Andy Murray threatens his health, says Dr. Hannes Rudiger

blablavla said:
is Andy's telephone number published somewhere?

let's say I have something serious to say, how do I contact Andy in private?
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If I don't know Andy or the details of his medical history and don't have his contact details maybe I shouldn't presume to go public about his private medical procedures and tell him to stop playing?
 
Mainad said:
As far as I'm aware, the responses are 'no' in all 3 cases. If that were me, I would be extremely annoyed that a foreign doctor with whom I have had no contact suddenly presumed to comment publicly to the press on my private medical procedures and lecture me to terminate my career immediately.

Whether he turns out to be right or wrong he should back off and mind his own business.
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A thousand times YES! He's just another glory hunter, so if Murray has serious problems, he'll just say, "I told you so." But if Murray is OK, we'll never hear about his being wrong.
 
You are being over-sensitive here as there is no personal instrusion into private matters at all.

Mainad said:
He intruded into private matters when he referenced Andy in person, someone he does not know and has had no personal contact with, instead of confining himself to commenting on on the effects of hip replacement procedures in general and, in any case, was clearly courting publicity by expressing his unsolicited opinions to the media instead of in a respected medical journal.
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Mainad said:
Or maybe he just unexpectedly (and annoyingly?) beat Dr. Rudiger's fellow countryman (of whose own recent medical procedures he has not elected to make public comment about) in a tennis final?
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I'm on your side here. I mean, sometimes professionals get tricked by being presented with a general question "what are the risks of hip resurfacing" which is then used as if they'd been talking specifically, but this isn't the case here. He knows he's talking about Andy. Surely he trusts that Andy's own advisors will have made clear to him all the possible risks.
 
I have no medical expertise, but when Murray first announced that he wouldn't be able to play anymore, then proceeds to play again, I fear he's making an emotional decision (really likes to play) than a rational one (thinking about his health).

One the plus side I got to watch him live again in Antwerp, but what I saw, while impressive for one with a metal hip, does not inspire confidence in him ever being competitive with the top players again.

I know he beat Wawrinka, but I doubt Wawrinka will ever get back to his absolute best, and he choked big time, should never have lost.
 
Gazelle said:
I have no medical expertise, but when Murray first announced that he wouldn't be able to play anymore, then proceeds to play again, I fear he's making an emotional decision (really likes to play) than a rational one (thinking about his health).
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As we've seen, Andy is a very emotional guy and has expressed plenty of emotion about his hip problem in the past 2 years but he's also rational and realistic about it. He genuinely didn't think he could play competitive tennis again after the failure of his first hip surgery but then another surgeon performed a second procedure which has given him hope and we are now seeing the results.

Gazelle said:
One the plus side I got to watch him live again in Antwerp, but what I saw, while impressive for one with a metal hip, does not inspire confidence in him ever being competitive with the top players again.
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Of course you may be right but his recovery is still very much a work in progress and I doubt he even expected to reach the final much less win the title. Still, he came from behind to beat 3 very in-form players in a row so his ability to play is still very much there.

Gazelle said:
I know he beat Wawrinka, but I doubt Wawrinka will ever get back to his absolute best, and he choked big time, should never have lost.
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Although maybe not yet back to full Stanimal mode Stan was in very good form in Antwerp and cruised through most of his rounds. I agree with you that he should have won the final and had plenty of opportunities to do so but Andy has a well established habit of defending an opponent to death and getting in their heads. That is what probably caused Stan to choke in the crucial moments.
 
Mainad said:
As far as I'm aware, the responses are 'no' in all 3 cases. If that were me, I would be extremely annoyed that a foreign doctor with whom I have had no contact suddenly presumed to comment publicly to the press on my private medical procedures and lecture me to terminate my career immediately.

Whether he turns out to be right or wrong he should back off and mind his own business.
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What's with the fixation with the nationality of the doctor. Absolutely no reason to think that somehow affects his judgement or intent. It's ust silly to suggest so.

The press just sought the opinion of n expert to talk about Andy's case. Maybe a sports journalist actully read about the misgivings of a part of the medical professionals and seeked out specifically that opinion.
It's something that's often critizised when doctors and psyquiatrists and the like give public opinions about known cases. I at least don't have a problem with it. And in this case, he's just giving his opinion. Not "demanding" anything from Andy.

Fedforever said:
I'm on your side here. I mean, sometimes professionals get tricked by being presented with a general question "what are the risks of hip resurfacing" which is then used as if they'd been talking specifically, but this isn't the case here. He knows he's talking about Andy. Surely he trusts that Andy's own advisors will have made clear to him all the possible risks.
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I woudln't put it past some journalists to change the person's words to make it seem like he ws refering to a specific case when they were talking in general. Ive certainly seen that kind of thing before.
 
Cobalt is a metal which helps to create vitamin B12. B12 helps to form red blood cells.

Maybe the natural infusion of Co into Murray's bloodstream is finally going to level things up against the PED 3.

Edit: After re-reading my comments, it appears that "big" was auto-corrected to "PED". How strange.
 
Some people and their assumptions.

Of course Murray knows everything. This is why he is an athlete. They are all incredibly knowledgeable..

He is risking his health. It is his decision. It is also a decision open, and frankly inviting, to be questioned.
 
What all is said and done, I reckon we will discover the surgery was not as extensive as we all assume. The details of what was done have never been made public and it is more than possible that the capping was minimal. Furthermore, he’s not daft and probably gets a scan every week to make sure everything is as it is supposed to. In this day and age, and with the money he has, the hip will be monitored extensively.
 
If it's his decision, why do you feel the need to agree with it?

It is none of your business, as you would say to the good Dr. Rudiger, so stay out of it.

Andy didn't ask the good doctor for an opinion, but you forget the fact that he didn't ask you either.

Mainad said:
I suspect he wouldn't be playing if he knew that to be the case.



Certainly is.



See above.
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i don’t want to get into details of medical advances but if surgery was meant to bring him back to normal life, he should just quit tennis......i mean he should be content with what he achieved in tennis and stop risking his hips even if it’s 10% risk......

someone as great as sampras retired at 31, he can take cues from that......
 
Ginger ninja said:
What all is said and done, I reckon we will discover the surgery was not as extensive as we all assume. The details of what was done have never been made public and it is more than possible that the capping was minimal.
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I suspect you're in the truth.

The surgeon performed a sham surgery: he let the placebo effect cure by itself Andy. Nothing was changed in Andy's hip: but because he assumes he had a surgery the repair his hip, he stopped feeling pain.

This kind of experiment is often done in double blind placebo trials to evaluate the effect of auto-suggestion, which is obviously the case here.
 
Bartelby said:
If it's his decision, why do you feel the need to agree with it?
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Are there never any decisions that YOU agree with or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

Bartelby said:
It is none of your business, as you would say to the good Dr. Rudiger, so stay out of it.
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Exactly right, it's nobody's business but Andy's so you and Dr. Rudiger should stay out of it too. Had he and you done so in the first place we wouldn't be having this pointless exchange.

Bartelby said:
Andy didn't ask the good doctor for an opinion, but you forget the fact that he didn't ask you either.
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I wasn't the one offering an unsolicited opinion in the first place so don't try and turn it around on me just because you've run out of ideas to justify the doctor's unjustified intervention and your meddlesome defence of it.
 
Dr Hannes Rudiger threatens his professional credibility.
 
PrinceMoron said:
At the risk of being pedantic...... You can’t threaten your health, at least not in English you can’t
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TheGhostOfAgassi said:
Not worried for Andy. Hip replacement surgeries have gotten advanced since just 10 years ago. Hip surgery sounds hardcore, but it isn’t anymore. a knee replacement is worse recovery and surgery to do.
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that newspaper is kind of a tabloid, so it's possible that it distorted what this Dr. Rudiger said.
i however believe that mentioned blood poisoning is possible.
it would usually happen very very slowly, so that the concentration doesn't become dangerous,
but for doing as much sport as a tennis pro, there might be insufficient studies yet.
this blood poisoning surely isn't an imediate danger, but it may reduce life expectancy.
if his docs informed Murray about this concern, he would not necessarily decide against it, but may also take the risk.

i'm more curious if he will sustain a fracture though. 8-B
afaik, this surgery is far advanced, but the stress tests are not fully conclusive yet (and there is a lot of stress on the hip in tennis).
 
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Tennis_Hands said:
I bet that the chances that he will be right are much higher than that he will be wrong. I think that he will take that bet over the opposite. His credibility is safe.

:cool:
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If, God forbid, he turns out to be right he can say "I told you so". If (let's all hope) he turns out to be wrong he can just pretend he was misquoted. :rolleyes:
 
Perhaps he is having mechanics inject mechanical oil into his new joint every few weeks to ensure no loss of material? :D
 
van_Loederen said:
that newspaper is kind of a tabloid, so it's possible that it distorted what this Dr. Rudiger said.
i however believe that mentioned blood poisoning is possible.
it would usually happen very very slowly, so that the concentration doesn't become dangerous,
but for doing as much sport as a tennis pro, there might be insufficient studies yet.
this blood poisoning surely isn't an imediate danger, but it may reduce life expectancy.
if his docs informed Murray about this concern, he would not necessarily decide against it, but may also take the risk.

i'm more curious if he will sustain a fracture though. 8-B
afaik, this surgery is far advanced, but the stress tests are not fully conclusive yet (and there is a lot of stress on the hip in tennis).
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My mother is doing hip surgeries, that’s why I’m not so worried. She has been doing this for 20 years now and know how advanced it has become and the expectancy.
I work with people that had that surgery too. I’d rather have a hip surgery than a shoulder or knee surgery for example.
 
Mainad said:
If, God forbid, he turns out to be right he can say "I told you so". If (let's all hope) he turns out to be wrong he can just pretend he was misquoted. :rolleyes:
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He gave his honest professional opinion based on what he knows. I assume that since he was asked he is at least knowledgeable about it, so I have no reason to believe that he was just blowing hot air. I don't even understand what is so controversial about it. I am also pretty certain that regardless of what happens, he won't be making the rounds saying "I told you so" even if he is right (let's hope not).

8-)
 
Enceladus said:
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Actually it is just a non-collocate. At least in any native speaker corpus you might wish to consult.

Murray should watch out with all that lead he uses too. That must be a serious threat to his health. Oh wait, that means what exactly?

You survive Dunblane only to succumb to cobalt poisoning. Life is so cruel.




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... advised the 3-time slam winner to execute extreme caution


What is that supposed to mean?

Oh, exercise extreme caution...

The entire article is a pile of mistranslated rubbish

Who knows what the good doctor said.


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