Andy Murray?

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
What’s wrong with him? He’s acted incredibly volatile since he came back this year, just slammed the racquet vs Zverev. Not just this match, the entire Indian Wells and precious tournaments. I don’t remember him being THIS bad.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
He lost the love of the game he rediscovered in the immediate aftermath of his surgery. He's no longer satisfied with just being out there. He's started letting his ego creep back in, thinking he should be beating all these players even though he can't and it's making him lose his mind on a daily basis.

Maybe I'm just overanalyzing because of that top 100 comment he made the other day, but it really rubbed me the wrong way.
 

Newballs

Professional
I was pulling for Murray, but the match was on the Germans racket the majority of the time I felt.
It was good to see that fight still.
I would have a very difficult time letting go of something I've worked my whole life on/for/towards too.
Especially if I was that good.
 

Rosstour

Legend
Never ceases to amuse me how so many on here keep going on about his 'terrible behaviour'. Which consists of what exactly?

You'd think they were talking about Connors or JMac or Kyrgios or something! :rolleyes:
the constant yapping at his box is the big turnoff for me. That's the one area where he just seems like a typical tennis brat.

And yes he was always cantankerous and the injury hasn't helped.
 
I think Murray has become, because of aging and his injury, a 2000s Tommy Robredo kind of player, someone that beats the non top players, but loses to every top player. For a former number 1 that was in as many major finals as Lendl, that has to hurt.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Never ceases to amuse me how so many on here keep going on about his 'terrible behaviour'. Which consists of what exactly?

You'd think they were talking about Connors or JMac or Kyrgios or something! :rolleyes:
True and weird Safin always got a pass.
 

goldengate14

Professional
Never ceases to amuse me how so many on here keep going on about his 'terrible behaviour'. Which consists of what exactly?

You'd think they were talking about Connors or JMac or Kyrgios or something! :rolleyes:
Especially when it is Djokovic fans criticising which seems a bt pot and kettlish to me
 

goldengate14

Professional
Never ceases to amuse me how so many on here keep going on about his 'terrible behaviour'. Which consists of what exactly?

You'd think they were talking about Connors or JMac or Kyrgios or something! :rolleyes:
Murray played well today his main issue is the serve as he too often throws in a rank bad game on serve. I think he lacks belief that he can truly challenge for the biggest events. I think he can as the reality is the younger players have a lot of weaknesses technically and mentally. I felt today at 3-0 first set he went too passive. That was the moment to play like he did in 2nd set and put the hammer down.
Lots of positives and also for Zverev as that court does not suit him with the balls they are using. Best match so far by a distance
 

Kralingen

Legend
Andy Murray was a 3x Slam winner and World #1 who had to prepare to go into battle with 3 of the best players ever at their absolute peaks. He knows the stakes when it comes to high level competition better than anyone.

So to me the problem is Muzzah genuinely believes he is still a top 3 player at his best - how could he not? Thus he believes he should be winning every point and committing fully, because that’s how he’s always played. I don’t notice any “worse behavior” than his prime years.

In fact it is absolutely nothing new. Problem is he’s down in matches so often whereas in his prime he won nearly all of them. Thus the antics and frustration (which were always there) are more visible bc he’s playing like sh-t for his standards. It’s like no one else saw the angry raging Muzzah in the 2010s who looks filled with pure rage at himself every time he missed a 2nd serve. He (and Kim even) has always been a livewire emotionally.

Basically: his body is letting him down and he’s overcompensating by going back to the antics that got him there, hyper perfectionism, intensity (yelling at box, throwing rackets, etc) which were tactics that he previously used to hype himself up. I don’t put much stock into what players do on court, unlike most.. their antics are likely practiced psychological reactions to give them an energy boost or help them refocus. Muzzah is genuinely mad at himself, but he would get just as mad at himself if he played like this in 2013 or 2016 too.
 

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
He lost the love of the game he rediscovered in the immediate aftermath of his surgery. He's no longer satisfied with just being out there. He's started letting his ego creep back in, thinking he should be beating all these players even though he can't and it's making him lose his mind on a daily basis.

Maybe I'm just overanalyzing because of that top 100 comment he made the other day, but it really rubbed me the wrong way.
I didn’t like that comment either. Just put unnecessary pressure on him to try and compete at the highest level again. He’s done well enough with the circumstances, but I also can’t see him going higher than Top 50.
 

nachiket nolefam

Hall of Fame
This guy is getting unhinged on twitter. Definitely not a behavior worthy of former world number 1. Deliberately using cuss words on twitter now.
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
He lost the love of the game he rediscovered in the immediate aftermath of his surgery. He's no longer satisfied with just being out there. He's started letting his ego creep back in, thinking he should be beating all these players even though he can't and it's making him lose his mind on a daily basis.

Maybe I'm just overanalyzing because of that top 100 comment he made the other day, but it really rubbed me the wrong way.
What'd he say?
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
What'd he say?
"My goal is not to get back into the top 100. I want to get back into the top 10. In general, I don't really understand the importance given to this top 100 milestone," Murray said on Friday in Metz.

It just rubbed me the wrong way because he's in an incredibly privileged position and doesn't seem to realize it. The only reason he's been able to compete and play guys like Zverev or Tsitsipas tough is because he's been getting wild cards into every tournament he's played for like 3 years now. Getting into the top 100 doesn't mean anything to him because he's already reaping the benefits of it without being there (automatic entry). And then this guy has the audacity to talk about getting back in the top 10 when he can't string 3 matches together for over 2 years now.

It's just such a stark contrast to how he was talking years ago when he said he didn't care what his ranking was as long as he was able to play again, and I believed him. But apparently the honeymoon's over now and he isn't playing just for the love of the game anymore. Almost beating these top 10 guys seems to make him think he should be back up there with them again, even though it's clearly not the case.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
I truely think the reality of his situation setting in, he can't compete like he used to and never will again and i also think the lack of media attention he has been getting has been a wake up call for him. His time is over both proffesionally and publically and he is having serious trouble letting go. It's why for a while now i have been pushing for him to just accept its over and retire because soon he is going to stop getting wildcards into events and he won't be able to quallify normally and his pride won't handle that but more worryingly is his body might not either.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Hard time for him, because of injuries his career completely got derailed, when ever he was in top form he got injured, feel bad for him
He needs to move on
 

Jokervich

Hall of Fame
I truely think the reality of his situation setting in, he can't compete like he used to and never will again and i also think the lack of media attention he has been getting has been a wake up call for him. His time is over both proffesionally and publically and he is having serious trouble letting go. It's why for a while now i have been pushing for him to just accept its over and retire because soon he is going to stop getting wildcards into events and he won't be able to quallify normally and his pride won't handle that but more worryingly is his body might not either.
I see comments from other people saying his level is not too far off winning a masters title. I'm not sure whether your view or their view is closer to the truth. :unsure:
 

Kozzy

Semi-Pro
I personally love to see him out there, even if he's getting salty here and there. I also think, if he doesn't get re-injured somehow, that he will keep getting better and win more matches.
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
I see comments from other people saying his level is not too far off winning a masters title. I'm not sure whether your view or their view is closer to the truth. :unsure:
Really? Jeez i feel like i'm his only fan that is being realistic these days. The last time he made it past R3 at a masters was in 2016 and he's getting older and more wound up by every loss. Murray was a slam champion able to compete with the best players in history so putting him against the average journeymen of today still gives him the edge in many ways such as tactics and game sense but he is still clearly slower now and even at his absolute best these days, players like Zverev and Tsitsipas are still more than equal to it and they outlast him.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Really? Jeez i feel like i'm his only fan that is being realistic these days. The last time he made it past R3 at a masters was in 2016 and he's getting older and more wound up by every loss. Murray was a slam champion able to compete with the best players in history so putting him against the average journeymen of today still gives him the edge in many ways such as tactics and game sense but he is still clearly slower now and even at his absolute best these days, players like Zverev and Tsitsipas are still more than equal to it and they outlast him.
Not while I'm around. :cool:
 

tex123

Professional
Wilander was on the money but he got a lot of blowback. Getting away from the stage where you belonged is always hard. Here is what he said:

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“I worry about Andy Murray,” said Wilander. “I would love to hear him say why he is out there, giving us a false sense of hope that he is going to come back one day.

“I keep getting a little bit disappointed, is it his right to be out there doing that? Why? I did it and I shouldn’t have, it was the biggest mistake I did in my career.

“I think Andy Murray needs to stop thinking of himself and start thinking about who he was. Does he have a right to be out there taking wildcards from the young players?

“I was 26 when I first retired, came back at 28, played until 32 and there was couple of years I played and should not have taken up the space where there were younger, more motivated players who were better than what I was. It’s tough to quit, for sure. By giving us all hope by playing, it’s just not right. I love the fact that he is back and trying. Hopefully he’ll figure out why he’s doing it.”
 

London007

New User
Get real people, Andy is well aware of his limitations and standing on court. All his energy is now focused on publicity and exploiting the remaining time he has available on court in front of the cameras.

Once he’s used all the wildcards and no longer ends up in front of the camera as a competitor, he knows all that is left is the more boring TV punditry, tennis academy work, sponsorship and ambassador. All of which is very lucrative.

The real crime here is blocking younger players from getting their chance to progress their careers on court whilst in their best years; so Andy can exploit the final months of his career to achieve marginal gains in his media / subject matter expert next phase career.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
He lost the love of the game he rediscovered in the immediate aftermath of his surgery. He's no longer satisfied with just being out there. He's started letting his ego creep back in, thinking he should be beating all these players even though he can't and it's making him lose his mind on a daily basis.

Maybe I'm just overanalyzing because of that top 100 comment he made the other day, but it really rubbed me the wrong way.
Wait what did he say?
 

Hitman

G.O.A.T.
Andy is not in a good place mentally, a part of it is having a tough time accepting his time is up. He does not want to accept it yet.
 

tomkowy

New User
I don’t get it. He’s not losing in first rounds. He has reached third round and lost to one of the top seeds. What was wrong with giving him a wild card? He’s performing better than most of the wild cards given in any tournament.
 

Frenchy-Player

Professional
"My goal is not to get back into the top 100. I want to get back into the top 10. In general, I don't really understand the importance given to this top 100 milestone," Murray said on Friday in Metz.

It just rubbed me the wrong way because he's in an incredibly privileged position and doesn't seem to realize it. The only reason he's been able to compete and play guys like Zverev or Tsitsipas tough is because he's been getting wild cards into every tournament he's played for like 3 years now. Getting into the top 100 doesn't mean anything to him because he's already reaping the benefits of it without being there (automatic entry). And then this guy has the audacity to talk about getting back in the top 10 when he can't string 3 matches together for over 2 years now.

It's just such a stark contrast to how he was talking years ago when he said he didn't care what his ranking was as long as he was able to play again, and I believed him. But apparently the honeymoon's over now and he isn't playing just for the love of the game anymore. Almost beating these top 10 guys seems to make him think he should be back up there with them again, even though it's clearly not the case.
 

goldengate14

Professional
Wilander was on the money but he got a lot of blowback. Getting away from the stage where you belonged is always hard. Here is what he said:

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“I worry about Andy Murray,” said Wilander. “I would love to hear him say why he is out there, giving us a false sense of hope that he is going to come back one day.

“I keep getting a little bit disappointed, is it his right to be out there doing that? Why? I did it and I shouldn’t have, it was the biggest mistake I did in my career.

“I think Andy Murray needs to stop thinking of himself and start thinking about who he was. Does he have a right to be out there taking wildcards from the young players?

“I was 26 when I first retired, came back at 28, played until 32 and there was couple of years I played and should not have taken up the space where there were younger, more motivated players who were better than what I was. It’s tough to quit, for sure. By giving us all hope by playing, it’s just not right. I love the fact that he is back and trying. Hopefully he’ll figure out why he’s doing it.”
Wilander is clueless. Murray just beat alcaraz the guy everyone has high hopes for.
i get the sense some fans of the big 3 fear amurray as he will be a dangerous floater capapble of bouncing one of them out of a Major if drawn early.
 

Tmano

Hall of Fame
He's just really upset because he's having a hard time accepting that because of his hips he'll never be able to compete as he once did. He was very good for a long time. Now he's just a competitor. That would p!ss me off too.
Excactly! He was the world #1 and in the top 4 players since the injury. Last night with Zverev showed why. Not talking about the power but the technique and touch.
He knows he the time is ticking and may have not much time left to play at a good level or to reach his old level perhaps.
Forza Andy!!!!!
 
Never ceases to amuse me how so many on here keep going on about his 'terrible behaviour'. Which consists of what exactly?

You'd think they were talking about Connors or JMac or Kyrgios or something! :rolleyes:
Don't think he is really behaving badly really but just like zverev he always had that negative body language when it is not going well which is making him a bit unlikable on court. Of the court and even on the court he mostly behaved very well but I understand why some people would be turned off by this self derogatory negative body language and expressions on court. Novak has a bit of that too unlike fedal who only very rarely show negative emotions on court
 

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
He's always had a bad temper, I remember really criticising him when he shouted at his box and his pregnant wife was in that box. We all do things in the heat of the moment though, not an excuse.

Outside of tennis he seems to be ok, he's a bit preachy and b1tchy but multi millionaires tend to be like that.
 
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