Andy Murray ‘needs that winning mentality back’ after losing streak - Guardian

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As the US Open looms, the Scot is battling a virus that has infected his game since surgery: losing from winning positions

It is nearly a year since Andy Murray took the biggest gamble of his career, although he does not see the back surgery he underwent in quite such stark terms; it does not do to stir old demons.

On the eve of the US Open, however, Murray faces another, altogether more straightforward challenge, to the spirit rather than the body – and that is rediscovering the intensity and verve that drove him to his breakthrough victory at Flushing Meadows two years ago and carried him to the next peak: that momentous Wimbledon win in July 2013.

Since beating Novak Djokovic in a final of unimaginable intensity and drama, he has not so much drowned as trod water. There have been no titles to celebrate, he has tumbled from No2 in the world to No9 and he has lost 14 of 54 matches, as well as the coach who ignited his tennis. Ivan Lendl’s departure in March was by some way a bigger loss than any he suffered on the court (and it has not been a total disaster on the Tour; he has been in two semi‑finals this year and nine quarter-finals).

He is struggling now, though, with a new and puzzling virus that has infected his game: losing from winning positions. It happened again in Mason, Ohio, last week when Roger Federer overhauled a 4-1 deficit in the second set to put Murray out in the quarter‑finals of the Western & Southern Open. That dispiriting experience followed a similar collapse against Jo-Wilfried Tsonga at the same stage of the Rogers Cup in Toronto the previous week – and both echoed his defeat by Rafael Nadal in Rome in May, when he played one of the best sets of his career only to lose from 4-2 up in the third.

The question he and everyone else is asking is: why? Murray is not sure but he is working on it – which sounds like something your local mechanic might tell you if you brought in an old banger on its last legs. The Scot is hardly in that shape but he is concerned.

“I feel good,” he says as we chat on the players’ balcony in Mason. “I feel well, I have practised well. I just need to get that winning mentality back. Last week [losing to Tsonga] I messed the match up a bit.” As Murray sees it: “Guys can come back. That can always happen. When you’re playing against a guy as good as Tsonga, he can always come back. He’s a streaky player as well.”

That “as well” sounded as if Murray was including himself in that category. “But from that position, you don’t want to be losing four games in a row,” he adds. “It’s OK to lose one or two, but not four. That’s something I’ll have to keep an eye on.”

However, in the press conference after losing to Federer – when the virus struck again – Murray was decidedly more downbeat. “It was pretty poor,” he had to admit.

This was becoming a habit, a worrying one. Earlier in his career, Murray suffered from mood and form swings but that inconsistency looked to have been conquered in the two years he was with Lendl. Could the blow of losing his inspiring coach be hurting still – and could Lendl’s successor, Amélie Mauresmo, repair the damage?

At the mention of the Frenchwoman’s name, Murray’s face lights up again and he remains aware that the novelty of the arrangement has not quite faded. “There’s a very big difference in personality, that’s for sure,” he says. “In the work we do before, she’s very demanding. When we’re on the court, she’s very precise. With Ivan, he liked volume, in terms of time spent on the practice court.

“But when I was in Miami with Amélie just now, it was about making sure that the work I was doing was quality. I was still spending a good time on the court but what is important is to be able to play with the intensity that you need to be able to play in matches. It’s not worth being on the court for three and a half, four hours if you’re going at 70 to 80% because when you arrive at the match you need to be intense from the first point to the last. So that’s one of the differences.”

Murray occasionally hits with Mauresmo – and that scenario is rare on the circuit. Most men like to be pushed hard in training or warm-ups against a physical hitting partner. But Murray likes to work on the subtleties as well: “She warmed me up for my matches [in Canada]. I hit with her once in Miami, once at Wimbledon. Obviously if that was my only way of preparing, it wouldn’t be the best. But if I need to do some drills and she’s in one corner, she’s got pretty good control of the ball.”

He revealed that the perceived agonising over the extension of their agreement was not accurate. And the supposed rift in the camp – when his long-time friend and training partner, Dani Vallverdu, was briefly miffed at not being consulted – soon healed. They are a happy team.

“We decided the day after Wimbledon [to formalise their grasscourt trial],” Murray says. “When I spoke to her before the French Open, I said: ‘This is what I want, this is how much time I’m going to need.’ She was thinking about it, if she wanted to commit that much time or not. There would have been no point in saying: ‘Yeah, let’s commit to 25 weeks,’ and after two weeks we hate it. So we said: ‘Why don’t we see how it goes and then decide after that?’ Then we sat down and had a chat the day after and [agreed] it had worked well with me and the team. And that was it.”

As well as getting on personally, Murray and Mauresmo also discovered they shared the same views on how to play the game – because there are innumerable views on the subject in an era where the new gym-bred physicality has both made and broken several players. The search now is for a new or perhaps already tested method of winning.

“It’s similar in a lot of ways in terms of trying to be aggressive, trying to move forward, get up to the net when you can – which I did well [beating João Sousa and John Isner],” Murray explains. “I won almost all of the points when I came to the net. So that’s something that we’ve been working on in Miami.

“And the other thing is variety. That was something that maybe Ivan wasn’t that big on. He was very big on being aggressive and coming forward to finish points but Amélie played with a lot of variety herself. It worked well for her and when it’s used properly, it can make a big difference. It’s been a big part of my game since I was young. That’s the other thing she’s been into.

“I played like that when I was a kid and I did it as well when I came on to the Tour until I was 21, 22. But when I was starting to play winning tennis, high‑percentage solid tennis, not making many mistakes, moving well, maybe I just got away from using that, I dunno … flair a bit on the court. That’s something I wanted to get back to a little bit and try to use in matches.”

He adds: “But it is also difficult: if you have a lot of shots at your disposal, to make the right decisions all of the time is hard. If you can only play one shot, then you don’t have to think about it. If you’re thinking about playing four or five different shots then you have to make your mind up. If you’re going to play that way, it’s about making the right decisions.”
 
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As for that call on having an operation, Murray says it wasn’t such a big deal, probably because the alternative was the hell of playing in constant pain, or the prospect of it. “I was more nervous when I started playing again and I was feeling my back,” he says.

“That was when you start to think was that actually a waste of time, you know? It was a pretty straightforward operation. There are things that can go wrong in surgery, of course, but there was very, very minor chance of that happening. The procedure I had was always going to work but it takes time for it to settle down. That doesn’t just happen in three, four weeks.

“Rome was the first week when it started to feel properly better. I wasn’t getting any pain in my back. That calmed me down. It was just nice to not be in pain when I hit the ball. That’s when I started to feel good about my game again.”

That is also when he utterly blitzed Nadal in the first set – only to lose it rather meekly at the end of the third. The pain of serial disappointment in such circumstances has not yet faded.

Murray’s life on the road is typical of an elite athlete juggling preparation and relaxation. Last week, for instance, he moved from one of Cincinnati’s best hotels to a more modest one near the venue in Mason, 20 miles away, partly because of the noise outside. And there are few places quieter than Mason.

It is a deceptively serene setting that has seen plenty of mayhem in the past, notably Djokovic’s continued failure to win the title; this time he fell to Tommy Robredo, the 32-year-old Spanish stylist, a week after another surprise defeat in Toronto at the hands of Tsonga (the Frenchman was on a giant-killing roll, going on to beat Federer in the final). So not all the woe on the circuit sits on Murray’s shoulders. Indeed, there is not a player at work who isn’t having some sort of issue with his game – except, perhaps Federer, who is moving again with all the silent smoothness of a Rolls-Royce.

With Murray, however, a defeat always seems to grow into a minor crisis in the eyes of his critics and friends. He generates angst where other players just lose a game of tennis. During his match against Isner last week, for instance, Serena Williams was giving her post‑match interview to ESPN, whose open-air commentary box was not far from the court – and Murray related later how he could hear her saying that he was her favourite player. It momentarily brought the match to a halt as the entire gathering joined in the surreal exchange.

Those moments of levity are more likely to happen away from the grand slam tournaments, of course, but they are not uncommon. Life is not all one long desperate search for perfection – although, from the outside, that is the way it often looks.

Murray fills in his downtime playing online football with fellow players or scanning the web for boxing results. In Mason, he was keen to find a place to watch Kell Brook’s world title fight with the American champion Shawn Porter, and considered the British fighter a good bet to win.

“Porter looks good,” he said. “I watched the Paulie Malignaggi fight live [when Porter blew his fellow American away] but I was looking at his record the other day and he’s won a few tight fights against guys who don’t really have great records, so I’m assuming he can be outboxed.” How prescient. Brook won on points in Los Angeles that Saturday night – and Murray soon was on a plane out of Ohio to New York.

This is his favourite city. He loves to walk the streets of Manhattan, to relax in his private thoughts and to shore up his self-belief. Maybe here he will find again the magic he wore like a cloak two years ago.

“When I’m physically fit, I’m mentally stronger as well,” Murray says. “I make way better decisions on the court. As long as I keep working hard, I’m sure the results will be around the corner.”
 
Murray is not Federer or Nadal so no interest in an in-depth interview with him? Understandable..

I read it thanks for posting. Hard to tell anything from the interview. He would talk up Mauresmo of course but Lendl is a huge loss. Wasn't Mauresmo a bit of a head case as a player?
 
I read it thanks for posting. Hard to tell anything from the interview. He would talk up Mauresmo of course but Lendl is a huge loss. Wasn't Mauresmo a bit of a head case as a player?

I'd say she was a little fragile, mentally. I like the point about bringing back variety and more intensity in training. Very interesting.
 
The man had back surgery
Look how long it took Sharapova to win another major after shoulder surgery. Ever body isn't Nadal who returns from "injury" winning everything in sight.
 
My thoughts on the Murray coach issue:

Murray needs a coach to be bigger than him. Case in point: Ivan Lendl. Murray had his greatest success with him, and Lendl's advice was easier for Murray to take because Lendl could happily walk away at any time. If the coach is reliant on his relationship with Murray, it undermines Murray's confidence in the instruction. Although not quite to the same extent, Mauresmo also benefits from this.

Another theory I have, is that Andy enjoys working with and getting coached by women. His Mom was his coach for a long time, and I think Andy feels comfortable with that kind of dynamic. I would like to say that gender is irrelevant, but I don't think that is the case, especially in professional sports. Andy may be the exception having learned tennis from his mom. Similar in a way to Jimmy Connors learning from his mom.
 
My thoughts on the Murray coach issue:

Murray needs a coach to be bigger than him. Case in point: Ivan Lendl. Murray had his greatest success with him, and Lendl's advice was easier for Murray to take because Lendl could happily walk away at any time. If the coach is reliant on his relationship with Murray, it undermines Murray's confidence in the instruction. Although not quite to the same extent, Mauresmo also benefits from this.

Another theory I have, is that Andy enjoys working with and getting coached by women. His Mom was his coach for a long time, and I think Andy feels comfortable with that kind of dynamic. I would like to say that gender is irrelevant, but I don't think that is the case, especially in professional sports. Andy may be the exception having learned tennis from his mom. Similar in a way to Jimmy Connors learning from his mom.

Interesting thoughts. I thought the article was revealing as I didn't know so much about what happened immediately post Wimbledon. I also wasn't 100% sure he is back to being fit, but if he says he's felt fine, I have to believe him.
 
Andy Murray is a rare young straight man he is open minded, loves women tennis. Andy has praised Taylor Townsend and Agnieszka Radwanska. Nice to hear that Andy does hit with Amelie this is good to hear. I noticed the article says Andy's face lights up when Amelie' name is mentioned. It is obvious Andy has so much respect for Amelie he believes in her and he likes her a lot.
 
Interesting thoughts. I thought the article was revealing as I didn't know so much about what happened immediately post Wimbledon. I also wasn't 100% sure he is back to being fit, but if he says he's felt fine, I have to believe him.

Sometimes, I find that you have to read between the lines when Andy tells us something. There are 4 questions I would love to ask him if I got the chance:

1. You say you feel fine so why did you start hitting slower and weaker serves after obtaining hard won breaks in the Tsonga and Federer matches in particular which immediately allowed them to come back?

2. Why have you thrown away so many matches from potentially winning positions this season?

3. What happened in those '30 mins before the f***ing match' comment many overheard you make prior to your quarter-final defeat against Dimitrov at Wimbledon? Even Dimitrov commented that he felt you were out of sorts after watching you in practice earlier on.

4. What the heck happened with Lendl? Not long before you split he told an interviewer that he felt he could carry on coaching you right to the end of your career!
 
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My thoughts on the Murray coach issue:

Murray needs a coach to be bigger than him. Case in point: Ivan Lendl. Murray had his greatest success with him, and Lendl's advice was easier for Murray to take because Lendl could happily walk away at any time. If the coach is reliant on his relationship with Murray, it undermines Murray's confidence in the instruction. Although not quite to the same extent, Mauresmo also benefits from this.

Another theory I have, is that Andy enjoys working with and getting coached by women. His Mom was his coach for a long time, and I think Andy feels comfortable with that kind of dynamic. I would like to say that gender is irrelevant, but I don't think that is the case, especially in professional sports. Andy may be the exception having learned tennis from his mom. Similar in a way to Jimmy Connors learning from his mom.
Unlike a lot of men Andy is clearly a feminist he has no issue having a female coach because he sees women as equals.Judy Murray did a good job raising her son. Andy is really brave he knows a lot of straight men will make crude comments about working with Amelie. However, Andy likes Amelie and he likes what she is doing as a coach. I noticed in the Isner match when he had the opportunity Andy was attacking the net more.
 
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Unlike a lot of men Andy is clearly a feminist he has no issue having a female coach because he sees women as equals.Judy Murray did a good job raising her son. Andy is really brave he knows a lot of straight men will make crude comments about working with Amelie. However, Andy likes Amelie and he likes what she is doing as a coach. I noticed in the Isner match when he had the opportunity Andy was attacking the net more.

Don't forget Andy's dad in this observation. It wasn't just Judy! Andy's dad, Will Murray, actually raised Andy and Jamie when Judy left the family home when they were still young kids. Their mum remained an important part of their lives but it was their dad they were living with while they were young and when they were still forming their outlook on everything.

Feminists need to acknowledge the role of fathers more in moulding their kids to grow up with an equal appreciation of both sexes!
 
The interview certainly reads the right way for improving results and a great 2015 but the proof will be in the pudding.
 
Don't forget Andy's dad in this observation. It wasn't just Judy! Andy's dad, Will Murray, actually raised Andy and Jamie when Judy left the family home when they were still young kids. Their mum remained an important part of their lives but it was their dad they were living with while they were young and when they were still forming their outlook on everything.

Feminists need to acknowledge the role of fathers more in moulding their kids to grow up with an equal appreciation of both sexes!

That's interesting, I was not aware of this.
 
So basically Murray is saying this:

Lendl = Goes for volume, pushes you hard in practice, makes you put in the hours on the practice court even if it means starting a match at 80%.

Mauresmo = easy going, keeps it casual, has some ideas but not as dogmatic as Lendl.

.....So basically she's a yes-women?

And I don't really understand Murray's logic - so Lendl worked him hard, he started matches strong and just went for it (and won two slams with that technique) whereas Mauresmo is far more relaxed and he's been spanked in straight sets in slams and lost matches he should have won?
 
@ Homeboy Hotel,Thats what I got from that part of it.

Given his problems I would have thought the best way forward was to put in far more hours of training on court and far more hours working on strength and fitness in the gym.

Thats what I would do If I was in his position anyway.
 
So basically Murray is saying this:

Lendl = Goes for volume, pushes you hard in practice, makes you put in the hours on the practice court even if it means starting a match at 80%.

Mauresmo = easy going, keeps it casual, has some ideas but not as dogmatic as Lendl.

.....So basically she's a yes-women?

And I don't really understand Murray's logic - so Lendl worked him hard, he started matches strong and just went for it (and won two slams with that technique) whereas Mauresmo is far more relaxed and he's been spanked in straight sets in slams and lost matches he should have won?
. WOW you are so quick to judge! It is amazing how quick people are ganging up on Amelie! The lady only worked with Andy Murray for less than two months and people already attack her!
I disagree with your comment in the article Andy said Amelie is VERY demanding in practice which MEANS she works Andy hard in training. Amelie is also trying to get Andy to attack the net. Andy also said Amelie is focused on quality NOT quantity. Amelie is new to working with Andy still she is under enormous pressure. It is so mean of people to expect magic when Amelie and Andy only worked two months together.
 
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. WOW you are so quick to judge! It is amazing how quick people are ganging up on Amelie! The lady only worked with Andy Murray for less than two months and people already attack her!
I disagree with your comment in the article Andy said Amelie is VERY demanding in practice which MEANS she works Andy hard in training. Amelie is also trying to get Andy to attack the net. Andy also said Amelie is focused on quality NOT quantity. Amelie is new to working with Andy still she is under enormous pressure. It is so mean of people to expect magic when Amelie and Andy only worked two months together.

There's a whole lot of Amelie and Andy going on in this post. :)
 
I'm not sure about the coaching situation, everyone seems to think that it has failed because she is a woman and he didn't win Wimbledon.

But its not like his results/form has actually decreased in any way since she joined. It merely hasn't increased yet. I don't know how long these things take or even what a coach teaches one of the best players in the world but I doubt she has had enough time yet though.

The implication that he does less time practicing on court with her is a bit worrying though.
 
Then I am back where I started before reading the article. Or almost, with regards to his health. For Murray to snub Lendl, that's mindboggling. Why would he do that!?!

I'm not convinced that it was Murray at all. I think he was more shocked than anybody when they parted. He definitely didn't want it to happen. I think it was more to do with Lendl. What changed his mind in the year since he gave that interview?
 
I'm not convinced that it was Murray at all. I think he was more shocked than anybody when they parted. He definitely didn't want it to happen. I think it was more to do with Lendl. What changed his mind in the year since he gave that interview?

It is hard for a lot of retired players with families to keep commiting full time to travelling year round, and all the time spent with a player in practice. I think that is why many of them only take on coaching a year or two at a time.
 
It is hard for a lot of retired players with families to keep commiting full time to travelling year round, and all the time spent with a player in practice. I think that is why many of them only take on coaching a year or two at a time.

Indeed, in the end I think it was a disagreement between them over how much time he should spend touring with Murray that caused them to end their partnership. It just seems rather sad and baffling after Lendl's obvious earlier enthusiasm for their partnership as revealed in that 2012 interview!
 
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