Andy Murray on CNN discusses retirement, gender equality, and the Rafa, Roger popularity vs Djokovic

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Andy is about to play his final Olympics in Paris.
“A couple of months ago… I was unsure about when I wanted to finish – or if I wanted to finish,” he tells me. “[But] as I sit here today, I’m really happy about it.”
Helping push gender equality in tennis “wasn’t something I’d given much thought to,”
But when he took on a female coach, Amélie Mauresmo, he says “there was a big change in attitude” from players and beyond. “It was quite eye-opening for me.”
The 1996 Dunblane massacre is the deadliest mass shooting in British history. @andy_murray was a young schoolboy there, “it was obviously an unbelievably difficult time.” The town, he adds, has “never fully recovered, but has become stronger through that.”
British crowds now love @andy_murray, but he faced his fair share of hostility – as many of Britain’s teams do across different sports. “I’m not sure” why that’s the case, Murray tells me. “It’s definitely there and for sure, the athletes, they feel that.”
“You’re playing for something just bigger than yourself. And I’ve really enjoyed that," as he looks ahead to his fifth - and final - appearance at the Olympics.
“Being part of a huge team and representing your country… I’ve always fed off that,” he says. “You’re playing for something just bigger than yourself.”
“Mentally, I still feel young, but physically, you know, the last few years have been really hard for me.”


and the comparison of Rafa Roger popularity vs Djokovic
 
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A question: do you know whether anyone's asked him if he has considered/is considering continuing to play doubles? It seems that his body can do that - unlike singles - and if he doesn't want to retire but feels he has to do so, that could be an option for him, especially as Jaime would potentially be a high-quality partner. Do you think they might play Wimbledon 2025 together?
 
A question: do you know whether anyone's asked him if he has considered/is considering continuing to play doubles? It seems that his body can do that - unlike singles - and if he doesn't want to retire but feels he has to do so, that could be an option for him, especially as Jaime would potentially be a high-quality partner. Do you think they might play Wimbledon 2025 together?

Not sure if anyone has asked him about this but I do think it remains a possibility.
 
Why would Brit crowds hate him? He was their only hope.
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He became unpopular with English media and some fans after he half jokingly said many years back that when it came to football he being Scottish would support whoever was playing England.

Unless you come from UK you may not have an idea of how much most of the "Celtic" nations root against England. I can assure you that 90% of the people i know in Scotland, Ireland & Wales support England's opponents.

However, in most cases it is partially tongue in cheek rather than sheer hatred and also in most cases it is because they cannot stomach the English media who just go on and and about England as though rest of UK does not matter.
 
People often point out how much of a classy gentleman Federer is, but Murray isn't any short of it. A true British gentleman right here. Excellent career and great manners and a good sport. Will be missed.
Setting a bar too low comparing Murray to Federer.

Murray is not less of a foulmouth than Novak himself.
 
All players can have their occasional moment of losing their cool and blaming others, it doesn't mean they ain't no gentlemen:


You've done a great job illustrating how players like Federer have had occasional moments where they are not at their best, but overall have good on court and off court behavior. Murray, on the other hand, was routinely a jerk on the court. He tried hard, worked hard, and seems like a caring guy off court. His on court antics of looking like he was dying between points after he lost points, then being just fine during points for hours, and his screaming at and blaming his team and coaches was not something a gentleman would do. If you can't see he often was a jerk on the court, then your judgement is likely clouded because you are a fan.
 
You've done a great job illustrating how players like Federer have had occasional moments where they are not at their best, but overall have good on court and off court behavior. Murray, on the other hand, was routinely a jerk on the court. He tried hard, worked hard, and seems like a caring guy off court. His on court antics of looking like he was dying between points after he lost points, then being just fine during points for hours, and his screaming at and blaming his team and coaches was not something a gentleman would do. If you can't see he often was a jerk on the court, then your judgement is likely clouded because you are a fan.
100%
 
Gender equality would mean treating both genders equally ie everyone plays in the same league with the same rules expectations and only the best prevail, same with coaching, or anything else.

What we are doing now is giving special and unequal privileges to people who didn’t earn it and are incapable of competing with the best.

The current trend is to push for more and more mediocrity which is the antithesis of sports.
 
All players can have their occasional moment of losing their cool and blaming others, it doesn't mean they ain't no gentlemen:



Federer won 20 Grand Slams and was ruling Tennis in his pomp for many years, now that can create some small level ego even in the classiest of players. Murray never was even 20% as good as Federer, now imagine what Murray would have been if he had won so much?? You think he will look humble off court? He would have looked far more cocky on and off the court than Federer.

Roger truly is the classiest of them all, he had a big ego in the 2000s but he carried himself very well despite that.
 
You've done a great job illustrating how players like Federer have had occasional moments where they are not at their best, but overall have good on court and off court behavior. Murray, on the other hand, was routinely a jerk on the court. He tried hard, worked hard, and seems like a caring guy off court. His on court antics of looking like he was dying between points after he lost points, then being just fine during points for hours, and his screaming at and blaming his team and coaches was not something a gentleman would do. If you can't see he often was a jerk on the court, then your judgement is likely clouded because you are a fan.

Yeah, Murray's obviously a very nice, well-mannered guy off court but he was potty mouthed when playing, yelling and screaming profanities all the time. It's not a big deal, players react differently in the heat of the competition.
 
If he'll be, if he'll be my baby.

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He became unpopular with English media and some fans after he half jokingly said many years back that when it came to football he being Scottish would support whoever was playing England.

Unless you come from UK you may not have an idea of how much most of the "Celtic" nations root against England. I can assure you that 90% of the people i know in Scotland, Ireland & Wales support England's opponents.

However, in most cases it is partially tongue in cheek rather than sheer hatred and also in most cases it is because they cannot stomach the English media who just go on and and about England as though rest of UK does not matter.
It was in a tv show. He was being leg pulled about Scotland's prospects in world cup. And he gave tongue in cheek reply that he will support the other team. All hell broke loose.

That was in 2009 or 2010. After that Andy was very cautious about what he said and won over the crowd by 2012
 
People often point out how much of a classy gentleman Federer is, but Murray isn't any short of it. A true British gentleman right here. Excellent career and great manners and a good sport. Will be missed.
Seriously? His behaviour on court was often atrocious, do you think swearing on court is gentlemanly? I couldn't stand his constant moaning, gesticulating and swearing, and you think he was a great British 'gentleman', when he was being watched by thousands and behaved that way?
Ye gods.
 
Gender equality would mean treating both genders equally ie everyone plays in the same league with the same rules expectations and only the best prevail, same with coaching, or anything else.

What we are doing now is giving special and unequal privileges to people who didn’t earn it and are incapable of competing with the best.

The current trend is to push for more and more mediocrity which is the antithesis of sports.
Absolutely.
At a certain level of abstraction, the idea of gender equality, and indeed equality in a broad sense, seems attractive - but the devil is in the detail.
One side effects of gender equality, has been a tendency for feminism in it's various guises, to aspire to male standards while eschewing female ones. This side effect of gender equality tends to go unnoticed, but it's a reality, and a profoundly negative one, nonetheless.
There was a recent attempt to show that women were as much hunters as they were gatherers in Mesolithic societies. The attempt failed due to lack of empirical evidence, but what this attempt shows is how the female domain in those societies is implicitly seen as being of a lower status compared to male activities. Equality, in this sense, means women being able to do things that were the domain of men, but there's no corresponding aspiration for men to do what are traditionally women's roles. The upshot is that what men do - is to be aspired to, what women do or did - less so.
Also, the aspirations are selective, so women can aspire to be CEO's etc, but i see no push for women to be bin men or roof repairers.
 
Who cares he is not in the top 100 so really doesn't deserve to be in the Olympics anyway. I can't believe the Olympics let him in. It was shameful they let him in.
 
Who cares he is not in the top 100 so really doesn't deserve to be in the Olympics anyway. I can't believe the Olympics let him in. It was shameful they let him in.

Oh yes, absolutely shameful they allowed a 2 time Olympic gold medallist to participate in the Olympics. What could they be thinking of? :rolleyes:
 
Oh yes, absolutely shameful they allowed a 2 time Olympic gold medallist to participate in the Olympics. What could they be thinking of? :rolleyes:

What like 30 years ago. Why isn't Agasi playing?

Besides he should be playing for Spain as that is where he grew up. Although he does have British teeth. Maybe that qualifies him for the British team.
 
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What like 30 years ago. Why isn't Agasi playing?

Besides he should be playing for Spain as that is where he grew up. Although he does have British teeth. Maybe that qualifies him for the British team
Who cares he is not in the top 100 so really doesn't deserve to be in the Olympics anyway. I can't believe the Olympics let him in. It was shameful they let him in.
I hope they find a cure for whatever is wrong with you.
 
I hope they find a cure for whatever is wrong with you.

I was having a good time based on the goofball poster and the other thread out there. I mean if we can have one racist/nationalistic post out there why not add another.

I have never really minded Andy.
 
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Seriously? His behaviour on court was often atrocious, do you think swearing on court is gentlemanly? I couldn't stand his constant moaning, gesticulating and swearing, and you think he was a great British 'gentleman', when he was being watched by thousands and behaved that way?
Ye gods.

Well not all players can be ice-cool like Borg, many have to let their emotions out sometimes in an unpretty way. Andy is one of them. Still, his on-court behaviour is the epitome of gentlemanliness compared to some of the well known players of the past.
 
All players can have their occasional moment of losing their cool and blaming others, it doesn't mean they ain't no gentlemen:



Very true.

But also - I do love how that’s like the worst of maybe two or three possible clips in total anyone can use in Roger’s whole 24 year pro career.

Still, Murray is awesome. I even love his grumpiness on court. It’s endearing and never seems arrogant or hostile to me.
 
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