Andy Murray on women playing Bo5: "It's not their decision."

L4S10s

Professional
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Tweener

Semi-Pro
That'll make slams a month long.

If they really wanna play Bo5 they should play women slams separately in other locations. Then we'll see if they really fill in the seats and viewership (hint: no).
Or make them a month long at the same location, just two separate weeks for each tour. It would be interesting to see how things go, both in terms of the game but also in terms of attendance.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
Bo5 women’s tennis would be a grueling, slow grind of a product, most of the players would end up injured or dead tired, and scheduling at Slams would be an absolute nightmare. It is a horrible idea.

The tennis would suffer with them playing Bo5.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
Bo5 women’s tennis would be a grueling, slow grind of a product, most of the players would end up injured or dead tired, and scheduling at Slams would be an absolute nightmare. It is a horrible idea.

The tennis would suffer with them playing Bo5.
There are lots of folks on here who seem to prefer WTA so it must be popular. It’s just weird, in no other sports are women playing by different rules or in shortened formats compared with their male counterparts.
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
There are lots of folks on here who seem to prefer WTA so it must be popular. It’s just weird, in no other sports are women playing by different rules or in shortened formats compared with their male counterparts.
Well because they train for it. WTA players don’t and they aren’t conditioning or practicing to play 5 sets, they’re doing it for 3.

Introducing 5 sets would be stupid.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
Well because they train for it. WTA players don’t and they aren’t conditioning or practicing to play 5 sets, they’re doing it for 3.

Introducing 5 sets would be stupid.
Yeah I mean it would be stupid to suddenly make the change now. It would also create a dilemma with comparing past and future eras and achievements given that they would’ve been played in different formats. I’m not so much suggesting they should do it, more so lamenting about the fact that they’ve never made them equal in the past.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I remember it was seriously being discussed by the powers that be to make just the finals best of 5 circa 1994(it was after a lame beatdown of Sanchez by Graf at the Australian Open). Wonder what happened, seemed like there have been no serious discussions in last 30 years.
 

Robert F

Hall of Fame
I'd love to see the women play B05. There might be an adaptation period to adjust their training.
The issue becomes scheduling and use of tournament resources/facilities. Might be a big issue for grass to be worn down even more.
If done I'd prefer them expanding facilities at current sites to hold the event as is, as opposed to adding a separate location or turning the even into 2 weeks men/2 weeks women.

I worry if you spread the event over 4 weeks you lose the cross marketing benefit for viewership and selling seats the even.
All the combined events benefit from cross pollination of popularity and marketing.

At Cincy this year, when Serena was billed to play, ticket prices skyrocketed. Her practice was overflowing with spectators. So she brings in tons of viewers who watch her match but also fill in to the other side matches. Big 3 also fill the site which flows to the weaker matches and less known players.

Unfortunately, tennis continues to be a star sport, and people come to see stars. Lately, men have had more stars then women, but it can go either way over time and both tours can benefit from stars on both sides.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
I would rather see women play Bo5 in slams than changing men’s slams to Bo3. I’ve never really understood why both tours aren’t playing Bo5 in majors.
Women’s matches take three hours to play because nobody can hold serve and games go to multiple deuces — now imagine that being played out over five sets and the match is lasting five or six hours. The entire schedule would be messed up.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
There are lots of folks on here who seem to prefer WTA so it must be popular. It’s just weird, in no other sports are women playing by different rules or in shortened formats compared with their male counterparts.

WNBA
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
I'm going to be honest here and say that if they make women play B05 then the men's and women's slams should be held seperately at different times because I'm already sick of WTA matches holding up the ATP matches at slams or causing delays and B05 will make it that much worse.

If the WTA tour is as popular as everyone seems to think it is then it will double the earning and viewing figures over the 4weeks instead of 2 and it would justify the pay rise and equal pay/earnings and cement that argument further. The only issue I could see is the court condition for courts like Wimbledon being more deteriorated and I'm not sure if there is a way to negate that, maybe not but it would be fine for every other court so why not just do it.
 

tennis3

Hall of Fame
I'm going to be honest here and say that if they make women play B05 then the men's and women's slams should be held seperately at different times because I'm already sick of WTA matches holding up the ATP matches at slams or causing delays and B05 will make it that much worse.

If the WTA tour is as popular as everyone seems to think it is then it will double the earning and viewing figures over the 4weeks instead of 2 and it would justify the pay rise and equal pay/earnings and cement that argument further. The only issue I could see is the court condition for courts like Wimbledon being more deteriorated and I'm not sure if there is a way to negate that, maybe not but it would be fine for every other court so why not just do it.
Nobody thinks the WTA is popular. Equal prize money is basically a “shame tax” joint events are forced to pay

 

L4S10s

Professional
I'm going to be honest here and say that if they make women play B05 then the men's and women's slams should be held seperately at different times because I'm already sick of WTA matches holding up the ATP matches at slams or causing delays and B05 will make it that much worse.

If the WTA tour is as popular as everyone seems to think it is then it will double the earning and viewing figures over the 4weeks instead of 2 and it would justify the pay rise and equal pay/earnings and cement that argument further. The only issue I could see is the court condition for courts like Wimbledon being more deteriorated and I'm not sure if there is a way to negate that, maybe not but it would be fine for every other court so why not just do it.

They don't have to follow the same order of events. Men can play RG while women play Wimby and vice-versa, allowing the grass to grow back in-between.
 

Federev

Legend
How about 4 sets (if necessary) and a traditional tie-breaker to seven if necessary?

I.e. if a woman wins the first 3 sets she wins. If they split 2-2 then it automatically goes to a tiebreaker.

Men are on average much bigger and stronger and faster and it's no shame they play a tougher match length.

But it would be nice if the women's slams were a little more rigorous than their other tourneys.

As it stands it's actually easier at slams with the day of rest.
 

insideguy

G.O.A.T.
How about 4 sets (if necessary) and a traditional tie-breaker to seven if necessary?

I.e. if a woman wins the first 3 sets she wins. If they split 2-2 then it automatically goes to a tiebreaker.

Men are on average much bigger and stronger and faster and it's no shame they play a tougher match length.

But it would be nice if the women's slams were a little more rigorous than their other tourneys.

As it stands it's actually easier at slams with the day of rest.
Ok. There is select group of people who care about this. I aint one of them.
 

Razer

Legend
Why would men want women to play 5 sets like men do ? Would you like women to look like men full of testosterone and manly looks? So don't put pressure on women to make them play 5, the 3 sets us enough, don't think audience would like to see them struggle over 5. Women should retain feminine features instead of competing with men in everything which is pointless..
 

Silverbullet96

Hall of Fame
I feel like scheduling can be a problem. Maybe fitness as well, I had read that in the 2000s when the Women's players were playing with the Tennis balls that Men use, they had a little too many injuries which is why since then the Women play with lighter & faster (Regular duty) balls. Maybe they'll physically struggle with the Men's rules in terms of number of sets as well.
 

Nate7-5

Hall of Fame
I would rather see women play Bo5 in slams than changing men’s slams to Bo3. I’ve never really understood why both tours aren’t playing Bo5 in majors.

There is barely enough time to get all of the matches in at majors as it is - especially if there are rain delays.

There would be some epic womens 5 setters though. I didn't want that Sabalenka v Rybakina AusOpen final to end.
 

Martin J

Hall of Fame
Why would they be "more than willing" when they're getting a good paycheck now playing 1 hour matches? Go back to Final Fantasy you washed up Chocobo looking ugly idiot
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Hahahaha....that anger is going to kill you, man...but I have to admit, your comments make me laugh loud quite often :D
 
There are lots of folks on here who seem to prefer WTA so it must be popular. It’s just weird, in no other sports are women playing by different rules or in shortened formats compared with their male counterparts.
Actually there are a lot of them. WNBA as the other poster has mentioned but also many track and field disciplines. Only 100 meters hurdles instead of 110 for the men, Heptathlon instead of Decathlon, lower weight in discus and shot put etc.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
His brand of feminism is so passive aggressive and bitter
Maybe at other times but this time Murray is spot-on.

His point is that women playing only in Bo3 format should not be held against them. Which does happen. Everywhere including here someone always says "but they don't play Bo5 — therefore they don't deserve (fill in the blanks)". Murray is accurately checkmating these twerps by pointing out that that argument is flawed. Because female players never "voted" to deviate from male tennis. It was an act of "chivalry" invented by organizers. Just as once upon a time women were banned from participating in marathon allegedly for their own health and safety until some women illegally run in men's marathons in the 1970s and proved once and for all that there was no deadly hazard... except perhaps for some of the men.
 

Olli Jokinen

Hall of Fame
That'll make slams a month long.

If they really wanna play Bo5 they should play women slams separately in other locations. Then we'll see if they really fill in the seats and viewership (hint: no).
The men's doubles used to be Bo5. Back then they could manage.
 

Tweener

Semi-Pro
Actually there are a lot of them. WNBA as the other poster has mentioned but also many track and field disciplines. Only 100 meters hurdles instead of 110 for the men, Heptathlon instead of Decathlon, lower weight in discus and shot put etc.
True, but those are reduced between 10-15% whereas in tennis it's 40%. As some others have stated, to me it's more about the fact that matches at a slam and at ATP 250 event are the same length, with shorter breaks between matches in the smaller events. It just seems odd to me. Also, I'd just love to see Ostapenko in a 5 setter.
 
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DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
True, but those are reduced between 10-15% whereas in tennis it's 40%. As some others have stated, to me it's more about the fact that a slam and at ATP 250 event are the same length, with shorter breaks between matches in the smaller events. It just seems odd to me. Also, I'd just love to see Ostapenko in a 5 setter.
That would be agony for her.
:eek:
 

chrischris

G.O.A.T.
How about 4 sets (if necessary) and a traditional tie-breaker to seven if necessary?

I.e. if a woman wins the first 3 sets she wins. If they split 2-2 then it automatically goes to a tiebreaker.

Men are on average much bigger and stronger and faster and it's no shame they play a tougher match length.

But it would be nice if the women's slams were a little more rigorous than their other tourneys.

As it stands it's actually easier at slams with the day of rest.

Maybe a good idea..
Or best of 3 but 8 games instead 6 to win each set ( tiebreak at 8all)
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I agree with him that would be capable and willing. I always thought the "the don't play B05" was sort of a strawman argument for not awarding equal prize money - since they weren't asked to play B05 and never refused to. And the two-week Slam model is sort of based on women playing BO3. Of course, it could be altered and the Slams could last longer, but they haven't done that.
 
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