Analyzing the Men’s Wimbledon Contenders

Jack the Hack

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Grass is such a rare surface on the pro tour, it is hard to see trends based on previous results. However, I have put together a list of the top 10 players (based on current Entry List rankings), their previous grass results, and their bookmaker odds (according to betdirect.com). Also, in italics, I have added my personal comments. Here you go:

Roger Federer: 43-12 lifetime grass record, 24-0 since 2003, two-time defending Wimbledon champion. 4/6 Odds.

With a good serve, excellent all-court game, and consistant return, Federer is the perfect player for grass. Still stung by his loss at the French Open, he will likely be looking for revenge… and the opportunity to show he is still the boss.

Lleyton Hewitt: 61-15 lifetime grass record, 12-4 since 2003, 2002 Wimbledon champion. 7/1 Odds.

Hewitt is an excellent competitor on grass, as his lifetime record on the surface and Wimbledon championship show. However, the extent of his rib injury and his focus since learning he is to become a father raise serious questions about whether he will be ready to contend for Wimbledon this year.

Rafael Nadal: 2-1 lifetime grass record (3rd round of ’03 Wimbledon) 10/1 Odds

Obviously, after winning 4 tournaments in a row including his first Grand Slam, Nadal has got to be very confident. However, his extreme grips and penchant for playing deep in the backcourt would seem to be a heavy liability on grass. All of Nadal’s tournament wins have been on clay, but at least he has an excellent attitude about playing Wimbledon - unlike other dirt ballers of the past, like Muster, Costa, and Bruguera (who skipped Wimbledon after winning the French). Nadal is an excellent athlete, and his speed and defensive capabilities are too good for him not to win a few rounds. However, he is not ready to contend at Wimbledon this year.

Andy Roddick: 30-7 lifetime grass record, 21-2 since 2003, 2004 Wimbledon finalist. 6/1 Odds.

Other than his return of serve, Roddick has an excellent game on grass. His huge serve, forehand, and newfound aggressiveness at the net should help him live up to at least his top 4 seeding.

Marat Safin: 9-10 lifetime grass record, 0-2 since 2003, 2001 Wimbledon quarterfinalist. 25/1 Odds.

With his huge serve, strong return, and quick hands, it would seem like Safin should make it to the second week at Wimbledon. However, other than a quarterfinal run in ’01, his results have been pretty unspectacular on grass. A good draw and good attitude could help him advance, but it would be an upset if he won.

Andre Agassi: 48-16 lifetime grass record, 6-3 since 2003, Wimbledon champ in ’92. 66/1 Odds.

Andre still has the return of serve and quickness to compete well at Wimbledon. However, his recent back issues are very troublesome… how has he recovered since the French disappointment? If he is healthy and gets a good draw, he has an outside chance… and that’s what is seemingly keeping him around the game still.

Nikolay Davydenko: 0-7 lifetime record on grass. No bookmaker odds (worse than a 250/1 chance).

Davydenko has been playing well enough to get into the top 10, but it would be an accomplishment just to win his first career match on grass!

Guillermo Canas: 16-12 lifetime grass record, 1-2 since 2003. 200/1 Odds.

Canas made the finals of a grass court tournament in the Netherlands back in ’01. However, that seems to have been a fluke. He could win a couple matches, but will not be around by the second week.

Tim Henman: 82-31 lifetime record on grass, 11-3 since 2003. 12/1 Odds.

Henman has made the semifinals several times, and with a good draw, could get there again. He has a good grass court game, but would need a lot of luck to win. A sentimental favorite if he ever got to the final.

Joachim Johansson: 7-5 lifetime record on grass, all since 2003. 25/1 Odds.

Johansson has an enormous serve that could propel him to the 4th round like last year. However, there are holes in his game – most notably the backhand, volley, and return of serve – that would keep him from being a serious contender. Also, he withdrew from the French Open with an elbow injury, so his health is remains questionable.

Notable Dark Horses

David Nalbandian: 9-3 lifetime grass record, 3-1 since 2003, ’02 Wimbledon finalist. 33/1 Odds

Nalbandian has a game similar to Hewitt and can play well. However, he has been inconsistant this year and has been dealing with the death of his father. He could make a run into the second week with a good draw, but it is not likely.

Sebastian Grosjean: 35-15 lifetime record on grass, 19-5 since 2003, two time Wimbledon semifinalist. 50-1 Odds.

Grosjean is ranked 21st, but has made the semifinals of the past two Wimbledons. Like Nalbandian, he has a game similar to Hewitt. With another good draw, he could make it into the second week again, but it’s hard to see him winning it.

Mario Ancic: 16-10 lifetime record on grass, 12-7 since 2003, surprising Wimbledon semifinalist last year. 14-1 Odds.

Ancic was beaten in the 1st round of Wimbledon in ’03 by a 17 year old Rafael Nadal, but surprisingly made the semifinals last year. He has a nice game for grass, but I think his odds are set way too high. He will need a good draw to repeat a second week run this year.

Richard Gasquet: 0-3 lifetime record on grass. No bookmaker odds (worse than a 250/1 chance).

I included Gasquet because he is a talented up and comer with a game similar to Federer, and several people in this forum are fans. Gasquet had yet to make it past the 1st round in a Grand Slam before he finally made it to the 3rd round at the French this year. I would expect him to win a match or two at Wimbledon this year, but do not expect him to reach the second week or be a contender this year.

I think there are only a handful of players that are capable of winning this year… and Federer and Roddick stand out the most. I am looking forward to the tune-up events to see what kind of form Hewitt and Johansson are in after their injuries (and Agassi, if he plays in one). Also, it should be interesting to see how Nadal fares on grass.

Now that you've seen the breakdown... discuss! :D
 
Jack pls refer to my thread "Safin injury worry", it looks like the big russian may pull out of Wimbledon.

I cant believe you have not included Ljubicic as a potential darkhouse. He has a big serve and volley game. He also has a very effective one handed backhand slice. I am sure he can translate hes hard court sucess earlier this year onto the grass.

One of my real picks, would be R.Stephanek. He is a true serve/volleyer that has been having an exceptional yr and troubled Nadal on the clay with hes uncannny style of play. Has very good hands and moves better then other serve/volleyers like T.dent, Arthurs and Karlovic.

I also expect IVO to win more then a few tie breaks and possibly make it to the second week at Wimby. He's serve can be unreturnable at times, and he has good grass court pedigree (def Hewitt 2 yrs ago).
 
I know that there have already been discussions about Federer eclipsing Sampras in terms of greatness, but do you guys feel he has the S&V game strong enough to win as many wimbys as Sampras did? Seems like Federer's serve is not nearly as good as Sampras's and I was thinking this might be the suspect part of the equation for long term success at wimbledon.

On to the original post, I think that Federer definetly is the favorite to win. Unless he has a mental hiccup, he should win it. Another Roddick-Federer final would be fun to watch. I'd like to also see Dent finally do some real damage along with Henman making it past the quarters for once.
 
I can't help think Federer's enjoying field that is probably much weaker than
90's and 80's. This breed of power serve and volleyers(Becker,Stich,Krajicek
Edberg, Ivanisvich, Sampras) of 90's has suddenly either extincted or in the
process of retiring. I guess it's an advantage Federer being an all court player.

I'm going on a limb and I'd say Ancic, Gasquet (or even Johansson) are only
players who can beat Federer at Wimbledon next couple of years (or new
up and coming players with similar style).

Federer's unusually talented but I just think Wimbledon belongs to a player
who can do power serve and volley.
Federer is not exactly this type.
Champions like McAnroe-Cash-Edberg-Becker-Stich=Sampras=Krajicek-
Ivanisvish and so on...
Have Serve-and-Volleyers really died ???
 
I like Joachim, Roddick and Ancic. I think Nadal's performance will be similar to Ferrero's from a couple years ago.
 
Great post jack
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i fancy ancic or Johannson to surprise, but really can't see past Federer.
 
Ancic gave Federer a pretty close match at their last meeting
(at Miami or Cincinnatti?). Federer struggled a lot with Ancic's serves
and Ancic returned Federer's 2nd serve pretty handily.
And it's was on a hard court.
 
I cant believe you have not included Ljubicic as a potential darkhouse. He has a big serve and volley game. He also has a very effective one handed backhand slice. I am sure he can translate hes hard court sucess earlier this year onto the grass.

gugafanatic,

According to the ATP records, Ljubicic has a 5-11 lifetime record on grass, 2-4 since 2003. Ironically however, the oddsmakers have Ljubucic at 33/1 odds, the same as Nalbandian. I have to attribute this to his solid play earlier this year, and his game style as you suggest.

I did see your thread about Safin, and this is what he was quoted as saying about his knee after the first round in Halle:

On how it felt to win on grass after so long:

"Pretty good. Well, for the first match it was quite ok. I wasn't able to practice the week before, just because I have problems with my knee. It's really tough and it's really painful when you're standing on the court, or especially when you're doing some fitness or no matter what you do. It was just very painful to serve and to move on the sides. So I want to take a couple of days rest, take some medication and have some treatment. I came yesterday, stood on the court for only one hour yesterday and for half an hour today – therefore it was ok. "

It sounds like the knee might be reasonable for now, but I would have to wonder how it is going to hold up over two weeks at Wimbledon. At least the grass is not as hard on your legs as a hard court... but it would be a shame if Safin had to withdraw.

Thank you for mentioning other players like Ljubicic, Stepanek, and Karlovich... I was hoping for others to join into the analysis and add thoughts either on the favorites or other potential dark horses! :D
 
Ancic gave Federer a pretty close match at their last meeting (at Miami or Cincinnatti?). Federer struggled a lot with Ancic's serves
and Ancic returned Federer's 2nd serve pretty handily.
And it's was on a hard court.

fastdunn,

You are correct that Ancic can give Fed some issues. If you take a look back a few years ago, Ancic actually beat Federer in straight sets in the 1st round of Wimbledon in 2002! (But he followed it up with a straight set loss to Jan Vacek... and lost to Nadal in the 1st round of '03.) On any given day, there are probably a dozen players that are capable of beating Federer, but they will have their work cut out for them. An upset like that would sure open up the tournament though, wouldn't it?!?

I can't help think Federer's enjoying field that is probably much weaker than the 90's and 80's. This breed of power serve and volleyers(Becker,Stich,Krajicek, Edberg, Ivanisvich, Sampras) of 90's has suddenly either extincted or in the process of retiring. I guess it's an advantage Federer being an all court player.

I really have to agree with you on this one. When I was doing my analysis of the grass court records, I was quickly coming to the conclusion that there were only a handful of "real" contenders... players that had actually performed well on the surface in the past. This list is basically Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, Agassi, Henman, and Grosjean... and only Henman is a true serve and volleyer. The up and coming players of the moment (Nadal, Gasquet, and Monfils) are do not come to the net very often at this point in their careers, so there definitely is a void... which Federer is taking advantage of quite well.
 
How about Grosjean? He's put up some nice results at Wimbledon lately.

Yep... he's made the semifinals the past two years.

(If you re-read my original post, you'll see Grosjean in my list of dark horse favorites... he has the best grass court record of all of the players outside the top 10. :) )
 
fastdunn said:
Ancic gave Federer a pretty close match at their last meeting
(at Miami or Cincinnatti?). Federer struggled a lot with Ancic's serves
and Ancic returned Federer's 2nd serve pretty handily.
And it's was on a hard court.

but that isn't on grass when Federer wants a third straight wimby crown!
 
Ancic's limiting factors are movement and strategy. I believe he should chip&charge more and force certain players to to hit passing shots to save break points. The whole strategy would be a complete shock to most players and would force errors if implamented properly. Unnlike some other players, I don't think he needs a lucky draw, all he needs to do is execute.
 
If you included qualifying draws, Gasquet would have a 3-3 lifetime record on grass, because he qualified for Wimbledon last year and won a best of 5 set match in the final round of qualifying. If you count his win over Tipseravic today, then it would be 4-3.

Some other dark horses are:
Alexander Popp (two time quarterfinalist)
Xavier Malisse (semifinalist in 2002)
Taylor Dent (Solid serve and volleyer, has defeated Nalbandian, Hewitt and Safin all in straight sets this year and has huge serve)
 
If you included qualifying draws, Gasquet would have a 3-3 lifetime record on grass, because he qualified for Wimbledon last year and won a best of 5 set match in the final round of qualifying. If you count his win over Tipseravic today, then it would be 4-3.

Good point Grinder! Unfortunately, the ATP website shows a player's challenger results, but does not include anything from tournament qualifying rounds.
 
Kobble said:
Ancic's limiting factors are movement and strategy. I believe he should chip&charge more and force certain players to to hit passing shots to save break points. The whole strategy would be a complete shock to most players and would force errors if implamented properly. Unnlike some other players, I don't think he needs a lucky draw, all he needs to do is execute.

Good points but he appears as confused as "would-be" or "could_be"
S&Ver of current tour. When I first saw him, he S&Ved much more
and chip&charges more to beat Federer in straight sets at WImbledon 2002.
Now he looks like he want to transition to a baseliner.
Same goes to some other S&Ver of a few years ago....
 
fastdunn said:
I can't help think Federer's enjoying field that is probably much weaker than
90's and 80's. This breed of power serve and volleyers(Becker,Stich,Krajicek
Edberg, Ivanisvich, Sampras) of 90's has suddenly either extincted or in the
process of retiring. I guess it's an advantage Federer being an all court player.

I'm going on a limb and I'd say Ancic, Gasquet (or even Johansson) are only
players who can beat Federer at Wimbledon next couple of years (or new
up and coming players with similar style).

Federer's unusually talented but I just think Wimbledon belongs to a player
who can do power serve and volley.
Federer is not exactly this type.
Champions like McAnroe-Cash-Edberg-Becker-Stich=Sampras=Krajicek-
Ivanisvish and so on...
Have Serve-and-Volleyers really died ???

The grass court at W has changed dramatically in the last a few years, slower, bounce higher. Just look at Tim Henman, who used to serve and volley on almost every point at W in 90s, now he even served and stayed back on some of his girst serves, about less than half of the time served and volleyed on second serve. He complained openly about the slowness of W grass that put serve and volley at disadvantage.

Federer served and volleyed on almost every point when he played against Sampras when the grass then was still fast. Now he doesn't serve and volley that much at W.
 
fastdunn said:
Good points but he appears as confused as "would-be" or "could_be"
S&Ver of current tour. When I first saw him, he S&Ved much more
and chip&charges more to beat Federer in straight sets at WImbledon 2002.
Now he looks like he want to transition to a baseliner.
Same goes to some other S&Ver of a few years ago....

That has a lot to do with the general slow down of hard and grass courts on ATP. Except US Open and Aus Open which speeded up in the last a few years, the rest of courts on tour have moved to slow-it-down direction to have more "rallies".
 
BERDI4 said:
I heard that this year at W they are going to make the courts faster. Don't know if it's true.

The ball will be faster because they are going to open the new balls on court instead of two weeks before the tournaments. There is a huge difference between newly open balls and balls sitting on the shell in open air for a while.
 
The ball will be faster because they are going to open the new balls on court instead of two weeks before the tournaments. There is a huge difference between newly open balls and balls sitting on the shell in open air for a while.

The "two weeks" out of the can comment from Henman was a ridiculous exaggeration. Another poster (tiamat) in another thread provided this link http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakin...5033597,00.html, which had the real story:

On Thursday Wimbledon chief executive Chris Gorringe said:

"More recently, we discussed the practice of opening the cans of balls a short time ahead of the matches. This practice has been carried out for over 10 years and was certainly not a couple of weeks in advance, as has been suggested. Although we have continually been advised by (manufacturer) Slazenger that this not would make any difference to the balls' playing properties, we had nevertheless decided in April this year that we would adopt the policy of opening the cans of new balls on court."


The Wimbledon officials were opening the cans on the day of the match a few minutes before the players went out instead of right on court as they were starting to warm up. This whole thing was a big non-controversy and Henman was pretty lame to even bring this out to the media.
 
Jack the Hack said:
The "two weeks" out of the can comment from Henman was a ridiculous exaggeration. Another poster (tiamat) in another thread provided this link http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakin...5033597,00.html, which had the real story:

On Thursday Wimbledon chief executive Chris Gorringe said:

"More recently, we discussed the practice of opening the cans of balls a short time ahead of the matches. This practice has been carried out for over 10 years and was certainly not a couple of weeks in advance, as has been suggested. Although we have continually been advised by (manufacturer) Slazenger that this not would make any difference to the balls' playing properties, we had nevertheless decided in April this year that we would adopt the policy of opening the cans of new balls on court."


The Wimbledon officials were opening the cans on the day of the match a few minutes before the players went out instead of right on court as they were starting to warm up. This whole thing was a big non-controversy and Henman was pretty lame to even bring this out to the media.

Henman was just frustrated Wimdledon grass has been so slow, just like Hewitt did with the slowness of Australia Open early this year even though Aus Open has speeded up a notch.

Wimbledon has been using balls with lower pressure to slow down the game.
 
Jack the Hack said:
The "two weeks" out of the can comment from Henman was a ridiculous exaggeration. Another poster (tiamat) in another thread provided this link http://sport.guardian.co.uk/breakin...5033597,00.html, which had the real story:

On Thursday Wimbledon chief executive Chris Gorringe said:

"More recently, we discussed the practice of opening the cans of balls a short time ahead of the matches. This practice has been carried out for over 10 years and was certainly not a couple of weeks in advance, as has been suggested. Although we have continually been advised by (manufacturer) Slazenger that this not would make any difference to the balls' playing properties, we had nevertheless decided in April this year that we would adopt the policy of opening the cans of new balls on court."


The Wimbledon officials were opening the cans on the day of the match a few minutes before the players went out instead of right on court as they were starting to warm up. This whole thing was a big non-controversy and Henman was pretty lame to even bring this out to the media.

As I recall, Henman was quoting what ****enzer said to him,
I thought.

Wimbledon official's quote is not clear to me on when they
actually open the can...
 
fastdunn said:
As I recall, Henman was quoting what ****enzer said to him,
I thought.

Wimbledon official's quote is not clear to me on when they
actually open the can...

Agree. Wimbledon never came out stating when they actually openned the can. OK, it was not two weeks before, then when?
 
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