Andy Murray 2016 level

kevaninho

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Just rewatched the Rome final where he defeated Djokovic, and I have to say Murray played outstanding.
Now ive been watching every tennis event possible recently , and IMO that version of Murray is better than anything currently playing. I have no doubt he would be winning the current clay events especially, as Nadals level is exaggerated with the current players he faces.
Now thinking back to how well Murray was playing in especially the mid-later part of 2016, I feel he would be the current number 1 and the best player in the world right now.
I get that Djokovic's level in 16 maybe wasn't as good as the previous year, but Murray also went up a gear.
Winning Rome, Queens, Wimbledon, The Olympics, Beijing, Shanghai, Vienna, Paris and the WTF , along with finals at the AO, Madrid, The French open and Cinci, well, that's one hell of a year for any player.
Now as I said, I do believe Murray will get penalized for the lack of competition since Djokovic's level dropped, but im judging my opinion on Murrays level of play at that time, which was very very good.
The effort it took from Murray to overthrow Djokovic for the #1 ranking was tremendous.
I feel he deserves a lot more credit for what he brought to the table , regardless of how you think of his style.
If he came back to his 2016 form, he would be contending every event in the past year and a half IMO, very probably defeating Nadal and Federer consistently.
Opinions?
 
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I would want to see that lack of competition in 2018. Holy F S it's bad. I mean Zverev won 3 Masters, how much more proof do you need?
 
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Plamen1234

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It is 2018 not 2016.Andy Murray is not returning to this level.Plus the reason he was Number one was because Djokovic declined after RG 2016.Anyway Andy Murray had its time at the Top but unfortunately for him it ended.Murray should be happy if he enters Top 10 when he returns
 
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kevaninho said:
Just rewatched the Rome final where he defeated Djokovic, and I have to say Murray played outstanding.
Now ive been watching every tennis event possible recently , and IMO that version of Murray is better than anything currently playing. I have no doubt he would be winning the current clay events especially, as Nadals level is exaggerated with the current players he faces.
Now thinking back to how well Murray was playing in especially the mid-later part of 2016, I feel he would be the current number 1 and the best player in the world right now.
I get that Djokovic's level in 16 maybe wasn't as good as the previous year, but Murray also went up a gear.
Winning Rome, Queens, Wimbledon, The Olympics, Beijing, Shanghai, Vienna, Paris and the WTF , along with finals at the AO, Madrid, The French open and Cinci, well, that's one hell of a year for any player.
Now as I said, I do believe Murray will get penalized for the lack of competition since Djokovic's level dropped, but im judging my opinion on Murrays level of play at that time, which was very very good.
The effort it took from Murray to overthrow Djokovic for the #1 ranking was tremendous.
I feel he deserves a lot more credit for what he brought to the table , regardless of how you think of his style.
If he came back to his 2016 form, he would be contending every event in the past year and a half IMO, very probably defeating Nadal and Federer consistently.
Opinions?
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I agree with everything but not the last part. Fred would beat him in the first half the season ( But this would mean he loses AO Final, No way he is going past Berdych,Nishi,Murray,Stan,Rafa)

Wimbledon will be 50-50.

He might end up winning a clay masters but he isn't really going to beat Rafa on PC.


2018 is a different story.He ends up winning Ao,and Madrid with a good chance going into RG because right now the way Rafa plays just fits into what Andy would want.




Oh you want to know how pathetic current field is?

Watch Rome 2006 F, a 20 year old Rafa and best version of Federer playing absolute classic clay court match.

Why go that back in past watch 2009 Madrid Rafa vs Djokovic, that Rafa would just flat out refuse to lose to the Thiem he lost to this year.

Watch Djoker vs Rafa,Djoker vs Murray from Rome 2011

Each of these matches have both players playing way above Zverev level.
 
Plamen1234

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"If he came back to his 2016 form, he would be contending every event in the past year and a half IMO, very probably defeating Nadal and Federer consistently" - If he came back to his 2016 form he still wont win GS unless he has Raonic level player in the final
 
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kevaninho said:
Just rewatched the Rome final where he defeated Djokovic, and I have to say Murray played outstanding.
Now ive been watching every tennis event possible recently , and IMO that version of Murray is better than anything currently playing. I have no doubt he would be winning the current clay events especially, as Nadals level is exaggerated with the current players he faces.
Now thinking back to how well Murray was playing in especially the mid-later part of 2016, I feel he would be the current number 1 and the best player in the world right now.
I get that Djokovic's level in 16 maybe wasn't as good as the previous year, but Murray also went up a gear.
Winning Rome, Queens, Wimbledon, The Olympics, Beijing, Shanghai, Vienna, Paris and the WTF , along with finals at the AO, Madrid, The French open and Cinci, well, that's one hell of a year for any player.
Now as I said, I do believe Murray will get penalized for the lack of competition since Djokovic's level dropped, but im judging my opinion on Murrays level of play at that time, which was very very good.
The effort it took from Murray to overthrow Djokovic for the #1 ranking was tremendous.
I feel he deserves a lot more credit for what he brought to the table , regardless of how you think of his style.
If he came back to his 2016 form, he would be contending every event in the past year and a half IMO, very probably defeating Nadal and Federer consistently.
Opinions?
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Naah, would have struggled with Fedal, but he would have a shot at the HC slams imo; USO17, AO18. He was consistent in 2016 but needed Djoker to step down to become #1.
 
Julian Houston

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That murray hardworking and relevant for 2016 but step in aggressive will be able to beat him..

To be fair Nadal and Federer bruised by Djokovic that year and are on the verge of quitting tennis.
 
Plamen1234

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paranoidandroid said:
The disrespect for Murray on this thread. :rolleyes:

Why do people find it so hard to accept that Murray was the best player of 2016 and deserved to finish the year as #1?
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I dislike Novak Djokovic a lot but truth cant be denied.Murray become Number one in the rankings and was the best player post RG because Novak Djokovic declined.If Djokovic didnt decline Murray wouldnt have been Number one.
 
Mainad

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paranoidandroid said:
The disrespect for Murray on this thread. :rolleyes:

Why do people find it so hard to accept that Murray was the best player of 2016 and deserved to finish the year as #1?
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I think we must accept that he shares the 2016 honours with Djokovic. Djokovic dominated the 1st half of the year with 2 Slams and 4 Masters, Murray then dominating the 2nd half with 1 Slam, the WTF, the Olympic title and 3 Masters.
2016 was both a highlight and a turning point for both of them in their careers.
 
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Plamen1234 said:
I dislike Novak Djokovic a lot but truth cant be denied.Murray become Number one in the rankings and was the best player post RG because Novak Djokovic declined.If Djokovic didnt decline Murray wouldnt have been Number one.
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Declining is part and parcel of tennis and any other sport, there’s many examples of athletes declining and other competitors taking advantage of that.

Murray finished the year with more points than Djokovic, end of story.
 
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Mainad said:
I think we must accept that he shares the 2016 honours with Djokovic. Djokovic dominated the 1st half of the year with 2 Slams and 4 Masters, Murray then dominating the 2nd half with 1 Slam, the WTF, the Olympic title and 3 Masters.
2016 was both a highlight and a turning point for both of them in their careers.
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I refuse to accept such a thing.

 
Mainad

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Plamen1234 said:
I dislike Novak Djokovic a lot but truth cant be denied.Murray become Number one in the rankings and was the best player post RG because Novak Djokovic declined.If Djokovic didnt decline Murray wouldnt have been Number one.
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Djokovic didn't 'decline' the #1 ranking, he lost it to Murray in the final of the WTF. Murray had to fight for it and close a gap of more than 9,000 ranking points to achieve it. It didn't just magically drop into his lap because Djokovic was 'declining'.
 
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Mainad said:
You both seem to forget that Djokovic didn't "step down" to let Murray become #1. He got beaten by Murray in the final of the WTF where the number #1 ranking was decided!
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What i meant is that Djokers peak ended somewhere during 2016. His level dropped significantly after FO. He had 6 losses from W and out, when was the last time that happened?
 
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Jonas78 said:
What i meant is that Djokers peak ended somewhere during 2016. His level dropped significantly after FO. He had 6 losses from W and out, when was the last time that happened?
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Still all hinged on the WTF though. Djokovic was playing well in London and dropped only 1 set to reach the final. Murray had the tougher draw and was the more fatigued but still came through to confirm the #1 ranking.
 
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Mainad said:
Still all hinged on the WTF though. Djokovic was playing well in London and dropped only 1 set to reach the final. Murray had the tougher draw and was the more fatigued but still came through to confirm the #1 ranking.
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Sure. Murray was the best player that year. But Djoker losing to Sam R3 and RBA In Shanghai Isn’t the Djoker i knew from late 2014 - FO2016:).

Too bad Murray couldnt nail the USO16, should have won that one! If he had sustained his level he could also have been a competitor at AO17.
 
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Jonas78 said:
Sure. Murray was the best player that year. But Djoker losing to Sam R3 and RBA In Shanghai Isn’t the Djoker i knew from late 2014 - FO2016:).

Too bad Murray couldnt nail the USO16, should have won that one! If he had sustained his level he could also have been a competitor at AO17.
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USO 16 was definitely frustrating, was confident of Murray winning it but Nishikori had other ideas. :(
 
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Jonas78 said:
Sure. Murray was the best player that year. But Djoker losing to Sam R3 and RBA In Shanghai Isn’t the Djoker i knew from late 2014 - FO2016:).

Too bad Murray couldnt nail the USO16, should have won that one! If he had sustained his level he could also have been a competitor at AO17.
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The infamous gong incident during his match against Nishikori which he had been winning up to that point. A similar thing occurred in the final of 2013 AO when a feather drifted down in front of him when he was up a set and ahead in the 2nd set tie-break which he then lost and subsequently the match. Andy has too often let himself get needlessly distracted by these sorts of occurrences.
 
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Mainad said:
You both seem to forget that Djokovic didn't "step down" to let Murray become #1. He got beaten by Murray in the final of the WTF where the number #1 ranking was decided!
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Djokovic was losing to journeymen and would have made it even if he didn't play a single week after Wimbledon.

Let's keep pumping up one of the most vomit worthy matches in the history of the ATP though.

Actually, let's keep pumping up 2016 which was a horrible year in itself.
 
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kevaninho said:
Now thinking back to how well Murray was playing in especially the mid-later part of 2016, I feel he would be the current number 1 and the best player in the world right now.
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If he came back to his 2016 form, he would be contending every event in the past year and a half IMO, very probably defeating Nadal and Federer consistently.
Opinions?
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I think you could legitimately make the same statements about the year's top player for every year in history going back to the early 80s and the dawn of the graphite era.
 
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travlerajm said:
I think you could legitimately make the same statements about the year's top player for every year in history going back to the early 80s and the dawn of the graphite era.
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That they could all beat the current version of Fed and Nadal at their pet slams?
Not every player from every year was good on all surfaces. Murray has reached the slam final of every GS, plus won titles on every surface.
I don't think every player from the early 80s has that on their resume.
 
kevaninho

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travlerajm said:
I think you could legitimately make the same statements about the year's top player for every year in history going back to the early 80s and the dawn of the graphite era.
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That they could all beat the current version of Fed and Nadal at their pet slams?
Not every player from every year was good on all surfaces. Murray has reached the slam final of every GS, plus won titles on every surface.
I don't think every player from the early 80s has that on their resume.
 
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