoon: 1.5h session with a similar level player under coach supervision

Saturday
Morning: 1.5h hitting session with partner
Afternoon: 2h point and match play

Sunday
Rest day

12.5 very quality hours of tennis per week
and 6 hours working on fitness,agility,balance,strength,coordination...etc

Now this is a demanding but very good schedule, someone would improve massively in 1 year with this schedule.

Now realistically adults dont have near enough time to do close to that schedule and it would be extremely expensive.

Average coach charges around 50-60$ per hour for a private lesson in USA i believe?

So in 2 person training sessions both split the price

So thats 225-270$ per week, 900-1080$ per month, and 10.800-12.960$ per year

And thats not taking into account the cost for balls, restringing, tennis courts (somewhere in usa they are pricey while somewhere u can get free public court play), fuel cost, and other expenses.

So becoming a high level tennis player takes a TON of time every day and a TON of money, both are a problem for adults, time is impossible to find so much and money nobody will pay so much for tennis or any other sport its a huge investment for no real return just improving a ton.

Kids have a ton of time and their parents will pay usually for alot of traning, and hoping they are talented enough to make it.

Pretty interesting once you really break it down and think about it, no wonder no adult can come close to compare to competitive 15 year olds,unless someone already went through all that training as a kid.

An adult will just never come CLOSE to closing the massive gap in hours of tennis play.

Another factor to keep in mind is intensity and injuries.

I'm only 26 and injury free but i wouldnt be able to do this plan unless i had a daily massage therapist and a physio lol, especially at any kind of intensity. I can play maybe 3 or 4 times a week at a good intensity but im pretty sore after that. Maybe all those gym sessions would help though. I find walking or stairs good maybe for "active recovery"

 

[IowaGuy]

Another factor to keep in mind is intensity and injuries.

I'm only 26 and injury free but i wouldnt be able to do this plan unless i had a daily massage therapist and a physio lol, especially at any kind of intensity. I can play maybe 3 or 4 times a week at a good intensity but im pretty sore after that. Maybe all those gym sessions would help though. I find walking or stairs good maybe for "active recovery"

I'm in my mid-40's and injury-free, but definitely can't recover from a hard workout as fast as when I was playing tennis in my teens.

Older adults need more recovery time, along with some low-impact activities to complement tennis. Can't hit tennis balls for 3 hours per day like I did when I was a kid, without risking injury...

 

[dman72]

I'm in my mid-40's and injury-free, but definitely can't recover from a hard workout as fast as when I was playing tennis in my teens.

Older adults need more recovery time, along with some low-impact activities to complement tennis. Can't hit tennis balls for 3 hours per day like I did when I was a kid, without risking injury...

Agreed. Also, especially over 40, you do not want to be doing heavy gym workouts 24 hours before high intensity hitting where you are pushing to get to balls, it's just a recipe for lazy footwork at best, injury at worst. I do 2 lifting sessions per week, and they are usually the day after a match. This actually helps with the joint soreness (these are slow controlled movements) and I know I have 48 hours before I'm scrambling around a hard court again.

 

[FiReFTW]

Interesting how few ppl commented this thread, then ppl will keep opening new threads why most adults who play for a few years suck at tennis compared to 13 year old juniors in a tennis club who play for a few years.

 

[BallBag]

How is this any different from a high end junior schedule? I think something more realistic would be more interesting. What does your friend's schedule look like with 6 hours and $100 per week? I think that's more representative of what an average kid does.

 

[J011yroger]

First he should get a good coach.

Second he should tell that good coach his goals and his financial, physical, and time constraints and then do whatever the good coach tells him to do instead of something a guy who is bored at work made up.

J

 

[SCSI]

It's completely doable, however it requires some key ingredients and understanding. First, the biggest obstacle for adults (and kids too) is the mindset. You need to forget what you think you know and be genuinely open to new ideas and what your limit might be. Second, you need to go for quality not quantity. It's absolutely true that high level players have put in thousands of hours of training and repetition. However, you could overcome this by doing the right things in the right way everyday.

For example, instead of trying to put in a 2-3 hours of hitting session every day, get in front of your mirror and simulate hitting your FH and BH in the right way, focusing on the most important parts such as forearm loading and rotation as well as weight transfer while staying perfectly balanced. Do this 15 min per day, and you will see that you FH and BH will improve dramatically. I also do this while walking on the street (without a racket in my hands), adding another 20-30 min. per day. You can do the same for toss consistency at home.

This is in addition to quality lessons and training and playing time. You also would need a coach that is good and believe in your cause. Typical club coaches are not likely to help much. You will also need a couple of good regular playing partners that will push you and pick on your weakness such that you will be forced to come up with answers to their questions.

There is so much more to this and I am sure there are many different ways to get there. It will likely still take longer in making progression compared to a young kid.

One way to make this more economical would be to find a way to be a helper/hitting partner for junior players. This way, you can get some quality hitting in for free, while being forced to really control your balls.

 

[tlm]

Sorry but anybody that knows anything about strength training would not have you working out for a hour and a half especially someone new to strength training.

 

[user92626]

no wonder no adult can come close to compare to competitive 15 year olds,unless someone already went through all that training as a kid.

An adult will just never come CLOSE to closing the massive gap in hours of tennis play.

What for? Advanced adult tennis is very pointless and a lot of time depressing if you're not careful.

I am having a hard time in feeling interested in good tennis because it doesn't exist. All my opponents and partners are crappy 3.5 at best.

Our groups are into drama and petty personal conflicts now. I go with the flow to save my sanity.

 

[ChaelAZ]

When I was able to train the two biggest things for me were quality of effort and consistency doing it. My HIIT workout is only 15 minutes and crams a bunch of stuff in that time. I was doing that three days a week and doing longer steady state cardio the rest of the days. Always practicing agility and balance stuff too. I actually cut out all weight lifting and felt better overall on court with more functional workouts.

 

[tlm]

When I was able to train the two biggest things for me were quality of effort and consistency doing it. My HIIT workout is only 15 minutes and crams a bunch of stuff in that time. I was doing that three days a week and doing longer steady state cardio the rest of the days. Always practicing agility and balance stuff too. I actually cut out all weight lifting and felt better overall on court with more functional workouts.

HIIT training is good, I do CrossFit and tabata training which is similar. I still use weight training also but mostly as maintenance and injury prevention. If your training time is limited then CrossFit or HIIT would probably be best for tennis.

 

[tlm]

What for? Advanced adult tennis is very pointless and a lot of time depressing if you're not careful.

I am having a hard time in feeling interested in good tennis because it doesn't exist. All my opponents and partners are crappy 3.5 at best.

Our groups are into drama and petty personal conflicts now. I go with the flow to save my sanity.

That’s funny there is a lot of that in some tennis teams and groups. I’m lucky that I have a good selection of 4.0-4.5 players to hit with.
I play in a singles league at times and what I like about that is it’s just you playing singles, no team drama. But with the right group of guys team tennis can be fun, but most of it is about doubles which I’m not interested in.

 

[Bender]

Here's mine (to be repeated on alternate days):

Morning: Watch sureshs tennis video on loop for 2 hours
Afternoon: Re-read TTPS tennis threads for 4 hours
Evening: Warmup forehand and backhand winners for 1 min from the baseline, then play mixed doubles
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW complaining about how I lost to two 3.0 women in doubles because I'm not improving, and that my fictional / nonexistent coach is a waste of money compared to online instruction

Morning: Give advice to a 5.0 player that his strokes have technical issues and use too much arm. Complain that his video was recorded with a pinhole camera during a thunderstorm, and does not meet the minimum recording quality of 4K @ 240 fps in direct sunlight.
Afternoon: Debate with @ByeByePoly on the what the role of the pinky finger on the dominant hand should be when bouncing the ball before a serve, then accuse @JohnYandell that he doesn't know what he's talking about because of a Roger Federer warmup video I watched two years ago.
Evening: Warmup aces down the T for 1 minute from the service line, then play mixed doubles again
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW about the role of the pec stretch, ISR, ESR, and wrist snap on the serve, and how it improved my serve so much so suddenly that my usual opponents were unable to return it that one and only time I hit it in over two sets. Do not mention the DF or 1st serve % stats, or the fact that my opponents were middle aged women.

When raining: Do one set of bicep curls for 5 minutes (if necessary, add a 1 minute TTW / Reddit break between each rep). Make sure you use correct form, and swing the dumbbell forward and back using the weight of the dumbbell to your advantage. Drink your post-workout chocolate fudge milkshake that you had delivered from McDonald's. Whey and casein are milk extracts so there's no big difference; they're all just big pharma trying to rob you of your money. Go on TTW again and accuse Nadal of using steroids because despite your efforts, your biceps haven't grown that big, meaning that it is impossible to get biceps that big.

 

[Bender]

HIIT training is good, I do CrossFit and tabata training which is similar. I still use weight training also but mostly as maintenance and injury prevention. If your training time is limited then CrossFit or HIIT would probably be best for tennis.

Honestly, if training time is limited, then you should just do five sets of squats and a set of deadlifts and call it a day. Get adequate warmup / stretches on court, and give it 110% effort whilst you are on there.

The problem with CrossFit is that there are too many people out there that claim to be instructors who have no idea what they're talking about, which would actually lead to injury rather than prevent them.

If all fails, then even some bodyweight fitness can go a long way. Bodyweight squats and different varieties of pushups with good form can go a long way.

 

[ByakuFubuki]

Here's mine (to be repeated on alternate days):

Morning: Watch sureshs tennis video on loop for 2 hours
Afternoon: Re-read TTPS tennis threads for 4 hours
Evening: Warmup forehand and backhand winners for 1 min from the baseline, then play mixed doubles
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW complaining about how I lost to two 3.0 women in doubles because I'm not improving, and that my fictional / nonexistent coach is a waste of money compared to online instruction

Morning: Give advice to a 5.0 player that his strokes have technical issues and use too much arm. Complain that his video was recorded with a pinhole camera during a thunderstorm, and does not meet the minimum recording quality of 4K @ 240 fps in direct sunlight.
Afternoon: Debate with @ByeByePoly on the what the role of the pinky finger on the dominant hand should be when bouncing the ball before a serve, then accuse @JohnYandell that he doesn't know what he's talking about because of a Roger Federer warmup video I watched two years ago.
Evening: Warmup aces down the T for 1 minute from the service line, then play mixed doubles again
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW about the role of the pec stretch, ISR, ESR, and wrist snap on the serve, and how it improved my serve so much so suddenly that my usual opponents were unable to return it that one and only time I hit it in over two sets. Do not mention the DF or 1st serve % stats, or the fact that my opponents were middle aged women.

When raining: Do one set of bicep curls for 5 minutes (if necessary, add a 1 minute TTW / Reddit break between each rep). Make sure you use correct form, and swing the dumbbell forward and back using the weight of the dumbbell to your advantage. Drink your post-workout chocolate fudge milkshake that you had delivered from McDonald's. Whey and casein are milk extracts so there's no big difference; they're all just big pharma trying to rob you of your money. Go on TTW again and accuse Nadal of using steroids because despite your efforts, your biceps haven't grown that big, meaning that it is impossible to get biceps that big.

Don't forget to open your TTW Threads on how Pros should change their technique and equipment as they're sub-optimal, possibly asking them to do so in second person (E.G: "Please Dimitrov switch to an Eastern Backhand Grip").

Speaking of training schedules for adults and/or late beginners, there's this guy at the place I train who started off this year (I don't know his age, but it's safe to assume he's in his twenties). Now, since we don't use NTRP rating here and I don't really trust conversion charts, that's a little hard to rate, but approximately he used to lose big time to 3.0s at best. Then, he simply started playing practice sets 3-5h a day, taking no lesson (even the coaches who praise him can't help saying his shots are horrible). He eventually started competing in "4.5 and under" tournaments from there and beat enough 4.5s he's going to be bumped 5.0 at least when ratings update, and I've been told quite a few of the 4.5s he beat are going to be bumped as well.

Good for him courts are so cheap there (4€/h outdoors, 5€/h indoors) and he's got this unhuman stamina (never seen him break a sweat, and he plays pretty far from the court). Now I just wish I lived closer to the courts and I didn't have exams in the way, even though I kind of think it wouldn't work out nearly as well for me (and 12-20€/day is still more than I can afford).

 

[FiReFTW]

Most people don't do whats necessary, all they do is play tennis and play matches and hit balls without any end goal.

You build and improve your tennis game by working on technical aspects slowly, and doing countless drills and aiming targets and having objectives.

Ive build a very good technically sound loose forehand in 1.5 years, based on what the feedback has been from all coaches ive ever had lessons with.

And yet I still go out on the courts and do this every week or so once, even if it looks pointless and boring:

 

[StringSnapper]

Here's mine (to be repeated on alternate days):

Morning: Watch sureshs tennis video on loop for 2 hours
Afternoon: Re-read TTPS tennis threads for 4 hours
Evening: Warmup forehand and backhand winners for 1 min from the baseline, then play mixed doubles
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW complaining about how I lost to two 3.0 women in doubles because I'm not improving, and that my fictional / nonexistent coach is a waste of money compared to online instruction

Morning: Give advice to a 5.0 player that his strokes have technical issues and use too much arm. Complain that his video was recorded with a pinhole camera during a thunderstorm, and does not meet the minimum recording quality of 4K @ 240 fps in direct sunlight.
Afternoon: Debate with @ByeByePoly on the what the role of the pinky finger on the dominant hand should be when bouncing the ball before a serve, then accuse @JohnYandell that he doesn't know what he's talking about because of a Roger Federer warmup video I watched two years ago.
Evening: Warmup aces down the T for 1 minute from the service line, then play mixed doubles again
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW about the role of the pec stretch, ISR, ESR, and wrist snap on the serve, and how it improved my serve so much so suddenly that my usual opponents were unable to return it that one and only time I hit it in over two sets. Do not mention the DF or 1st serve % stats, or the fact that my opponents were middle aged women.

When raining: Do one set of bicep curls for 5 minutes (if necessary, add a 1 minute TTW / Reddit break between each rep). Make sure you use correct form, and swing the dumbbell forward and back using the weight of the dumbbell to your advantage. Drink your post-workout chocolate fudge milkshake that you had delivered from McDonald's. Whey and casein are milk extracts so there's no big difference; they're all just big pharma trying to rob you of your money. Go on TTW again and accuse Nadal of using steroids because despite your efforts, your biceps haven't grown that big, meaning that it is impossible to get biceps that big.

Lol'd pretty hard. My hats off to you sir

 

[FiReFTW]

Lol'd pretty hard. My hats off to you sir

I agree, thats hilarious

 

[ByeByePoly]

Here's mine (to be repeated on alternate days):

Morning: Watch sureshs tennis video on loop for 2 hours
Afternoon: Re-read TTPS tennis threads for 4 hours
Evening: Warmup forehand and backhand winners for 1 min from the baseline, then play mixed doubles
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW complaining about how I lost to two 3.0 women in doubles because I'm not improving, and that my fictional / nonexistent coach is a waste of money compared to online instruction

Morning: Give advice to a 5.0 player that his strokes have technical issues and use too much arm. Complain that his video was recorded with a pinhole camera during a thunderstorm, and does not meet the minimum recording quality of 4K @ 240 fps in direct sunlight.
Afternoon: Debate with @ByeByePoly on the what the role of the pinky finger on the dominant hand should be when bouncing the ball before a serve, then accuse @JohnYandell that he doesn't know what he's talking about because of a Roger Federer warmup video I watched two years ago.
Evening: Warmup aces down the T for 1 minute from the service line, then play mixed doubles again
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW about the role of the pec stretch, ISR, ESR, and wrist snap on the serve, and how it improved my serve so much so suddenly that my usual opponents were unable to return it that one and only time I hit it in over two sets. Do not mention the DF or 1st serve % stats, or the fact that my opponents were middle aged women.

When raining: Do one set of bicep curls for 5 minutes (if necessary, add a 1 minute TTW / Reddit break between each rep). Make sure you use correct form, and swing the dumbbell forward and back using the weight of the dumbbell to your advantage. Drink your post-workout chocolate fudge milkshake that you had delivered from McDonald's. Whey and casein are milk extracts so there's no big difference; they're all just big pharma trying to rob you of your money. Go on TTW again and accuse Nadal of using steroids because despite your efforts, your biceps haven't grown that big, meaning that it is impossible to get biceps that big.

McDonald's delivers? Sweet!!!

 

[Bender]

McDonald's delivers? Sweet!!!

They do where I live...unfortunately they aren't particularly fast...

 

[tlm]

Honestly, if training time is limited, then you should just do five sets of squats and a set of deadlifts and call it a day. Get adequate warmup / stretches on court, and give it 110% effort whilst you are on there.

The problem with CrossFit is that there are too many people out there that claim to be instructors who have no idea what they're talking about, which would actually lead to injury rather than prevent them.

If all fails, then even some bodyweight fitness can go a long way. Bodyweight squats and different varieties of pushups with good form can go a long way.

Really 5 sets of squats and a set of deadlifts and all is good. Lol that is a ridiculous workout routine. I will agree that there is some danger with CrossFit instructors that don’t know what they are doing.

Obviously you don’t understand the variety of CrossFit workouts that are available. For example one of my CrossFit workouts consists 35 body weight squats followed by 25 push-ups then 15 pull-ups this is repeated for 7 rounds and done with minimum rest. The goal is to try and improve the time it takes to get through this workout. If you don’t have a pull up bar or can’t do pull-ups then you can use an alternative exercise

This workout can be done at home and takes around 20 minutes and is very effective and also has minimal danger. There are many CrossFit workouts that just use basic body weight movements that are excellent workouts that are safe and will definitely improve your level of fitness.

 

[tlm]

Most people don't do whats necessary, all they do is play tennis and play matches and hit balls without any end goal.

You build and improve your tennis game by working on technical aspects slowly, and doing countless drills and aiming targets and having objectives.

Ive build a very good technically sound loose forehand in 1.5 years, based on what the feedback has been from all coaches ive ever had lessons with.

And yet I still go out on the courts and do this every week or so once, even if it looks pointless and boring:

Yep drop feeds are kind of boring but they are effective and will help your game. The local college coach I take lessons with says that drop feeds are good and said that some of his top players still practice with drop feeds.

 

[ptuanminh]

I can't believe adults need more time to recover. Most adults I know can start playing matches after only 5 minutes warm up. Fake news.

 

[Bender]

Really 5 sets of squats and a set of deadlifts and all is good. Lol that is a ridiculous workout routine. I will agree that there is some danger with CrossFit instructors that don’t know what they are doing.

Obviously you don’t understand the variety of CrossFit workouts that are available. For example one of my CrossFit workouts consists 35 body weight squats followed by 25 push-ups then 15 pull-ups this is repeated for 7 rounds and done with minimum rest. The goal is to try and improve the time it takes to get through this workout. If you don’t have a pull up bar or can’t do pull-ups then you can use an alternative exercise

This workout can be done at home and takes around 20 minutes and is very effective and also has minimal danger. There are many CrossFit workouts that just use basic body weight movements that are excellent workouts that are safe and will definitely improve your level of fitness.

I dispute your assertion that squats and deadlifts as a routine is "ridiculous". Both of those exercises are often referred to as the "king of all exercises". Five sets of squats and / or a set of deadlifts works really well for strength and muscle development to a certain extent, and that extent is actually really far out for most people just looking to get fit. "If you only have time to do one type of exercise, then do squats" is not a new claim, and has been around for a while for good reasons.

Squats + deadlifts + bench are the three fundamentals of strength training. They are more than enough to build a solid foundation that will greatly boost your performance in most sports. Depending on the variety of squats you do, you can even sidestep the cardio as well. Many strength building routines are in fact built around those three because while a lot of the work is done by a specific part of the body (squats: legs, deadlifts: back, bench: chest + arms) they are compound exercises and together cover pretty much every functional part of the body. Anything left out can be supplemented with isolation exercises, of course. There is a lot of progress threads on the internet on bodybuilding forums about how far a pure squat + deadlift + bench routine can take you (sometimes just squat and deadlift, but I think that's a bit unbalanced), and the results speak for themselves.

Also, traditional wisdom suggests that high weights is better than high reps for developing strength and muscle, although I did read a recent study that suggests that super high reps can rival it. From personal experience I tend to lean towards the former, but maybe I just didn't do enough reps. 5x5 barbell squats + 5x1 deadlifts + 5x5 bench press as your routine on alternating days (although many would do either squats OR deadlifts, not both, and switch one of them for rows roe example), each time adding 2.5 to 5 kg to all three routines for six months will get you real far for muscle growth.

There is nothing wrong with CrossFit or bodyweight exercises per se when done correctly don't get me wrong, but when you're starting out you really do not need to do anything fancy. A lot of my CrossFit buddies used to post videos of themselves doing elaborate exercises (I saw more than a few swinging pullups) at the instruction of trainers of questionable competence, and yet couldn't do basic things like pushups properly. Then there are CrossFitters I know who do things properly of course, so IMO CrossFit in and of itself clearly isn't an issue, although with the notorious reputation CrossFit has for causing avoidable injuries and glorifying unnecessary / dangerous movements you'd think otherwise. The main thing for most of us is to target the main muscle groups, and target them hard, properly and regularly. If CrossFit or bodyweight exercises can do that for you, then keep doing that until it stops being effective. Of course the option to move to more traditional forms of weightlifting from CrossFit / bodyweight exercises is always available as well.

For me, 5x5 is more than enough...unless you're trying to get as ripped as possible, you can get away with minimal amounts of supplementary isolation exercises (lat pulldowns, rows, curls being the most popular). You also seem to be of the belief that traditional programmes unlike CrossFit lack variety. They certainly do have variety, they just don't look as fancy. There are multiple variations of the basic barbell squat, which targets different parts of the body, and can even be modified to focus on fast or slow twitch fibres.

 

[tlm]

I dispute your assertion that squats and defense as a routine is "ridiculous". Both of those exercises are often referred to as the "king of all exercises". Five sets of squats and / or a set of deadlifts works really well for strength and muscle development to a certain extent, and that extent is actually really far out for most people just looking to get fit. "If you only have time to do one type of exercise, then do squats" is not a new claim, and has been around for a while for good reasons.

Squats + deadlifts + bench are the three fundamentals of strength training. They are more than enough to build a solid foundation that will greatly boost your performance in most sports. Depending on the variety of squats you do, you can even sidestep the cardio as well. Many strength building routines are in fact built around those three because while a lot of the work is done by a specific part of the body (squats: legs, deadlifts: back, bench: chest + arms) they are compound exercises and together cover pretty much every functional part of the body. Anything left out can be supplemented with isolation exercises, of course. There is a lot of progress threads on the internet on bodybuilding forums about how far a pure squat + deadlift + bench routine can take you (sometimes just squat and deadlift, but I think that's a bit unbalanced), and the results speak for themselves.

Also, traditional wisdom suggests that high weights is better than high reps for developing strength and muscle, although I did read a recent study that suggests that super high reps can rival it. From personal experience I tend to lean towards the former, but maybe I just didn't do enough reps. 5x5 barbell squats + 5x1 deadlifts + 5x5 bench press as your routine on alternating days (although many would do either squats OR deadlifts, not both, and switch one of them for rows roe example), each time adding 2.5 to 5 kg to all three routines for six months will get you real far for muscle growth.

There is nothing wrong with CrossFit or bodyweight exercises per se when done correctly don't get me wrong, but when you're starting out you really do not need to do anything fancy. A lot of my CrossFit buddies used to post videos of themselves doing elaborate exercises (I saw more than a few swinging pullups) at the instruction of trainers of questionable competence, and yet couldn't do basic things like pushups properly. Then there are CrossFitters I know who do things properly of course, so IMO CrossFit in and of itself clearly isn't an issue, although with the notorious reputation CrossFit has for causing avoidable injuries and glorifying unnecessary / dangerous movements you'd think otherwise. The main thing for most of us is to target the main muscle groups, and target them hard, properly and regularly. If CrossFit or bodyweight exercises can do that for you, then keep doing that until it stops being effective. Of course the option to move to more traditional forms of weightlifting from CrossFit / bodyweight exercises is always available as well.

For me, 5x5 is more than enough...unless you're trying to get as ripped as possible, you can get away with minimal amounts of supplementary isolation exercises (lat pulldowns, rows, curls being the most popular). You also seem to be of the belief that traditional programmes unlike CrossFit lack variety. They certainly do have variety, they just don't look as fancy. There are multiple variations of the basic barbell squat, which targets different parts of the body, and can even be modified to focus on fast or slow twitch fibres.

I will never deny that squats and dead lifts are great movements, but to only do the small amount that you were suggesting is not near enough.

I agree that higher weights are more beneficial also, but for a good workout without a gym the body weight workout I showed is excellent. I have noticed some of these CrossFit trainers and their programs are way out of line for the level of most beginners.

I’ve been training for many years and know how to exercise and do movements correctly. So I was just able to copy the CrossFit workouts that my son gave me. I have a gym in my basement. But like the workout I showed above there are many that you can do with just body weight exercises that are excellent, and for people with limited time these are great workouts.

 

[Bender]

I will never deny that squats and dead lifts are great movements, but to only do the small amount that you were suggesting is not near enough.

I agree that higher weights are more beneficial also, but for a good workout without a gym the body weight workout I showed is excellent. I have noticed some of these CrossFit trainers and their programs are way out of line for the level of most beginners.

I’ve been training for many years and know how to exercise and do movements correctly. So I was just able to copy the CrossFit workouts that my son gave me. I have a gym in my basement. But like the workout I showed above there are many that you can do with just body weight exercises that are excellent, and for people with limited time these are great workouts.

Again, mostly not in disagreement other than the part about the reps being insufficient. The point is that you should be squatting and deadlifting weights high enough with few reps that you are winded by the time you are done with them. High weights and low reps work pretty well for strength gains. Obviously for tennis you need muscle endurance as well, but the option to change your reps / sets is always there. The point of the 5x5 programme is to develop a foundation on top of which you can develop whatever you want.

At any rate, the point of 5x5 is that you add weight every workout. So you never stay at the same weight; each time you hit the gym, you do the same / similar routines with an increase in weight. For me, I added 5 lbs to my squats and bench every day at the gym, and 10 lbs to the deadlifts. The minimum short term goal is to reach at least 100 kg (220 lbs) bench, 140 kg squat (308 lbs), and 180 kg (397 lbs) deadlifts, which I think for something like amateur tennis is a bit on the high side.

So I think when you are trying to reach (or surpass) those weights, 5x5 is more than enough. The low reps and long rests inbetween works fine because you will very quickly be lifting far more than your bodyweight. So if you start at 80-85%% of your bodyweight for squats (so let's assume about 150 lbs), then in about two to three months you would be looking to reach 220 lbs 5x5. If you want to do higher reps on those weights, I honestly think you may be better off increasing the weights even more.

Me, I haven't been able to find a gym that I like at my new job. My old job had me OTing until 3 am every day so I had to eventually stop going. My new one has great hours but the gym closest to me charges USD 1500+ per month. So for the time being I just go to my clubhouse, which only has a few machines and a set of dumbbells, so I find myself doing high reps of dumbbell and bodyweight exercises same as you.

 

[dgold44]

Since im bored at work and theres alot of talk about how adults cant get great at tennis compared to young teens, I decided to make a training schedule I think would be a great one for an adult player in order to achieve very high level of tennis comparable to young competitor players.

I talked to a friend today who plays tennis since 5 and is 24 now, she started competing even but injury then stopped her, and I asked her how much tennis she played and trained.. so this schedule is made with that in mind, so its somewhat similar to the play time and all, but a bit less.., when she was telling me and calculating she was suprized herself, thinking about her weekly schedule every day 3h+ how much she actually played if u take 10 years timespan, it really is crazy.

First he should get a good coach and then talk about goals and they should start working on achieving objectives and improving specific shots or stuff.

2nd realize they need a good diet and be fit.

Schedule

Monday
Morning: 1.5h gym strengthening training
Afternoon: 1.5h session with coach

Tuesday
Morning: 1.5h footwork, agility, fitness work
Afternoon: 1.5h session with a similar level player under coach supervision

Wednesday
Morning: 1.5h hitting session with partner
Afternoon: 1.5h point and match play

Thursday
Morning: 1.5h gym strengthening training
Afternoon: 1.5h session with coach

Friday
Morning: 1.5h footwork, agility, fitness work
Afternoon: 1.5h session with a similar level player under coach supervision

Saturday
Morning: 1.5h hitting session with partner
Afternoon: 2h point and match play

Sunday
Rest day

12.5 very quality hours of tennis per week
and 6 hours working on fitness,agility,balance,strength,coordination...etc

Now this is a demanding but very good schedule, someone would improve massively in 1 year with this schedule.

Now realistically adults dont have near enough time to do close to that schedule and it would be extremely expensive.

Average coach charges around 50-60$ per hour for a private lesson in USA i believe?

So in 2 person training sessions both split the price

So thats 225-270$ per week, 900-1080$ per month, and 10.800-12.960$ per year

And thats not taking into account the cost for balls, restringing, tennis courts (somewhere in usa they are pricey while somewhere u can get free public court play), fuel cost, and other expenses.

So becoming a high level tennis player takes a TON of time every day and a TON of money, both are a problem for adults, time is impossible to find so much and money nobody will pay so much for tennis or any other sport its a huge investment for no real return just improving a ton.

Kids have a ton of time and their parents will pay usually for alot of traning, and hoping they are talented enough to make it.

Pretty interesting once you really break it down and think about it, no wonder no adult can come close to compare to competitive 15 year olds,unless someone already went through all that training as a kid.

An adult will just never come CLOSE to closing the massive gap in hours of tennis play.

Are you new to tennis ????

This will lead to massive burnout !!

The only thing you should work on is technique and ball machine

 

[dgold44]

Make sure your coach is good at technique because tennis is all technique

 

[ByakuFubuki]

[...]There is nothing wrong with CrossFit or bodyweight exercises per se when done correctly don't get me wrong, but when you're starting out you really do not need to do anything fancy. A lot of my CrossFit buddies used to post videos of themselves doing elaborate exercises (I saw more than a few swinging pullups) at the instruction of trainers of questionable competence, and yet couldn't do basic things like pushups properly. Then there are CrossFitters I know who do things properly of course, so IMO CrossFit in and of itself clearly isn't an issue, although with the notorious reputation CrossFit has for causing avoidable injuries and glorifying unnecessary / dangerous movements you'd think otherwise. The main thing for most of us is to target the main muscle groups, and target them hard, properly and regularly. If CrossFit or bodyweight exercises can do that for you, then keep doing that until it stops being effective. Of course the option to move to more traditional forms of weightlifting from CrossFit / bodyweight exercises is always available as well.[...]

The problem with many potentially good things (such as CrossFit) is that they require a certain knowledge/experience to be executed and/or taught correctly, and now that thanks to the internet we can access a tremendous amount of information in little time, it's easy for many people to watch a video, notice a few technical elements neglecting others (potentially fundamental) and think they know how it's done. An example we might have a little more experience with is the classical kid who wants to be Rafa and starts hitting the forehand with a totally vertical swing and a forceful finish potentially damaging his shoulder, because when you watch him on TV these aspects tend to overshadow other elements such as the swing actually having a circular element or the finish being a result of the overall motion combined with Nadal's racquet head speed rather than something he does on purpose to create spin and power.

Even worse, one may read stuff instead of watching it, create an image in his/her head which is different from what's described and suddenly think they're a technical guru just because of what they "found out". Not to mention the information itself might come from dubious sources and be taken acritically. Another Professional Tennis-Related example: during my first times as an amatorial player, I sometimes heard of this Federer guy who sounded pretty cool to me, as he "managed to get decently successful using a rather classical and technical playing style which involves slicing the ball and using touch", similar to what I wanted to develop myself, "was the only Top 10 player still using a One-Handed Backhand" like me and "played with a Six.One Tour", which I was interested in. So, I wanted to know more about him (not much Tennis broadcasted where I live unless you have Sky) and got to read on Wikipedia that he "uses the wirst to help himself generating topspin", which sounded off, as from what I knew it had very little benefit and a very high risk of injury, so I thought he either could time it perfectly on every single shot or it was just a wrong impression whoever wrote that bit got from watching him play. I'm pretty sure a lot of people, however, read that page and thought: "Cool, so I can generate topspin without sacrificing the efficiency of a 'classical' swing if I add some force with my wirst".

Having an instructor of discussible competency is unfortunate, but it might happen. That's one of the reasons why it's particularly important to think critically whenever it's possible in my opinion (of course it can't be helped if someone doesn't have the experience required to do so).

I mean, claiming that certain practices are inherently bad because some people get injured from them sounds a lot like saying that science is evil because it's used to create weapons to me.

As a disclaimer, I don't think the internet is a bad thing because it made accessing information easier for common people. What's bad is processing said information superficially, and especially following it up by creating pages on how "doing this will instantly improve your fitness" for easy clicks.

 

[Bender]

The problem with many potentially good things (such as CrossFit) is that they require a certain knowledge/experience to be executed and/or taught correctly, and now that thanks to the internet we can access a tremendous amount of information in little time, it's easy for many people to watch a video, notice a few technical elements neglecting others (potentially fundamental) and think they know how it's done. An example we might have a little more experience with is the classical kid who wants to be Rafa and starts hitting the forehand with a totally vertical swing and a forceful finish potentially damaging his shoulder, because when you watch him on TV these aspects tend to overshadow other elements such as the swing actually having a circular element or the finish being a result of the overall motion combined with Nadal's racquet head speed rather than something he does on purpose to create spin and power.

Even worse, one may read stuff instead of watching it, create an image in his/her head which is different from what's described and suddenly think they're a technical guru just because of what they "found out". Not to mention the information itself might come from dubious sources and be taken acritically. Another Professional Tennis-Related example: during my first times as an amatorial player, I sometimes heard of this Federer guy who sounded pretty cool to me, as he "managed to get decently successful using a rather classical and technical playing style which involves slicing the ball and using touch", similar to what I wanted to develop myself, "was the only Top 10 player still using a One-Handed Backhand" like me and "played with a Six.One Tour", which I was interested in. So, I wanted to know more about him (not much Tennis broadcasted where I live unless you have Sky) and got to read on Wikipedia that he "uses the wirst to help himself generating topspin", which sounded off, as from what I knew it had very little benefit and a very high risk of injury, so I thought he either could time it perfectly on every single shot or it was just a wrong impression whoever wrote that bit got from watching him play. I'm pretty sure a lot of people, however, read that page and thought: "Cool, so I can generate topspin without sacrificing the efficiency of a 'classical' swing if I add some force with my wirst".

Having an instructor of discussible competency is unfortunate, but it might happen. That's one of the reasons why it's particularly important to think critically whenever it's possible in my opinion (of course it can't be helped if someone doesn't have the experience required to do so).

I mean, claiming that certain practices are inherently bad because some people get injured from them sounds a lot like saying that science is evil because it's used to create weapons to me.

As a disclaimer, I don't think the internet is a bad thing because it made accessing information easier for common people. What's bad is processing said information superficially, and especially following it up by creating pages on how "doing this will instantly improve your fitness" for easy clicks.

Good thing I didn't argue that CrossFit itself is bad, just that there are many bad apples giving it a bad name and that if done correctly, I fail to see anything wrong with CrossFit.

There are other people in the amateur and even pro weightlifting community of course that like to blast CrossFit. The rationale for many of them is quite similar to mine, although they take it a step further and claim that if the certification process is as easy as getting a fake degree in Nigeria, then it's not a step too far to consider CrossFit as a whole as being bad. They also mistake the stereotype of CrossFitters--ie being ignorant in proper form and mixing + matching various workouts without consideration for safety or the underlying point of those exercises, to the point that they have become memes--as being representative of CrossFit as a whole, which I disagree with but found hilarious anyway:

As I mentioned, the underlying principles of CrossFit as I understand it are fine, it's the large number of bandwagoners who won't stop talking about how they do CrossFit that give it the reputation it has. Not that tlm is one of those guys; the thread literally asked for suggestions on workout routines--we just happen to have differing views. He's suggesting a more general workout that boosts athleticism and strength, whereas I'm suggesting something that grows strength, explosiveness, and muscle mass in the shortest span of time.

Neither are wrong, IMO. His suggestion is more balanced, whereas mine will yield the largest gains but may need supplementary exercises.

 

[tlm]

Good thing I didn't argue that CrossFit itself is bad, just that there are many bad apples giving it a bad name and that if done correctly, I fail to see anything wrong with CrossFit.

There are other people in the amateur and even pro weightlifting community of course that like to blast CrossFit. The rationale for many of them is quite similar to mine, although they take it a step further and claim that if the certification process is as easy as getting a fake degree in Nigeria, then it's not a step too far to consider CrossFit as a whole as being bad. They also mistake the stereotype of CrossFitters--ie being ignorant in proper form and mixing + matching various workouts without consideration for safety or the underlying point of those exercises, to the point that they have become memes--as being representative of CrossFit as a whole, which I disagree with but found hilarious anyway:

As I mentioned, the underlying principles of CrossFit as I understand it are fine, it's the large number of bandwagoners who won't stop talking about how they do CrossFit that give it the reputation it has. Not that tlm is one of those guys; the thread literally asked for suggestions on workout routines--we just happen to have differing views. He's suggesting a more general workout that boosts athleticism and strength, whereas I'm suggesting something that grows strength, explosiveness, and muscle mass in the shortest span of time.

Neither are wrong, IMO. His suggestion is more balanced, whereas mine will yield the largest gains but may need supplementary exercises.

Wow those videos are scary. I agree with your workout suggestions if someone wants to make more strength and muscle gains. I followed similar workout style in my younger days when I wanted to gain strength and muscle. But I feel most tennis players just want to improve their overall fitness for tennis. So with limited time I feel CrossFit or tabata style training is a good way to go.

 

[tlm]

Here is a video of some rally practice. I’m in the near court, now I know I’m not a very good tennis player. But I am 60 years old in this clip which I think proves that my training methods are pretty effective.

 

[OnTheLine]

Okay this thread popped up at just the right time. I had personally been considering creating a mini "tennis camp" for myself in some way to get over my current state of affairs.

Had been really pleased with my improvements since coming back to tennis about 18 months ago. Until the past few weeks. I am a little frustrated with myself.

Do not feel a need for any new shot or capability per se. From my self-evaluation boils down to:

• Better consistency
• Better mental focus (seriously, how can I be up 40-0 and let the game go to deuce over and over again? Answer: mental focus , lack of consistency and lots of poor choices in shot selection)

@FiReFTW if you are bored at work again, put together a schedule for me to fix the above.

Caveats ...
near 50 year old, have a job and a family.
Can play/work out max 2-1/2 hours a day max 5 days a week (prefer 4).
Max weekly budget of $150 (pro costs $75/hour) Can get a partner to split costs some, consider courts/balls, etc. free
little/no access to a ball machine.
At this time, mental issue cannot be fixed with a lobotomy, insurance doesn't cover elective surgeries.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Here's mine (to be repeated on alternate days):

Morning: Watch sureshs tennis video on loop for 2 hours
Afternoon: Re-read TTPS tennis threads for 4 hours
Evening: Warmup forehand and backhand winners for 1 min from the baseline, then play mixed doubles
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW complaining about how I lost to two 3.0 women in doubles because I'm not improving, and that my fictional / nonexistent coach is a waste of money compared to online instruction

MorningComplain that his video was recorded with a pinhole camera during a thunderstorm, and does not meet the minimum recording quality of 4K @ 240 fps in direct sunlight.

In TTW fashion I would like to argue the nuance technical data here and point out the inaccuracy of your cheeky humor by bringing up that no players here are recording at 4k 240fps. Now lets get on to 10 pages of useless, non-practical or actionable discussion of video.



Probably posting from the court between sets.

 

[TennisDawg]

Here's mine (to be repeated on alternate days):

Morning: Watch sureshs tennis video on loop for 2 hours
Afternoon: Re-read TTPS tennis threads for 4 hours
Evening: Warmup forehand and backhand winners for 1 min from the baseline, then play mixed doubles
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW complaining about how I lost to two 3.0 women in doubles because I'm not improving, and that my fictional / nonexistent coach is a waste of money compared to online instruction

Morning: Give advice to a 5.0 player that his strokes have technical issues and use too much arm. Complain that his video was recorded with a pinhole camera during a thunderstorm, and does not meet the minimum recording quality of 4K @ 240 fps in direct sunlight.
Afternoon: Debate with @ByeByePoly on the what the role of the pinky finger on the dominant hand should be when bouncing the ball before a serve, then accuse @JohnYandell that he doesn't know what he's talking about because of a Roger Federer warmup video I watched two years ago.
Evening: Warmup aces down the T for 1 minute from the service line, then play mixed doubles again
Late Night: Start new thread on TTW about the role of the pec stretch, ISR, ESR, and wrist snap on the serve, and how it improved my serve so much so suddenly that my usual opponents were unable to return it that one and only time I hit it in over two sets. Do not mention the DF or 1st serve % stats, or the fact that my opponents were middle aged women.

When raining: Do one set of bicep curls for 5 minutes (if necessary, add a 1 minute TTW / Reddit break between each rep). Make sure you use correct form, and swing the dumbbell forward and back using the weight of the dumbbell to your advantage. Drink your post-workout chocolate fudge milkshake that you had delivered from McDonald's. Whey and casein are milk extracts so there's no big difference; they're all just big pharma trying to rob you of your money. Go on TTW again and accuse Nadal of using steroids because despite your efforts, your biceps haven't grown that big, meaning that it is impossible to get biceps that big.

Lol, that’s very funny. You nailed that one.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Good thing I didn't argue that CrossFit itself is bad, just that there are many bad apples giving it a bad name and that if done correctly, I fail to see anything wrong with CrossFit.

There are other people in the amateur and even pro weightlifting community of course that like to blast CrossFit. The rationale for many of them is quite similar to mine, although they take it a step further and claim that if the certification process is as easy as getting a fake degree in Nigeria, then it's not a step too far to consider CrossFit as a whole as being bad. They also mistake the stereotype of CrossFitters--ie being ignorant in proper form and mixing + matching various workouts without consideration for safety or the underlying point of those exercises, to the point that they have become memes--as being representative of CrossFit as a whole, which I disagree with but found hilarious anyway:

As I mentioned, the underlying principles of CrossFit as I understand it are fine, it's the large number of bandwagoners who won't stop talking about how they do CrossFit that give it the reputation it has. Not that tlm is one of those guys; the thread literally asked for suggestions on workout routines--we just happen to have differing views. He's suggesting a more general workout that boosts athleticism and strength, whereas I'm suggesting something that grows strength, explosiveness, and muscle mass in the shortest span of time.

Neither are wrong, IMO. His suggestion is more balanced, whereas mine will yield the largest gains but may need supplementary exercises.

Thanks for posting those!

There are really 2 CrossFits - the one that introduces one to new movements to provide new challenges and reduce the chance of burnout. Then there’s the Made for TV abomination that turns it into a competition where any semblance of technique is out the window and the chance of injury is ratcheted up 10,000%. The person who came up with that idea and the ESPN exec who decided to televise it should get the death penalty.

OP, 90 minutes of lifting? I get it done in less than 30 including stretching before. I lifted a lot more when younger for other sports, so more maintenance.

I’ll also vote against squats. Running on a soft surface to protect the knees.

 

[Hmgraphite1]

Here is a video of some rally practice. I’m in the near court, now I know I’m not a very good tennis player. But I am 60 years old in this clip which I think proves that my training methods are pretty effective.

You really mix it up, good tennis, I got try hitting some massive topspin high bouncers like those. You must be a clay monster. Good vid

 

[tlm]

You really mix it up, good tennis, I got try hitting some massive topspin high bouncers like those. You must be a clay monster. Good vid

My game is meant for clay but unfortunately there are not many clay courts in my area.

 

[FiReFTW]

My game is meant for clay but unfortunately there are not many clay courts in my area.

That sucks, bad for you!

Here 95% of courts are clay.

But I dislike it the most,I prefer faster courts haha.

 

[Hmgraphite1]

Time for airbnb, tlm to eeurope fireftw to namerica

 

[FiReFTW]

Time for airbnb, tlm to eeurope fireftw to namerica

Yay lets do it.
Florida or Cali please.

 

[Hmgraphite1]

Yay lets do it.
Florida or Cali please.

Its 85 degrees here, ny, what about where you are?

 

[FiReFTW]

Its 85 degrees here, ny, what about where you are?

66, its 4am.

During the day around 80-85 at the moment, summer slowly starting.

We have about 6 months of very warm weather and maybe 2-3 months of a bit colder like 55-65 degrees and 3-4 months of winter where its anywhere from around 50 to 5 degrees usually...which sucks since i hate cold.

 

[tlm]

That sucks, bad for you!

Here 95% of courts are clay.

But I dislike it the most,I prefer faster courts haha.

I would be happy to swap courts with you. I like hardcourts but with the extra time that clay gives and the way my spin reacts I would be a much better clay court player.

 

[FiReFTW]

I would be happy to swap courts with you. I like hardcourts but with the extra time that clay gives and the way my spin reacts I would be a much better clay court player.

I know, you would be a beast on clay!

I lile to play on all courts (Clay, Hard, Indoors carpet) and its cool and fun since they are all different playing and bounce, speed etc is all different, so I enjoy all from time to time.

But I do play my best on faster courts with a not so high bounce.

 

[J011yroger]

Its 85 degrees here, ny, what about where you are?

It was cold as heck in my part of NY today!

J

 

[tlm]

I know, you would be a beast on clay!

I lile to play on all courts (Clay, Hard, Indoors carpet) and its cool and fun since they are all different playing and bounce, speed etc is all different, so I enjoy all from time to time.

But I do play my best on faster courts with a not so high bounce.

Well that’s good that you get to play on different surfaces. But I can see your game being better on hard courts, you like to go for it and hit through the court.