Andy Murray is declining?

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always_crosscourt

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I think from the very moment he won the US Open, he has been declining. His results have backed that up, recently losing to Tipsarevic in an exo.

It is natural for a guy with his grinding, passive playstyle to begin his decline around the age he is, and I actually doubt we will see him seriously compete for slams in 2013.

I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie. Certainly if he makes it as far as Djokovic, the result will not be pretty. Does anyone stand even a remote chance against Djokovic at this year's Auzzie? He will then reach the second round of the French, and lose at or before R4 of Wimbledon and US Open. This is just the guy feeling I have. With Nadal coming back hungier than ever, life will be all the more difficult for the Scot.
 
He is not declining. I think he's been idling in neutral since he won the USO last year. He will probably make the final at the AO, but he will lose to Eeyore.
 
An exhibition match means nothing in the real scheme of things, he also lost to Roddick in one. I say he gets to the final of the AO, loses in the SFs at Wimbledon and defends his US Open title.
 
always_crosscourt said:
I think from the very moment he won the US Open, he has been declining. His results have backed that up, recently losing to Tipsarevic in an exo.

It is natural for a guy with his grinding, passive playstyle to begin his decline around the age he is, and I actually doubt we will see him seriously compete for slams in 2013.

I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie. Certainly if he makes it as far as Djokovic, the result will not be pretty. Does anyone stand even a remote chance against Djokovic at this year's Auzzie? He will then reach the second round of the French, and lose at or before R4 of Wimbledon and US Open. This is just the guy feeling I have. With Nadal coming back hungier than ever, life will be all the more difficult for the Scot.
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Murray lost to tipsy in an exho? He's definitely in decline.

Further evidence for your theory are his losses to Mahut and Troicki before Wimbledon and to Chardy before the USO.

And he has absolutely no chance against Novak if they meet. You only have to look at what happened the last time they met in a slam or the AO to know that.
 
You obviously don't watch Andy enough, he goes through many up and downs, he can go through stretches of going out early in consecutive tournaments and then suddenly come out and beat two of the top 3 players back to back to win a tournament, thats just what he's like. He doesn't have that mental consistency that the likes of Roger, Rafa and Novak have in order to go far in almost all the tournaments all year round but is getting better in that regard, its natural for a player once they have completed there life long goal, in Andy's case winning a slam to have a mental drop and less drive than before, especially at the end of the year when there isn't another build up to a slam until the next year for the Aussie Open. I expect him to be back at his best for the Aussie Open thats for sure, he's always performed well there.
 
He's not declining. He's simply going through the natural drop in intensity after winning his first slam, which IMO is part of the reason nobody has ever backed up their first slam with a second one at the very next slam. That said, Murray has a good chance at winning the AO 2013, but he's not declining because of a few losses.
 
batz said:
And he has absolutely no chance against Novak if they meet. You only have to look at what happened the last time they met in a slam or the AO to know that.
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He has a chance because Novak is declining too. Did you see how he got beat by some guy ranked #50+. Lets look at the other top players. Federer at 34 as we know is an old man in tennis terms and is declining too. Don't make me even go into Nadal.
 
I also think Murray will spend (most if not all) of 2013 ranked at #3, making deep runs in most (if not all) tournaments, including Masters.
 
A player putting it in neutral after the USO isn't uncommon. And, as others have stated, the exo loss means nothing.

If he's declining we won't know until we get deeper into the season.
 
always_crosscourt said:
I think from the very moment he won the US Open, he has been declining. His results have backed that up, recently losing to Tipsarevic in an exo.

It is natural for a guy with his grinding, passive playstyle to begin his decline around the age he is, and I actually doubt we will see him seriously compete for slams in 2013.

I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie. Certainly if he makes it as far as Djokovic, the result will not be pretty. Does anyone stand even a remote chance against Djokovic at this year's Auzzie? He will then reach the second round of the French, and lose at or before R4 of Wimbledon and US Open. This is just the guy feeling I have. With Nadal coming back hungier than ever, life will be all the more difficult for the Scot.
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You got to be new to tennis if you don't understand how players peak for slams. Murray is a perfect example of a guy peaking for slams. Look at 1999 Agassi for a great example of this. Agassi won 99 Roland Garros, made the final of 99 Wimbledon, won 99 US Open and won 2000 Australian Open. He had a very tame period between the 99 US Open and 2000 Australian Open. It's normal. The player who should be worried about their future is Djokovic. Because Djokovic hasn't won a slam since January 2012, and he's lost 3 BIG matches since then (vs Nadal at Roland Garros, vs Federer at Wimbledon, vs Murray at US Open).
 
If any of you posters remember 2007:
Federer loses to Roddick in the pre-AO07 Kooyong exhibition.
A couple weeks later Federer destroys Roddick 6-4, 6-0, 6-2.

Federer was just fooling around during the exhibition. Don't put too much weight into exhibition results.
 
One main thing I wonder about is the effect Murray's increased endorsements will have on his tennis...

We all saw what happened with Li Na.
 
DRII said:
One main thing I wonder about is the effect Murray's increased endorsements will have on his tennis...

We all saw what happened with Li Na.
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A bit different. Li Na kind of came out of nowhere to win RG, Murray has been touted as a possible GS champ for some years before finally winning it and was already a huge star in his home country.
 
always_crosscourt said:
I think from the very moment he won the US Open, he has been declining. His results have backed that up, recently losing to Tipsarevic in an exo.
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Well, he got to the final of Shanghai and should have won it (5 match points anybody?) but his form has certainly tailed off a bit since his USO win. He usually starts to get into the groove again at the start of the new season.

As for exhos, so what? Djokovic lost to retired old man Kuerten in an exho in Brazil. Should we read anything into that? Tipsarevic is, at least, a top 10 player!

always_crosscourt said:
It is natural for a guy with his grinding, passive playstyle to begin his decline around the age he is, and I actually doubt we will see him seriously compete for slams in 2013.
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Well, the same goes for Nadal and Djokovic who also have grinding playstyles!

always_crosscourt said:
I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie. Certainly if he makes it as far as Djokovic, the result will not be pretty.
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Murray's matches with Djokovic are nearly always cliffhangers. Djokovic is 4-3 v Murray in matches in 2012. Their USO final was quite a typical match for them. Either one of them usually just edges it in the final set.

always_crosscourt said:
Does anyone stand even a remote chance against Djokovic at this year's Auzzie? He will then reach the second round of the French, and lose at or before R4 of Wimbledon and US Open. This is just the guy feeling I have. With Nadal coming back hungier than ever, life will be all the more difficult for the Scot.
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What makes you think Nadal is going to come back exactly where he left off last June? Most of us are far more concerned about his possible decline given his increasingly long absence from the tour than any of us are with Murray!
 
Mainad said:
Well, he got to the final of Shanghai and should have won it (5 match points anybody?) but his form has certainly tailed off a bit since his USO win. He usually starts to get into the groove again at the start of the new season.

As for exhos, so what? Djokovic lost to retired old man Kuerten in an exho in Brazil. Should we read anything into that? Tipsarevic is, at least, a top 10 player!



Well, the same goes for Nadal and Djokovic who also have grinding playstyles!



Murray's matches with Djokovic are nearly always cliffhangers. Djokovic is 4-3 v Murray in matches in 2012. Their USO final was quite a typical match for them. Either one of them usually just edges it in the final set.



What makes you think Nadal is going to come back exactly where he left off last June? Most of us are far more concerned about his possible decline given his increasingly long absence from the tour than any of us are with Murray!
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Is there any high quality footage of that on the net? I youtube'd it, but the couldn't even see the ball
 
DRII said:
One main thing I wonder about is the effect Murray's increased endorsements will have on his tennis...

We all saw what happened with Li Na.
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When did Murray's endorsements increase? He already was the 3rd most popular player on the planet before he won the US Open (I think Murray was always a bigger name than Djokovic, because the UK market is big). And now he is.....the 3rd most popular player on the planet.

Endorsement increase would only be minor if at all, so I wouldn't worry about the effect. Whereas Li Na was relatively invisible before she won a slam.
 
always_crosscourt said:
I actually doubt we will see him seriously compete for slams in 2013.

I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie.
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RAFA2005RG said:
When did Murray's endorsements increase? He already was the 3rd most popular player on the planet before he won the US Open (I think Murray was always a bigger name than Djokovic, because the UK market is big). And now he is.....the 3rd most popular player on the planet.

Endorsement increase would only be minor if at all, so I wouldn't worry about the effect. Whereas Li Na was relatively invisible before she won a slam.
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Good point by you and norbac...

But, I thought i heard that his endorsements were suppose to dramatically increase in the UK, his native Scottland, and perhaps Europe in general with his first slam win...

maybe not.
 
DRII said:
Good point by you and norbac...

But, I thought i heard that his endorsements were suppose to dramatically increase in the UK, his native Scottland, and perhaps Europe in general with his first slam win...

maybe not.
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Nah, you are probably correct. I just didn't hear about that. I don't follow the UK media that much.
 
Steve0904 said:
He's not declining. He's simply going through the natural drop in intensity after winning his first slam, which IMO is part of the reason nobody has ever backed up their first slam with a second one at the very next slam.
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Don Budge won six slams in a row in a streak that began with his first slam ever.

Connors won the very next slam he played, Wimbledon, after winning the 1974 AO. And he was banned from Roland Garros that year, so I think he's entitled to credit as well.
 
JMR said:
Don Budge won six slams in a row in a streak that began with his first slam ever.

Connors won the very next slam he played, Wimbledon, after winning the 1974 AO. And he was banned from Roland Garros that year, so I think he's entitled to credit as well.
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That wasn't what Steve said though mate - nobody in the open era has won their first slam then won the next slam that was played (as opposed to the next slam that they played).
 
batz said:
That wasn't what Steve said though mate - nobody in the open era has won their first slam then won the next slam that was played (as opposed to the next slam that they played).
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Steve did not say "open era." Read his comment again. Is that why you ignored my reference to Budge? Budge won a slam and then the very next one, and the next, and the next, and then two more.

As for Connors, I explained why I think he's entitled to an exception. Disagree if you wish. It's not a big deal.
 
Right, the guy just had his best slam year ever (2 slam finals and a title) and won Olympic Gold.

However losing an exo means he's finished now, gotta love this forum sometimes.
 
always_crosscourt said:
I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie. Certainly if he makes it as far as Djokovic, the result will not be pretty. Does anyone stand even a remote chance against Djokovic at this year's Auzzie? He will then reach the second round of the French, and lose at or before R4 of Wimbledon and US Open. This is just the guy feeling I have. With Nadal coming back hungier than ever, life will be all the more difficult for the Scot.
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Murray can be defeated early at RG, but why do you think he would lose at Wimbledon before R4?:confused: Guy played 4 consecutive SF and probably is the best grass courter currently...
 
DRII said:
Good point by you and norbac...

But, I thought i heard that his endorsements were suppose to dramatically increase in the UK, his native Scottland, and perhaps Europe in general with his first slam win...

maybe not.
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Some rent-a-gob media relations guy was quoted in the tabloids as saying he could earn £100 million from endorsements after his summer, but that was from someone who represents clients who sell their souls for a magazine deal, was a lifetime prediction, would rely on Andy actually wanting to take on more endorsements.

There were likely already clauses in his existing contracts for bonuses for big wins and ranking position anyway.

Andy did reveal he was worried that winning a slam might change his life too much, bringing too much attention, but the very fact he knew he didn't want that to change means he's better protected against it, and less likely to fall for the allure of big money, but pointless and time consuming contracts. I don't know exactly what happened with Li Na, but IMO Andy was savvy enough, and rich enough to be able to say no.

Djokovic and Federer have both lost to lower ranked players in exhos this off-season too, and I'm not quite prepared to write them off either. :D
 
zagor said:
Right, the guy just had his best slam year ever (2 slam finals and a title) and won Olympic Gold.

However losing an exo means he's finished now, gotta love this forum sometimes.
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It was the Wimbledon forecast that truly cracked me up.

Murray has made the last 4 semis or better there - a streak that only Roger can better among active players - but he's going to lose before R4 because at the age of 25, he's in decline? :)
 
batz said:
:) I know, it's shocking.

Welcome back any way and a Happy New Year to you.
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Happy New Year. Serious question: There's a 50/50 chance I will be moving to Edinburgh in 2014. Is there any chance I will meet any non-Murray fans there or will I just have to convert to Murrayism?
 
The Bawss said:
Happy New Year. Serious question: There's a 50/50 chance I will be moving to Edinburgh in 2014. Is there any chance I will meet any non-Murray fans there or will I just have to convert to Murrayism?
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:)

Before this year, you'd have found some "non-Murray" types - but I think most people are kind of behind him now. Let's face it - there ain't much other sporting success happening in Scotland!

Property is relatively expensive in Edinburgh - not quite London prices but getting that way.

Are you moving up just to get a vote in the referendum? ;)
 
I don't think he is declining at all. If anything his game should be stronger this season after winning the all-important first slam
 
PCXL-Fan said:
If any of you posters remember 2007:
Federer loses to Roddick in the pre-AO07 Kooyong exhibition.
A couple weeks later Federer destroys Roddick 6-4, 6-0, 6-2.

Federer was just fooling around during the exhibition. Don't put too much weight into exhibition results.
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This guy gets it. Although I will say I don't think that Murray is capable of dominating like Fed, Nadal, and Novak have at times. His style won't allow it.
 
The Bawss said:
Happy New Year. Serious question: There's a 50/50 chance I will be moving to Edinburgh in 2014. Is there any chance I will meet any non-Murray fans there or will I just have to convert to Murrayism?
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Oh..just convert to Murrayism. It'll make you much happier! :wink:
 
always_crosscourt said:
I think from the very moment he won the US Open, he has been declining. His results have backed that up, recently losing to Tipsarevic in an exo.
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He is not declining, he is at his very peak. :rolleyes:

Nobody cares about an exo loss, it means nothing.

Murray will likely be a factor at the AO and is second favorite to win there behind Djokovic.
 
Murray played patchy in the first few matches of 2012 too, and look at the year he had.

C'mon, its only the first week of the season.

And it was only natural he would have post Slam/Olympics foucs issues.
 
always_crosscourt said:
I think from the very moment he won the US Open, he has been declining. His results have backed that up, recently losing to Tipsarevic in an exo.

It is natural for a guy with his grinding, passive playstyle to begin his decline around the age he is, and I actually doubt we will see him seriously compete for slams in 2013.

I'll say he goes out at or before R4 of the Auzzie. Certainly if he makes it as far as Djokovic, the result will not be pretty. Does anyone stand even a remote chance against Djokovic at this year's Auzzie? He will then reach the second round of the French, and lose at or before R4 of Wimbledon and US Open. This is just the guy feeling I have. With Nadal coming back hungier than ever, life will be all the more difficult for the Scot.
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What is the bolded part supposed to mean :twisted: ?

BTW:
1. Losing to Tipsy in an Exo means: Absolutely nothing.
2. You making a thread about it means: You are looking for a forum brawl.
3. You looking for a forum brawl means: You've been here before.

Now, who would you be? Hmmmm.
 
Andy Murray has very good chances for winning two majors this year. I don't think how anyone can ignore Murray's chances in W 2013 and US Open 2013. In AO he is the second favorite.

Andy Murray can win any slam other than RG.
 
batz said:
Murray declines to another title. He should retire. Or get a bigger racket or something.
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Yeah, Grigor played out of his mind for most of the first set and Andy looked obviously off a bit but still managed to get the job done. This is a good sign for Andy's preparation going into the Australian Open. It's a special player that can find a way to win, when things aren't optimal.

Hey Batz... Andy got a little choked up during the trophy presentation and dedicated the win to a friend back home (think he said it's one of his best friends who is very sick). Anyway, hopefully the situation turns for the better.
 
Feather said:
Andy Murray can win any slam other than RG.
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I'm wondering how things are going to turn out for Nadal this season before discussing any other favorites for the French Open. (If) Nadal isn't in full form by then, my attention will be on Andy and a few others as very real possiblilities for the French Title. Andy has already proven he can play on this surface as well.
 
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