Andy Roddick calls 2015 Federer post prime *Tennis world in shock*

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Andy Roddick
vs
Roger Federer, the McEnroe brothers, Borg, Sampras, Wilander, Becker, Berdych, Henman, Soderling and many more.

Hmm, who I should believe now!? :oops: :unsure:
 
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Andy Roddick
vs
Roger Federer, McEnroe, Borg, Sampras, Wilander, Becker, Berdych, Henman, Soderling and many more.

Hmm, who to believe now!? :oops: :unsure:
Add Tony, Rafa, Safin, Haas, Ferrero,Laver, Paes to Team Roddick. And those are just from the top of my head.

And The first post in these threads is all about lowering the impact of the words said, shows how petty people on either side of the debate truly are, how insecure both sides are about their beliefs.


This entire "Thus spoke he" pissing contest is the worst thing on the forum. People God gave you all a brain. Use it.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
this thread is pointless, because the Djokodal trolls will still repeat that "2015 was prime Fed" like a broken record and the rest already knew that it’s not true before Roddick said anything.
Yeah, I wouldn't know Fed is past his prime in 2015 if not for A-Rod. Loses to Seppi in a HC slam, goes down in straights to his pigeon Stan at the FO (freakin' Nadal usually needed 4 sets to finish off Fed there) and ends year ranked behind Murray.
2004-2007 Fed won 7/8 HC slams, one lost against a zoning Safin in a tight 5 setter but Seppi lol.

Using your own brain to form an opinion based on following the game seems to have become a novel concept.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
Add Tony, Rafa, Safin, Haas, Ferrero,Laver, Paes to Team Roddick. And those are just from the top of my head.

And The first post in these threads is all about lowering the impact of the words said, shows how petty people on either side of the debate truly are, how insecure both sides are about their beliefs.


This entire "Thus spoke he" pissing contest is the worst thing on the forum. People God gave you all a brain. Use it.
That's very nice of you.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Obviously not. Read the room.
Nah, I get it. But this is still going down the road of "this pro said this", "that pro said that" nonsense.

You're not going to affect the opinion of Nadal and Novak fanbases, they'll hop on to some other tennis pundit nuts and continue waxing about the peak 35+ year old Fed, strongest current era etc. etc.

What would change/adjust their views would be if a young ATG emerged among the social media gen, don't hold your breath on that happening.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
You can't watch and make up your own mind? Pretty poor, not sure what you're doing on a tennis forum.
That's asking for a bit too much. I would love one day to see the argument/analysis on how many HC slams would Seppi win in super weak, transitional 2004-2007 though.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Nah, I get it. But this is still going down the road of "this pro said this", "that pro said that" nonsense.

You're not going to affect the opinion of Nadal and Novak fanbases, they'll hop on to some other tennis pundit nuts and continue waxing about the peak 35+ year old Fed, strongest current era etc. etc.

What would change/adjust their views would be if a young ATG emerged among the social media gen, don't hold your breath on that happening.
I don't base my opinions on what the pro's think. However considering the amount of trolling from those fanbases on this subject if a "so called expert" (one whose views on "tennis evolving" they've been championing for the last couple of weeks) offers a different point of view you bet I'm going to post it.

Perhaps I should be above this tit for tat and stoking the flames - but I'm not. If you are then more power to you.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
I don't base my opinions on what the pro's think. However considering the amount of trolling from those fanbases on this subject if a "so called expert" (one who's views on "tennis evolving" they've been championing for the last couple of weeks) offers a different point of view you bet I'm going to post it.

Perhaps I should be above this tit for tat and stoking the flames - but I'm not. If you are then more power to you.
Ok, I see your point. I'm not above mud slinging, giving fanatics a taste of their own medicine etc. generally speaking.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
July'15-'Jan'16 Fed very underrated

Rod has it right once again.

Only difference of opinion we had lately is I rated him higher than he does himself. We agreed we'd both like to do his wife, and we also agreed my backhand is prettier than his.

wat.
 
July'15-'Jan'16 Fed very underrated

Rod has it right once again.

Only difference of opinion we had lately is I rated him higher than he does himself. We agreed we'd both like to do his wife, and we also agreed my backhand is prettier than his.

wat.
You alright mate?
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic against Big4:

14-2 from 2011 Australian Open to 2012 Australian Open
22-4 from 2014 Paris to 2016 Rome QF

:love: highest level of tennis ever
 
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beard

Hall of Fame
It's nice to hear Fed prime depending on Djokovic...

All this prime-non prime story is dubious... Most often it depends of winning against top players... You win-you are in prime, you lose-you are not in prime...

Most commonly from Fed fans we hear that he lost half of step or similar... But can we measure what he gained with extra years? Don't you remember how good Fed played that slams he lost against Djokovic 14/15? Had he played any other in finals...
 
It's nice to hear Fed prime depending on Djokovic...

All this prime-non prime story is dubious... Most often it depends of winning against top players... You win-you are in prime, you lose-you are not in prime...

Most commonly from Fed fans we hear that he lost half of step or similar... But can we measure what he gained with extra years? Don't you remember how good Fed played that slams he lost against Djokovic 14/15? Had he played any other in finals...
Seppi = boat.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, I wouldn't know Fed is past his prime in 2015 if not for A-Rod. Loses to Seppi in a HC slam, goes down in straights to his pigeon Stan at the FO (freakin' Nadal usually needed 4 sets to finish off Fed there) and ends year ranked behind Murray.
2004-2007 Fed won 7/8 HC slams, one lost against a zoning Safin in a tight 5 setter but Seppi lol.

Using your own brain to form an opinion based on following the game seems to have become a novel concept.
Seppi 2015 was a better player than Safin 2005, because evolving.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Add Tony, Rafa, Safin, Haas, Ferrero,Laver, Paes to Team Roddick. And those are just from the top of my head.

And The first post in these threads is all about lowering the impact of the words said, shows how petty people on either side of the debate truly are, how insecure both sides are about their beliefs.


This entire "Thus spoke he" pissing contest is the worst thing on the forum. People God gave you all a brain. Use it.
Well, it seems, God wasn't too generous in your case then. :(
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Most wins over Big4 in a season:

2015 Djokovic 15
2011 Djokovic 12
2008 Nadal 11
2007 Nadal 9
2012 Djokovic / 2014 Djokovic 8
2009 Nadal / 2010 Federer / 2011 Nadal / 2013 Nadal / 2016 Djokovic / 2019 Thiem 7

Federer not even best in the six best, and just 1 of the best 13.

He was good at beating Roddick though.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
This thread is about Arod's comments. Guess you have no answer to it. Perhaps start your own thread on "H2H stats versus Big 4" or bump one of your old ones.
It's an interesting opinion from Roddick. All opinions from pro players are intersting. But what answer shold I give to him? He's not even reading.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
It's an interesting opinion from Roddick. All opinions from pro players are intersting. But what answer shold I give to him? He's not even reading.
Well when Arod said tennis had moved past him you needed to change your pants. I just find it funny how his opinion on one subject can be gospel and on another it's "an interesting opinion" and not worth a comment :unsure:

It's like when Fed says he's at his best you lap it up but when he says he had mono you don't believe him...

:-D
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
to leave the fan war axe behind for a moment, can we agree that Roddick is a good tennis pundit and commentator? Such as here, he's giving an account that is generous to both players, not too clouded by any obvious agenda, and spices it up with both some humor and tennis knowledge.
Yeah as far as talking heads go Arod is one of the best in recent times.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Well when Arod said tennis had moved past him you needed to change your pants. I just find it funny how his opinion on one subject can be gospel and on another it's "an interesting opinion" and not worth a comment :unsure:

It's like when Fed says he's at his best you lap it up but when he says he had mono you don't believe him...

:-D
You didn't look very passionate about Roddick's words in that thread either :sneaky:
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
I enjoyed Roddick's overall commentary here - especially (in a quick segment) he:

#praised Roger for being able to stay at/near the top for so long
##lauded Novak for how good he is strategically
### re: the lack of crowd support, both the Beatles and Bambi analogies were terrific.

Of course, it's a big ask to (ask) any player to be at the top for 10, 12, 17 years. What Fed has done - and what Rafa and Novak are doing - is remarkable. But, why do all insecure fan bases weaponize these logical words in order to "win" pointless, often irrational arguments?
 

thrust

Hall of Fame
Nah, I get it. But this is still going down the road of "this pro said this", "that pro said that" nonsense.

You're not going to affect the opinion of Nadal and Novak fanbases, they'll hop on to some other tennis pundit nuts and continue waxing about the peak 35+ year old Fed, strongest current era etc. etc.

What would change/adjust their views would be if a young ATG emerged among the social media gen, don't hold your breath on that happening.
to leave the fan war axe behind for a moment, can we agree that Roddick is a good tennis pundit and commentator? Such as here, he's giving an account that is generous to both players, not too clouded by any obvious agenda, and spices it up with both some humor and tennis knowledge.
True! I was never a Roddick fan, but I have come to like him more recently. Whether Fed was at his peak or near peak in the three Wimbledon and one US final vs Novak, I believe no other player those years would have defeated Roger in those finals, especially at Wimbledon.
 
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