Djokovic went crazy because PCB broke his serve and he couldn't stand the Spanish player serving to win the set, hence his outburst in which the lineswoman suffered the consequences.She saved tennis
Andy Roddick cooks the PTPA
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PCB was going to win that match.
His approaches to the net against Federer are already a classic in tennis schools on how not to do it.
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Are they referring to TTW?
mike danny
Bionic Poster
So now Roddick's statement has no value for Djokovic fans, huh.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
lol, Roddick is just not a likable guy and media shill.
RS
Bionic Poster
I don't have a stance just found it funny. I agree Fed and Nadal are fairly laid back especially Fed
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Cooking the way Joe Knows cooks his 2k opponents. Why I mention this? I believe Joe Knows looks like Andy Roddick. I told him he reminds me of a Roddick that talks more sense.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
The margins drove Novak wild lol
How close Djokovic was to winning USO
Once Twice I feel uncertain whether or not he should have been defaulted,.
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t-pain1991
Rookie
Anyone saw the recent podcast where Andy invited Ahmad and Vasek? I think he started by wanting to make amends, said something along the line of he is not type of person who holds on to the microphone and wanted to give Ahmad and Vasek the opportunity to share their perspectives. Then he proceeded to blast/interrogate/interrupt them the remaining of the show.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Actually the comment section cooked Andy Roddick in the podcast
It's obvious that ptpa wants to be a union but it's impossible to do so when players are from all around the world and every country has different labour laws plus atp is pretty much against any type of action to unionize
So ptpa is doing the best they can as of today but moving towards centralizing decisions affected to players to be involving players. That requires lobbying Congress in USA and other parts of the world. I think they are doing commendable job because most of this will be in background until announcement.
RSJfan
Professional
Of course they gave it the cold shoulder. Why would any of these entities have any interest in rocking the boat and dealing with (in the case of the majors) or ceding power to a new player lead organization. It’s not in their interest — at all. It’s like telling me Starbucks and Amazon are not into unionization efforts at their respective businesses. Wow, what a surprise! The issue is not the obvious response from these entities it’s the difficulty in organizing a player “union“ when the players are not similarly situated. I’m sure Charlie is a nice guy and would be sympathetic with and possibly agree with many concerns of random player X but he isn’t going to rock the boat — he’s doing very well thank you.
The majors obviously gave it the cold shoulder as it was intended to extract more of their revenue for the players. Fedal were doing more than fine with the current structure both money-wise and being able to do what they want (see, e.g., Laver Cup). It’s a star driven sport and the stars don’t want to rock the boat. So it was always a very difficult task Egg took on. I kinda recall reading that the business head of the PTPA couldn’t even get his call to the USTA returned. At the end of the day you need to be able to say, “you’re making $500 million in revenue and 15% (approx.) for the players isn’t cutting it. You don’t want to talk to us, fine, we have this list of players and we’re not showing up at your event. Good luck paying your debt.” This is difficult to coordinate to say the least given you have a bunch of independent contractors who are so far from being similarly situated they may as well be from different planets. If this were a group of longshoreman you could make it work. Egg who is as well situated as Fedal didn’t need to try to improve conditions for players generally let alone the low ranked players. He deserves credit for trying and I bet he’s partly responsible for getting them more early round major money. It didn’t just magically happen.
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RSJfan
Professional
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
What is he actually trying to do though?
Yes it's difficult to coordinate, but it would go a long way towards progress if Novak himself said he wasn't going to play. A lot of players would probably follow his lead if he was willing to do that. It's never going to happen unless a big star takes the leap. He already has the major record and Fedal aren't around to counter him at the top. Now is the time if he's ever going to be serious about it.
RSJfan
Professional
I haven’t thought of it or read about it in a while but I think a large macro concern was more money (as well as more player control over governance). It’s a worldwide sport and the players don’t make the same money as with other popular sports that are league sports like MLB. So where is the money and how do we get it.
And one source are the four majors. But they have no incentive whatsoever to sit down with the PTPA.I couldn’t agree more that he needs to use his power while he has it — which is only while he’s active on tour and it’s waning fast and really at this point you‘d need to get Sinneraz on board if you want to apply real pressure. And you have the same dilemma. Those two are doing fantastically well so they won‘t be joining any kind of revolution [and Sinner has some other issues he’s focused on now]. What I think is different now than a few years ago when PTPA was formed is you may actually have alternatives. For example, the possibility that the Saudis might want to finance an alternative tour.
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MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
It's probably unlikely, but he has a much better chance of influencing those young guys than when the top players were his contemporary rivals.
Even if no one follows him, I think it's probably worth boycotting all on his own. That would make huge headlines and at least get the conversation going.
RSJfan
Professional
Did Dickrod mention how he beat Egg at the AO when Egg was 12 years old?
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RSJfan
Professional
He should do it. He‘s accomplished just about everything you can in the sport. He could now transcend the sport and try to shape it’s future. Apart from a few stat nerds, does anyone really think of BJK for her on court tennis accomplishments? She’s most known for and will be remembered I think mostly because she helped better the sport for women. Egg could be the hero no one asked for.
“It always seems impossible until it's done.” — Nelson Mandela
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The PTPA is still a thing? I accomplished more just getting out of bed this morning than it has in its 5 years of existence
RSJfan
Professional
What is your beef with the PTPA? Is it simply because Egg is a founder or is it because you have an issue with a player only association that might potentially move money and control of the sport towards the players? Are you a tournament owner/ATP management stooge?The PTPA is still a thing? I accomplished more just getting out of bed this morning than it has in its 5 years of existence
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Where in my poast did I even mention Joker?What is your beef with the PTPA? Is it simply because Egg is a founder or is it because you have an issue with a player only association that might potentially move money and control of the sport towards the players? Are you a tournament owner/ATP management stooge?
You guys are way too thin skinned over this subject The PTPA has simply been an abject failure when it comes to making a positive difference for the players. Not only that, it’s redundant. The ATP was created in the first place to protect the interests of and represent the players. And if anything Pospisil is the biggest advocate of the PTPA…and he couldn’t be more irrelevant. Which is fitting since so is the PTPA.
RSJfan
Professional
You didn’t mention Egg. I’m speculating on what your issue with the PTPA is. Whether your issue is the PTPA itself or Egg, or both.Where in my poast did I even mention Joker?
Who are “you guys?” Please don‘t even try to lump me in with the Eggvaxers.
I already gave my opinion on the difficulties faced by the PTPA. That what it is attempting is hard is not a reason to disparage it. And it’s “redundant” is a line that is given by the powers currently in charge and those that most benefit from it which IMO are not players generally. It isn’t much different than the spin any company uses when trying to thwart a union drive — what do you need that for your interests are being represented right now; you’ll be worse off.
At the time the ATP was formed the sport as a professional money making endeavor was in a nascent stage and the players did the best they could. They needed certain tournaments to get going with a tour. Over time and as the sport grew during the heady 70s/80s the original association didn’t really work all that well for the players and in the late 80s they revolted and made major changes — and #1 Wilander and B. Gilbert and Noah among others were on board at the infamous Parking Lot Press Conference. Other top players like Boris, Edberg and JMac backed them. It’s time for the players to complete what they started in ‘88 to take more control (and make more money) and jettison the tournament owners and form their own association.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Better than becoming Saudi tennis ambassador.The PTPA is still a thing? I accomplished more just getting out of bed this morning than it has in its 5 years of existence
gamelovergold
Semi-Pro
Fedrer and rafa had huge influences and could have done much for lesser players but they did nothing . Andy roddick no matter how good player he was should not blow the horn without proper enquiry.
Rome was not built in a day.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
If you think this is some kind of “gotcha” moment it’s really not, lol. I’ve voiced my disappointment and disagreement with RAFA’s decision there…This also doesn’t address how weak and ineffective the PTPA has been. You tried though
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Djo's track record doesn't inspire confidence. It's as simple as that. No wonder Medvedev is the only slam winner in his club.
He couldn't successfully manage a small tennis center in his own country to support young players. Now he expects everyone to trust him to oversee international tennis?
AO22 was a good exit opportunity imo. It highlighted that he didn't really care about other players, and the players showed that they didn't have his back.
He couldn't successfully manage a small tennis center in his own country to support young players. Now he expects everyone to trust him to oversee international tennis?
AO22 was a good exit opportunity imo. It highlighted that he didn't really care about other players, and the players showed that they didn't have his back.
Prize money has been increasing for years. You can thank Big3 rivalry, especially the Fedal rivalry for that. Yes, Djo is partly responsible too in that sense. When Robredo retired in 2022, he thanked Big3 rivalry and popularity for making the first-round prize money increase 10-fold over the course of his career.
Nolebots held the line again.
Someone posted the link on the Serbian tennis forum.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Is every post sui generis for you? I have well earned anti-Eggbot cred.
He’s accomplished next to nothing because the task is so difficult. Back when it was first formed I think I suggested it was DOA without Fedal on-board. Now you really need to get Sinneraz.
You’re rehashing the ATP line. I already gave my opinion on why the current powers that be including the ATP would obviously be hostile to its formation. Not incidentally the players council has very limited power to influence things and doesn‘t do jack. Team8, IMG and other entities have more influence. ATP players council is a poor substitute for a players association.
The main issue with the ATP is it’s not a player only association. I don‘t follow the risk of how a players only association like the PTPA morphs over time back into a joint players-tournament owners association. It’s not only money it’s also governance and control, everything from scheduling to drug testing.
As unpleasant as anti-Eggers may find it, Fedal are the villains here and Egg the hero.
He's accomplished next to nothing because the PTPA is just a vehicle for Novak to have more sway and nothing else. It's not like he was asked to serve, this was his baby and the purpose of it is just to pressure the ATP into doing what he wants.
RSJfan
Professional
Some poasters here acting like they got the free luggage
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The point is you made an incorrect assumption about me and my post without any reason to do so. Based on how you reacted to it you gave off the impression that you were an offended Joker fan since they think everything is a slight against him.Is every post sui generis for you? I have well earned anti-Eggbot cred.
He’s accomplished next to nothing because the task is so difficult. Back when it was first formed I think I suggested it was DOA without Fedal on-board. Now you really need to get Sinneraz.
You’re rehashing the ATP line. I already gave my opinion on why the current powers that be including the ATP would obviously be hostile to its formation. Not incidentally the players council has very limited power to influence things and doesn‘t do jack. Team8, IMG and other entities have more influence. ATP players council is a poor substitute for a players association.
The main issue with the ATP is it’s not a player only association. I don‘t follow the risk of how a players only association like the PTPA morphs over time back into a joint players-tournament owners association. It’s not only money it’s also governance and control, everything from scheduling to drug testing.
As unpleasant as anti-Eggers may find it, Fedal are the villains here and Egg the hero.
It’s sounds like a pretty weak excuse to me. The fact of the matter is even Joker hasn’t put that much effort into the project…which says a lot since he’s the co-founder. And I actually don’t blame him there since he was chasing tennis records. That’s what he should be doing.
The ATP player’s council has done far more for the players than the PTPA has lol. Prize money for the lower ranked players has exploded over the years. The biggest problem with money is that it’s never enough.
The risk with any organization with power is that eventually no matter how well intentioned it starts off it always ends up becoming corrupted. You can point to virtually every industry or government in the world and see it miles away. And again, Fedal and the player’s council have accomplished more for the lower ranked players in terms of negotiating for larger prize money than the PTPA has. As it stands right now Joker and Pospisil’s PTPA is a well intentioned idea that hasn’t gotten off the ground. And how can it when it’s most important founder hasn’t put the time or energy into making sure it does.
RSJfan
Professional
You were hunting for Eggbots — a fun and useful hobby — but you struck out big time with me.
We need not go around and around on the utility of a players only association, whether Egg lead or otherwise. I don’t have much more than I said years ago. We simply disagree. I agree the PTPA appears a bust but that is not surprising. Fedal de facto killed its chances to succeed at inception by not supporting it.
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Again, you made an assumption and now are just doubling down on your mistake since you can’t admit you’re wrong. Like I said, I had completely forgotten that Joker was even associated with the PTPA and even more forgot that organization existed in the first place. That’s how quiet things have been. The entire existence of the PTPA and all its accomplishments can be summed up as: we came up with a name for a new player’s only association.
Dude, you’re the one who made this about Joker, not me. The one thing you got right though. We simply don’t agree.
Then why are you still a Nadal fan... You're a fan of Saudi lol.If you think this is some kind of “gotcha” moment it’s really not, lol. I’ve voiced my disappointment and disagreement with RAFA’s decision there…This also doesn’t address how weak and ineffective the PTPA has been. You tried though
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
Federer negotiated with the slams to give more prize money to players who lost in the first few rounds (starting in 2013), that's far more than the PTPA has done.
He pours money to them....
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Eggbot has a nice ring to it.
Interestingly, most internet bots were once run by a program called Eggdrop.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Lol, nice galaxy brain logic there Einstein. If I called out RAFA about being an ambassador for the Saudi tennis federation then it obviously means I’m no fan of the Saudis. The Bot Bridge really can only regurgitate stats and PavyG tweets
Now objective fans can call out the player they support when they disagree with them. Otherwise you’re essentially just a cult follower. Based on their on the court and off the court behavior, it’s far easier to justify being a RAFA fan than it is a Joker fan.
Egg has no hair, just like the guy who is retiring from tennis.
RSJfan
Professional
I didn’t assume. I asked if your issue was Egg or the PTPA and from your answer it sounds likes both. There is no need to hide that you are an Eggbot hunter. It’s noble work.
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Djo earned the nickname Egg because of the shape of his personal hyperbaric machine.
Rumor has it that he washes it with dirty water, but somehow the water comes out clean. Must be positive thoughts, they say.
Egg doesn't look like Djokovic at all. It's bald lol.
_phantom
Hall of Fame
Egg doesn't look like Djokovic, I agree. File a petition.
The machine he uses has another name - HBOT or hyperbaric oxygen therapy machine.
No escaping from bots.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
You did make an assumption, lol. You assumed my issue with the PTPA is Joker and it’s not. Again, for the third time I didn’t even mention him in my OP. You’re the one who brought him up in the first place. I even said this about him when pressed about what I thought of him regarding his involvement in the PTPA:
You’re just straight up wrong here my guy. My issue is squarely with the PTPA. As an organization it’s superfluous, redundant, ineffective, and all talk.
Egg looks like a 0, the amount of time the Saudi tennis ambassador won YEC.
