Andy Roddick's game

Rodzilla

Semi-Pro
Has Andy Roddick's game got back the edge that it used to have?

U.S. Davis Cup captain Patrick McEnroe said ``What I have seen missing a little bit from Andy is that attitude. That in-your-face, sticking-it-to-you attitude,'' ``And I think it'll be back at Wimbledon.''

Will it be back at Wimbledon? I didn't get to watch any of Andy's RG journey since it was so short, but I heard that his game was very off in his loss to Acasuso. It's looking good so far this grass season from what I hear. I want to know if his serve has regained it's consistency and intimidation factor :confused: Is his backhand doing some more damage now? Is the Andy that got back to the Wimbly final back or is he in even better form?

Thanks for your answers and please discuss, discuss,
Rodzilla
 

verdasco67

Professional
cant say it has got back to "the edge"...but his game is looking sharper and a lot better than when he was playing in the FO...probably because he is more comfortable on grass and the speed..
 

barry

Hall of Fame
verdasco67

He did not play long at the French, lost in the 2nd round. With his easy draw Andy should at least make the quarters.

I think the real number 2 seed was Hewitt, ranked 2nd in the world, won Wimbledon, and beat Andy at the Australian.
 
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splink779

Guest
Rodzilla said:
I didn't get to watch any of Andy's RG journey since it was so short, but I heard that his game was very off in his loss to Acasuso.
He changed his style for RG, using higher trajectory on his shots and not trying to smack winners. It was good to try and improve like this, however he just couldn't do it as effectively as he can pull off his power game. But now that the clay season is over he's back to the old Roddick, the second best player in the world on grass.
 

MegacedU

Professional
He's playing a lot cleaner than he used to. His net game has improved considerably as has his backhand. Can't wait to see him in Wimby.
 

iscottius

Professional
his serve and forehand have always been weapons top 10, his return of serve and back hand are sub top 25, and his volleys are sub top 100, his strategy and confidence has also gone down since his departure from brad g.

he will beat everyone he is supposed to beat, but as he gets further along and his power game will no longer allow him to dominate, he will lose. He will not beat any of the top 6 grass court players or nadal.

Not over-rating nadal, but he is too fierce a competitor and will play well even on a surface not suited to his game.
 
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splink779

Guest
iscottius said:
his serve and forehand have always been weapons top 10, his return of serve and back hand are sub top 25, and his volleys are sub top 100, his strategy and confidence has also gone down since his departure from brad g.

he will beat everyone he is supposed to beat, but as he gets further along and his power game will no longer allow him to dominate, he will lose. He will not beat any of the top 6 grass court players or nadal.

Not over-rating nadal, but he is too fierce a competitor and will play well even on a surface not suited to his game.
Some of you are being a tad excessive with the Roddick bashing. His returns aren't sub 25 and his volley are definitely not sub 100. Sure those are his weaknesses in the top but Roddick is an extremely good tennis player. The bottom line is he is the 2nd best on grass on earth, and his results of the past and the present are proof.
 

fist pump

Rookie
i think he is working on some things that you might not see the results really quick and maybe in the long run youll see him play better .
 

MegacedU

Professional
splink779 said:
Some of you are being a tad excessive with the Roddick bashing. His returns aren't sub 25 and his volley are definitely not sub 100. Sure those are his weaknesses in the top but Roddick is an extremely good tennis player. The bottom line is he is the 2nd best on grass on earth, and his results of the past and the present are proof.
Amen and high five.
 

iscottius

Professional
splink779 said:
Some of you are being a tad excessive with the Roddick bashing. His returns aren't sub 25 and his volley are definitely not sub 100. Sure those are his weaknesses in the top but Roddick is an extremely good tennis player. The bottom line is he is the 2nd best on grass on earth, and his results of the past and the present are proof.
I am not trying to be excessive or bashing Roddick, I believe that my assessment is accurate. He stands so far back on his return of serve and does not take anytime away from his opponnent- saying they are outside the top 25 is accurate. I also can't remember ever anyone at the professional level that comes to net who volleys as bad as or has looked as bad as roddick. There are many clay court players who never come to net that I have seen volley better than roddick. I also think that the level of play, or the amount of players on tour who can win each week has increased tremendously and will make it harder for anyone to win.
 
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splink779

Guest
In my opinion, his volleys are better than at least 14 of the top 25 right now. Look at the entry ranking and tell me that his volleys are worse than - Coria, Agassi, Canas, Johansson, Ferrer, Gonzales, etc.
 

Max G.

Legend
Roddick, BTW, HAS played some doubles. He's beaten some pretty good players in doubles - him and Brian Vahaly took down the Bryans last year, he's been ranked as high as 87 despite never playing anywhere NEAR a full doubles schedule. He's won 2 doubles titles in his career.

What, do you think his serve alone is winning him doubles matches? Or is it his forehand?

No matter how you twist it, you can't win in doubles without hitting good returns of serve at the very least. And I think that you need to be able to volley a bit for doubles too. A serve will help you hold serve, but won't help your partner hold.

I think the fact that he's also had doubles results indicates that his volleys are at least competent, and certainly not "out of the top 100"-level.
 

iscottius

Professional
Max G. said:
Roddick, BTW, HAS played some doubles. He's beaten some pretty good players in doubles - him and Brian Vahaly took down the Bryans last year, he's been ranked as high as 87 despite never playing anywhere NEAR a full doubles schedule. He's won 2 doubles titles in his career.

What, do you think his serve alone is winning him doubles matches? Or is it his forehand?

No matter how you twist it, you can't win in doubles without hitting good returns of serve at the very least. And I think that you need to be able to volley a bit for doubles too. A serve will help you hold serve, but won't help your partner hold.

I think the fact that he's also had doubles results indicates that his volleys are at least competent, and certainly not "out of the top 100"-level.
I haven't seen roddick play doubles, but I have seen him play singles, and his volleys are sub par, too many times he floats them back and gives his opponent a sitter, or misses into the net. as for his returns, he stands too far back. let's watch his wimbledon matches (god knows all his matches will be on tv) and see how well he volley's & returns.
 
iscottius said:
I haven't seen roddick play doubles, but I have seen him play singles, and his volleys are sub par, too many times he floats them back and gives his opponent a sitter, or misses into the net. as for his returns, he stands too far back. let's watch his wimbledon matches (god knows all his matches will be on tv) and see how well he volley's & returns.
If you have seen his Wimby final against Roger last year, you will know he can volley quite well at times. He has also done some great volleying against Safin in last years Cup.
 
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splink779

Guest
If you want to see him return and volley well, I reccomend watching the Masters Cup last year against henman. The score was 7-6, 7-5 I beleive, and Roddick was volleying like Henman and had three amazing shots (including returns) in a row to win the set. Some of his best stuff.
 
There was also a bit of talk about his form last year. I think this stems from him not doing well in the clay court season just before wimbledon.

But I think Roddick will get to the finals without having to hit many volleys.
 

Rodzilla

Semi-Pro
Tennis Ball Hitter said:
There was also a bit of talk about his form last year. I think this stems from him not doing well in the clay court season just before wimbledon.

But I think Roddick will get to the finals without having to hit many volleys.
yeah, I don't think Andy needs to rely on his volleys. His serve will take care of most of the business. But like he said, hitting solid returns and threatening to break will be key and only help his cause.
 

iscottius

Professional
Rodzilla said:
yeah, I don't think Andy needs to rely on his volleys. His serve will take care of most of the business. But like he said, hitting solid returns and threatening to break will be key and only help his cause.
rodzilla,
I agree
 

Defcon

Hall of Fame
To me one of the weakest parts of his gameis movement and footwork. Too often I see Roddick in awkward positions due to poor footwork. I think this is one of the main reasons his volleys are bad. I'm sure during hitting sessions he can volley fine, but he does not move to the ball and if he's not in a good position, he does not have the touch or creativity to come up with something and ends up flubbing the shot.

And I have to say that consistently returning serve, even 2nd serves , 10ft behind the baseline is stupid.
 

Max G.

Legend
Defcon said:
To me one of the weakest parts of his gameis movement and footwork. Too often I see Roddick in awkward positions due to poor footwork. I think this is one of the main reasons his volleys are bad. I'm sure during hitting sessions he can volley fine, but he does not move to the ball and if he's not in a good position, he does not have the touch or creativity to come up with something and ends up flubbing the shot.

And I have to say that consistently returning serve, even 2nd serves , 10ft behind the baseline is stupid.
Good points, I agree.
 

A-Rod6600

Rookie
Although the clay results haven't been that good, i've seen many improvements in andy's game: he has eventually lost after hard fights: down to verdasco in rome 76 67 46, to massu in hamburg 67 64 57 and to acasuso in roland garros 68 at the fifth set. He has had a lack of determination and mental strenght to carry out the work but he moves better around the court and he has understood the importance of fighting in long rallies. he has lost a little bit in power as well as in self-confidence maybe due to federer's reign, hewitt's come back, nadal's explosion. Having a look at wimbledon draw he'll have an easy semifinal...
 

ezdude1970

Semi-Pro
iscottius said:
his serve and forehand have always been weapons top 10, his return of serve and back hand are sub top 25, and his volleys are sub top 100, his strategy and confidence has also gone down since his departure from brad g.

he will beat everyone he is supposed to beat, but as he gets further along and his power game will no longer allow him to dominate, he will lose. He will not beat any of the top 6 grass court players or nadal.

Not over-rating nadal, but he is too fierce a competitor and will play well even on a surface not suited to his game.
Please don't start with Nadal here, Nadal will be out during week one (1), as day one showed clay court specialists have no business at Wimbeldon (Puerta, Robredo both out)! Nadal will join them pretty soon. Gasquet will take care of him, unless Spadea will take care of business!
 

Docalex007

Hall of Fame
ezdude1970 said:
Please don't start with Nadal here, Nadal will be out during week one (1), as day one showed clay court specialists have no business at Wimbeldon (Puerta, Robredo both out)! Nadal will join them pretty soon. Gasquet will take care of him, unless Spadea will take care of business!
I concur with this
 

Max G.

Legend
Well, Spadea's not really much of a grasscourter either. Nadal's got his chances in that match.

Then in the second round, it's either Felix Mantilla or Gilles Muller. If Mantilla beats Muller, he'll be a cakewalk for Nadal - Nadal can take claycourter.

But Muller is a dangerous guy - big-serving lefty with flat shots. Muller doesn't like low slices to his forehand, so that's a big liability on grass - but neither Mantilla nor Nadal are really comfortable enough with the slice to give Muller what he hates. And Muller has enough power so that he might be able to just hit through on both the serve and return. That'll be a dangerous match for Nadal, but a winnable one since Muller isn't all that consistent and can be outsteadied, potentially even on grass.

Then the third round - Gasquet should take down Nadal comfortably. I don't see anyone that Gasquet can play in rounds 1 or 2 that he could lose to.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Defcon said:
To me one of the weakest parts of his gameis movement and footwork. Too often I see Roddick in awkward positions due to poor footwork. I think this is one of the main reasons his volleys are bad. I'm sure during hitting sessions he can volley fine, but he does not move to the ball and if he's not in a good position, he does not have the touch or creativity to come up with something and ends up flubbing the shot.

And I have to say that consistently returning serve, even 2nd serves , 10ft behind the baseline is stupid.
I'll throw in my agreement too. Except for the serve footwork is the key to tennis. The main strokes FH, BH, FHV, BHV, aren't that difficult to teach to a moderately coordinated person, IF they get to the ball in time to perform the stroke. As you pointed out the 'trickle down' of Roddick's lazy footwork tarnishes the rest of his game - volleys, BH, and return of serve. I guess he moves well to the forehand because he knows he'll get to take a huge swing at it.

I can't see him getting better after dumping Gilbert. To me it's pretty obvious his new coach is another Yes Man in the mold of Tariq. Andy doesn't want to hear any criticism. I think it's only a matter of time before PMac, the ultimate butt kisser, is Andy's coach.
 

iscottius

Professional
ezdude1970 said:
Please don't start with Nadal here, Nadal will be out during week one (1), as day one showed clay court specialists have no business at Wimbeldon (Puerta, Robredo both out)! Nadal will join them pretty soon. Gasquet will take care of him, unless Spadea will take care of business!
ezdude1970,
i would typically agree with you, but nadal is different...his will to win & atletecism can (not will) allow him to compete even on grass. Gasquet will not beat nadal on grass even though it's gasquets best surface. Nadal will adapt his game & win ugly.
 

Max G.

Legend
iscottius said:
ezdude1970,
i would typically agree with you, but nadal is different...his will to win & atletecism can (not will) allow him to compete even on grass. Gasquet will not beat nadal on grass even though it's gasquets best surface. Nadal will adapt his game & win ugly.
I guess we'll have to disagree there - we'll have to see. ;-)

BTW, I don't think grass is Gasquet's best surface. His best surface is probably still clay. I think it's what he's most used to playing on.
 

friedalo1

Semi-Pro
Puerta out in three sets. Nadal will lose to Gasquet. It be more fun to watch Nadal play Hewitt. Nadal shouts "Vamos", While Hewitt goes" com on"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Max G.

Legend
iscottius said:
when nadal beats gasquet will you all at least acknowledge that this thread existed and that I predicted it?
Sure! IF Nadal beats Gasquet, we'll find this thread and compliment you. ;-)
 

Rodzilla

Semi-Pro
Roddick's game looks really good on the grass, and I finally got to see him play on the stuff yesterday. Roddick's serve is stronger and it was nice to see him serve and volley. His forehand was also still the weapon that it was. His 2h bh and net game have improved. I heard that his match against Bracciali had more net approaches than the one vs. Andreev. What I also noticed is that Roddick utilized the drop shot effectively. No doubt that Roddick is hearing the calls that he is too one-dimensional. It's nice to see him still sticking to his power game, while adapting a mix of the rest.
 

Rodzilla

Semi-Pro
Roddick reverses form on the lawns
American coming on after less-than-impressive start at Wimbledon

COMMENTARY
By Bud Collins
NBC Sports
Updated: 8:48 p.m. ET June 25, 2005

To be honest, I thought Andy Roddick was finished at Wimbledon when he dropped the fourth set of his second-round match to feisty Italian Daniele Braccali.

But he gutted out a five-set win, and now it would be a major disappointment to A-Rod and his fans if he doesn't reach the final. With the exits of Tim Henman and Rafael Nadal the bottom half of the draw has opened up for Roddick.

Finding his game
After Roddick’s first-round match (a win over Jiri Vanek), I didn’t really feel like he was playing the type of tennis that would carry him very far here on the lawns of Wimbledon. But with three matches under his belt, I think he’s getting better and settling into the tournament.

In my estimation in his second-round win against Braccali, Roddick jumped a big hurdle, and I find that very encouraging.

If Roddick had lost that five-setter to Bracciali, it would have been the sixth consecutive five- set match that he dropped.

The win over Bracciali took 22-and-a-half hours to execute because darkness suspended the proceedings on Thursday night after Roddick, who won the first two sets, lost the third-set tiebreaker.

With that 7-5, 6-3, 6-7 (3-7), 4-6, 6-3 win, Roddick certainly has helped along his career five- set record, but it still isn’t up to snuff at 5-7.

Smart enough to adjust
What I liked most about Roddick in that match against Bracciali is the way he switched his game.

I don’t really understand it, but for some reason Roddick loves the baseline, which to me makes him a one-dimensional player. He’s a young guy, he’s tall, he has a huge serve and I would think he’d want to be throwing himself at the net.

But against Bracciali, which was a very difficult match, he figured out that he wasn’t going to beat the Italian Stallion from the back of the court, so he had to be daring and come on in.

That match showed me that Roddick can adapt to situations, which I think is crucial for any top player to be able to do.

In his third-round match on Saturday against Igor Andreev, he was playing the kind of guy he likes to play, a baseliner, albeit a baseliner who is not that good on grass.

Scoring the 6-2, 6-2, 7-6 (7-4) win over the Russian, Roddick didn’t have to go to that other option as he likes to call it, and was able to hang out on the baseline as opposed to moving forward.

He might have gone in a couple of times, but he didn’t have to approach the net very often which I’m sure made him happy -- even if it’s not the strategy I’d prefer to see Roddick play.

Roddick's favorable draw
If Roddick could’ve arranged his half of the draw himself heading into the second week of Wimbledon, I think what he faces would be exactly what he would want.

Next up on his plate is the Argentine scamper, Guillermo Coria, who took five sets in the third round to send Jurgen Melzer back to Austria. It was an impressive win for Coria, but I don’t think he has the goods to challenge Roddick, certainly not on grass.

Roddick has won all four of their past encounters and has only dropped three sets in 11 played against Coria.

In the quarterfinals, I’m expecting Roddick to play No. 9 seed Sebastien Grosjean, who is capable of creating some nervous moments for the American.

While it’s true that Roddick holds an impressive 6-1 record over Grosjean in their previous outings, the Florida-based Frenchman is comfortable on the grass. Proof of that is that he’s reached the semifinals here the past two years and owns a 20-6 record at Wimbledon

The good news for Roddick is that en route to winning his third consecutive title at Queen’s Club earlier this month, he successful took out Grosjean in the quarterfinals.

In the semifinals, Roddick would have to contend with one of four players: Max Mirnyi, Thomas Johansson, David Nalbandian or Richard Gasquet.

I think Nalbandian, who was a finalist here in 2002, could give Roddick the most problems, but I don’t imagine any of those four guys should be able to take him out of the tournament.

Needing to play on the final Sunday
If Roddick doesn’t make it to the final, I can say that I came in here questioning him and where he currently is with his game and I would leave with the same questions.

Certainly, the last time I felt that he played at the top of his game was here in the final against Roger Federer last year. He he'll have to break from a disappointing recent past if he's going to emerge a champion at the All-England Club this summer.

He needs to get back on track as he has fallen from No. 1 in the world to No. 4.

Roddick's the lone American eagle and I’m expecting to see in next Sunday’s final. There's no question his career can use that sort of a boost.

© 2005 MSNBC Interactive
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
his game against andreev was pretty impressive. he had a lot of variation in his game. i dont know if he can pull the same stuff against a stronger opponent, but he is in good form right now.
 

Rodzilla

Semi-Pro
ShooterMcMarco said:
his game against andreev was pretty impressive. he had a lot of variation in his game. i dont know if he can pull the same stuff against a stronger opponent, but he is in good form right now.
Hopefully his game will stay in that same form or get better. As Bud Collins said, Andy should be fine until the finals, where I'm sure he wants to take the next step. Just making the finals would give him a boost, but imagine him winning. As long as Andy continues to stay in good form, he will have a good chance at lifting that trophy.

btw, ShooterMcMarco, how about putting a quote in your signature? :)
 

Bhagi Katbamna

Hall of Fame
I'd like to see him hold the trophy aloft on Sunday for sure. He definitely needs better placement on his serve. He doesn't serve it too much down near the T or in the corner and goes for speed. Someone like Fed can take the speed but it is the placement that kills.
 

davey25

Banned
He has a chance to win the tournament, since his draw is a joke, and Federer or Ancic could both choke in the final and give it to him on a silver platter, or they might choose to play well instead and beat him. Time will tell.
 
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