Analysis: The Big Three h2h in slams

[donquijote]

Federer played 5 F/SF against Nadal in FO and 3 in AO. (slow courts)
Whereas Nadal made 3 F/SF in W and zero (0) F/SF in USO against Federer. (faster courts)
Federer looks more successful on slow courts than Nadal is on faster surfaces.
It's not Federer's fault that Nadal couldn't make to F/SF on faster court GSs more often.

 

[Fiero425]

Federer played 5 F/SF against Nadal in FO and 3 in AO. (slow courts)
Whereas Nadal made 3 F/SF in W and zero (0) F/SF in USO against Federer. (faster courts)
Federer looks more successful on slow courts than Nadal is on faster surfaces.
It's not Federer's fault that Nadal couldn't make to F/SF on faster court GSs more often.

Nadal was usually burned out by the summer, save those 2 seasons ('10 & '13) Masters & USO's; hence no WTF's! He just works too hard and has one of the most broken careers at #1 outside of Agassi of course!

 

[Tenez!]

As I've been saying, players like Connors in the past and Roger now, hurt their legacy and overall record on court when they "hang on" much, much too long!

Only to lazy bums who enjoy criticising the legacy of remarkable players rather than having a swing and seeing how hard they've worked to get there.
Stats mean squat to top players in-match.

 

[Fiero425]

Only to lazy bums who enjoy criticising the legacy of remarkable players rather than having a swing and seeing how hard they've worked to get there.
Stats mean squat to top players in-match.

No question about it!

 

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[MLRoy]

The cherry-picking here is strong.

Yes, it is. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[MLRoy]

Ah, the typical slam h2h argument from the Nadal fanatic. Like we haven't seen this a million times.

And STILL no defense against it other than "French Open... clay... blah, blah".

 

[Fiero425]

And STILL no defense against it other than "French Open... clay... blah, blah".

I'll be the first to say it hurts Roger's legacy being so dominated by another player! It took a while longer for Nole to catch up and pass him, but that's what happens when you hang around a little too long! Laver has a few items on his resume that also question his domination, but after all's said and done, Roger's 17 majors will still reign supreme until someone catches up to him! If just 1 or 2 behind, I'd have to put Nole and Rafa ahead of him, but for now Federer's the true GOAT!

 

[Chadillac]

Who leads the tour for most weeks #2?

 

[Steve0904]

And STILL no defense against it other than "French Open... clay... blah, blah".

Well I guess if Federer's career has holes then everybody else has more and bigger ones in their careers.

 

[Jaitock1991]

Too bad tennis isnt about H2H, and your post proves exactly that. If Federer had lost in earlier rounds at all those FO's and 3 Aussie's, that would make him stronger, because his H2H vs Nadal would be better?!? The logic is; its better to go out in R2 or R3 than in SF or final, because your H2H would be better? The absurdity of that statement is . As i have said a lot of times; it isnt Federer's fault that Nadal only reached far enough to meet him once on HC in Feds prime 2003-2010. On grass its 2-1 H2H and 7-2 in titles. On clay Rafa is the king

Fed would have basically had to be worse in order to be greater. Quite a logic I must say.

 

[Jaitock1991]

Nadal stats are ridiculously skewed by his tendency to lose early when he wasn't playing well and his total domination on clay. The only notable thing is that he's 3-0 vs Fed on Aussie Open, of which only in 2009 Fed was playing very good tennis. Off RG, Nadal leads Fed 4-2, and off RG, he's 3-3 vs Djokovic.

Fed comes out so badly because most of the matches here are way after his peak, even though he could still be competitive.

I agree. But in all fairness, Fed was indeed playing some REALLY good tennis in 2012 AO as well.

 

[metsman]

I agree. But in all fairness, Fed was indeed playing some REALLY good tennis in 2012 AO as well.

he was but at those respective stages of their career in a B05 on a very slow outdoor court Nadal is a clear favorite. The 09 AO match is the only 1 of the 3 that meant anything (and what it means it that Nadal was in Federer's head big time).