Andy wants tennis to legalize tantrums

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  1. 15_ounce

    15_ounce Guest

    Seriously, I think he's gone too far. Tennis is supposed to be a gentleman's game. Now he wants to turn it into a riot? I'd rather watch him playing a great game of tennis than watch him ranting and cursing the umpires. If you're allowed freely to bash and throw your racquets, hit the ball hard to the crowd, etc etc etc, somebody will get hurt.

    Roddick: Tennis should be more like wrestling
    Ticker - Thursday, September 1, 2011

    Andy Roddick says that tennis needs to loosen its Code of Conduct rules in order to gain more popularity. Roddick threw his racket and nailed a ball into the stands in Cincinnati during the third set of his 6-7 (5), 7-5, 6-1 loss to Philipp Kohlschreiber.

    “There’s a reason that Monday Night Raw gets better ratings than we do," Roddick said at the U.S. Open. “[Tennis] is the only thing I know where you can break your own stuff and get penalized for it. If you're hurting someone, or someone is in harm's way, you know, I think if you took a poll of who would want to see someone go mental and hit something into the stands or something, I mean, people would probably vote for that. Let's put it this way: [John] McEnroe is still getting endorsements and he's 87 years old, so...I mean, what does that tell you? Love it or hate it, but watch it."

    Roddick believes that he should be held to task if he verbally abuses an official, but does not think that players should be corralled if they are only involved in self-flagellation. In 2008 at the tournament in Miami, Mikhail Youhzny smashed his racket on his head three times until blood ran off his his forehand down past his nose. Roddick thought it added value to the sport and said that the player who is not melting down loses an advantage if an official steps in.

    “How good was that?,” he said of the Miami incident. "Youzhny has never been so famous. Like [boxer Manny] Pacquiao, millions of [You Tube] hits. Listen, I have no issue if the umpire wants to punch himself in the head. I might encourage it. I mean, the guy hit himself in the head. What are you going to do? Give him a warning? If anything, it's a disadvantage to your opponent if the umpire plays a part in you keeping composed. He should let you fall off the wagon. If I see some guy going mental, the umpire is like, No, no, no, warning. I'm like, No, let him go. Let him fall all the way off."

    for someone who's playing so defensively, he's one very violent guy.
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  2. Bud

    Bud Bionic Poster

    Jul 23, 2007
    San Diego, CA
    Roddick's a complete butthole
  3. TopFH

    TopFH Hall of Fame

    Aug 15, 2010
    I'm digging this proposal.
  4. r2473

    r2473 G.O.A.T.

    Aug 14, 2006
    I'd favor making it legal to punch Roddick in the mouth on changovers. It would add some excitment for the fans.
  5. Can't think of a name

    Can't think of a name Rookie

    Aug 7, 2009
    like roddick or not..he has a point. Tennis needs to get off its high horse and deviate from tradition if it wants to gain social acceptance in the present age
  6. FedExpress 333

    FedExpress 333 Professional

    Feb 27, 2011
    New York
    Arghh, i am confused.

    On one hand, in america, Roddick is probably right about this. It would help the sport gain popularity. but it still seems wrong to my tennis ethics...
  7. FD3S

    FD3S Professional

    Mar 20, 2006
    Hey, let's bold some other parts of the article...

    I'm all for this. Some dude (Roddick, Harrison) plays bad and starts imploding? Let him implode without intercession.
  8. Ripster

    Ripster Hall of Fame

    Jun 13, 2007
    :) Good one.
  9. mathieu

    mathieu Rookie

    Sep 29, 2010
    And set a bad example for the millions of kids watching? There's a reason society does not tolerate bad behavior. Why not just let tennis players smoke a joint on the court? Why not let them flip off the opponent or make other obscene gestures?

    I really thought roddick would finally grow up after marrying, but apparently not. Then again, his wife's a complete airhead who doesn't understand the negative consequences of unruly behavior.
  10. FD3S

    FD3S Professional

    Mar 20, 2006
    ... okay, first off? Comparing a self-directed tantrum to smoking marijuana on court is bloody ridiculous. Second, I'm pretty sure that if anyone did make an explicit, obscene gesture to the opponent they would get nailed for it, Davis Cup being the exception because it's Davis Cup and it has the potential to drive everyone present barring the umpires just a little crazy.

    Seriously, if a player is going to fall apart on court, let them. Hell, if anything the kids should be watching - it'll show them what a lack of composure and emotional control will do to your game, and it'll show them really fast how much of a jerk it makes you look like when you explode. I can't think of a player besides Mac whose tantrums have helped them, and even Mac only got a ton of love much later on. Roddick's fits are disgusting to watch (and I say this as a fan of his) but in the end he's only hurting himself and I don't have a problem with the rules reflecting that.
  11. TenFanLA

    TenFanLA Hall of Fame

    Feb 9, 2011
    Andy, the reason McEnroe still gets endorsements at age "87" is because he won 6 more majors than you and Harrison combined. The American public is not watching tennis not because there is no fighting, spitting, swearing, throwing or kicking. They don't tune in because you guys aren't winning. I don't recall the lack of viewership when Sampras and Agassi were winning majors left and right. I don't how it was possible but they did it without throwing their rackets, kicking balls and bullying middle-aged female officials.
  12. Viper

    Viper Professional

    Jun 8, 2005
    Santa Barbara, CA
    While I'm not nearly as harsh on Roddick as others, because ALL tennis players throw fits and act like babies, but this board hates Roddick because a) He's American and b) We can actually understand him. But...

    It's a really bad idea. Tennis has too much tradition, and too much class to allow anything comparable to wrestling.

    However, I don't think players should be punished for racket abuse, as long as it's not excessive. Balls in the crowd, yelling, etc etc should not be allow though.

    BULLZ1LLA Banned

    Jan 31, 2011
    (How far to we have to go back to find when tennis was a "gentleman's game"? It was definitely not a gentleman's game in the 80s and 90s. 70s, maybe, but most things were a gentleman's game back then anyway. Everything has changed since then, and for the better. Robots are boring)
  14. BaboFan

    BaboFan Rookie

    May 19, 2011
    Wow... I like Roddick's humor
  15. HiroProtagonist

    HiroProtagonist Professional

    Jul 23, 2010
    Yes, cause kids are known for their reasoning skills and ability to be objective and not easily influenced by their sporting role models:roll:

    You're about as defensive and tactful as Roddick :neutral:

    No one gives a flying **** that he's American, but I think perhaps American tennis fans should care since he is representing them on an international level and does not do them any favors.
  16. kchau

    kchau Semi-Pro

    May 31, 2006
    i'll allow roddick's tantrums, if sharapova's shrieks are banned.
  17. Ben Hadd

    Ben Hadd Semi-Pro

    Jul 16, 2009
    Planut Urf
    I was never under the assumption that tennis needed to be in a popularity contest. Temper tantrums take away from the game. It's a gentlemans (and ladies) sport, and anyone who wants to act so common certainly deserves a penalty. Let's keep tennis like it is, unless we want to be playing against beer belly'd guys with mustard on their shirt, or BigMike.
  18. Sentinel

    Sentinel Bionic Poster

    Jan 21, 2008
    Totally agree, even that Serena incident "really added value to the sport".
  19. LuvTheGame

    LuvTheGame Banned

    Aug 24, 2011

    Guess the time has come and gone for him to learn the meaning of sportsmanship and control. I think he is having a negative influence on some of the young players, i.e. Ryan Harrison. Tantrums are unbecoming in someone calling himself a pro!
  20. LuvTheGame

    LuvTheGame Banned

    Aug 24, 2011
    International players let their play do the talking. In that case, guess we can expect the lad Roddick's antics only escalate!

    After the way he played in the Davis Cup when we lost against Spain, one would think he'd develop some humility!
  21. tennis_pro

    tennis_pro Bionic Poster

    Feb 10, 2011
    Andy Murray should stop being a big baby if he wants to win a slam. Btw it's nonse...

    ah, Andy Roddick? Then yea, that's a good idea!
  22. Cindysphinx

    Cindysphinx G.O.A.T.

    Aug 31, 2006
    No, no, no. Roddick has it exactly backward.

    If you allow ranting and cursing and ball abuse and racket abuse without penalty, players will do it all the time. It will be common, and it will never make the sports highlight reel.

    The Serena incident made headlines because it was so unusual. If players start doing that all the time, it would be tired and dull.

    I would make one change, though. I would allow racket abuse and ball abuse as much as a player wants. First occurrence is a fine -- 10% of the player's winnings for the tournament. Second occurrence -- additional 40% of the player's winnings. Third occurrence -- remaining 50% of the player's winnings. Fourth occurrence -- default.

    All proceeds go to a charitable fund to buy equipment and coaching for disadvantaged children.
  23. jmverdugo

    jmverdugo Hall of Fame

    Nov 22, 2006
    Houston, TX
    Legalize it! ;)
  24. pvaudio

    pvaudio Legend

    Jul 13, 2009
    And yet, he is a professional. The best of the best. The highest tier in the sport. So explain what part of this makes it okay for him to show already outrageous teenage juniors that it's okay to swear and yell and throw racquets into trees and hit balls onto the football field when they're angry? I think that many of you who are too far removed from junior tennis don't realize how poor boys' attitudes are now. They all carry this sense of fake swagger and entitlement that only for the best of them, remains even after they lose. Roddick is the master of this mentality.
  25. Power Player

    Power Player Talk Tennis Guru

    Sep 2, 2008
    On my iPhone
    It sounds cool, but if it becomes the norm it will be annoying. Kind of like in football, where guys look for a pass interference flag after every pass play.

    What makes meltdowns so fun is that the sport is so classy that the meltdown completely clashes against it. If everyone was melting down all the time, it would be the norm and then become annoying.
  26. willshot

    willshot Semi-Pro

    Jan 21, 2010
    i agree with the proposal! that would be awesome
  27. CCNM

    CCNM Hall of Fame

    Mar 31, 2009
    Albuquerque, NM USA
    Andy R-How old are you???? Even Agassi gave up the rebeliousness as his career progressed. I think we need more Gael Monfils', J.W. Tsongas, A. Petkovics, and Djokovics-guys and girls who are not afraid to put on a show and laugh at themselves.
  28. LanceStern

    LanceStern Professional

    Aug 30, 2008
    Nope, we don't need it.

    The only thing from WWE that they could take is maybe some loaded press conferences that actually promote a rivalry to hype matches.

    Keep the tempers, ball hitting, racket breaking etc out of the sport
  29. Lsmkenpo

    Lsmkenpo Hall of Fame

    Aug 21, 2006
  30. DjokovicForTheWin

    DjokovicForTheWin Banned

    May 30, 2011
    I'm ambivalent about it. On the one hand I can see Roddick's point. On the other he's totally immature. But he's got Brooklyn Decker, he wins.
  31. magnut

    magnut Hall of Fame

    Apr 7, 2011
    At first I was against this but now I am not so sure. It would be fun to watch these idiots makes a$$es out of themselves all the time. It would also eliminate the bias that goes on reguarding giving warnings etc.
  32. heftylefty

    heftylefty Hall of Fame

    Feb 7, 2008
    Long Beach, CA
    When it comes to picking an off-the-chart hot spouse, I will defer to Andy.

    On the direction of tennis...not so much.
  33. Miso

    Miso Rookie

    May 28, 2011
    He needs to stop acting like a baby. That is all he needs to do.

    If a nfl player throws his helmet or takes it off on the field, it's a penalty.

    NBA player throw tantrums, it's a Tech.

    Roddick needs to stop being a baby. Throw your tantrum but don't act like you have no idea what you did wrong when your punished.
  34. magnut

    magnut Hall of Fame

    Apr 7, 2011
    They should institute an on court quiet room and when players have tantrums the chair umpire puts them in timeout for 5 minutes.
  35. FEDEXP

    FEDEXP Professional

    Sep 13, 2005
    Roddick's emotional IQ is way down there.
  36. recreationalplayer

    recreationalplayer Rookie

    Sep 6, 2010
    Roddick Double Faults

    I have tried to like Andy Roddick but no one has ever accused him of being intellectually gifted. He is trying to make a ridiculous analogy between tennis and an entertainment program (Monday Night Raw) that may have a predetermined outcome, is at least loosely scripted and encourages bloodletting as part of its theatrics.

    And as with the McEnroe comment, John McEnroe is an example of a brainy athlete, Roddick would have done better not to have dropped that name.
  37. Raphael

    Raphael Semi-Pro

    Sep 15, 2008
    The ATP could run a contest, with the winners having the chance to punch him in the face during changeovers! :)
  38. sundaypunch

    sundaypunch Hall of Fame

    May 17, 2011
    I'm sure you are joking, but it does highlight the irony. You are given a penalty if you smash your racquet on the ground, yet the women are allowed to scream at the top of their lungs every time they hit the ball.
  39. Banger

    Banger Rookie

    Sep 2, 2006
    Bergen County, NJ
    I dont really approve of Roddicks behavior but what he is saying is correct. We need more hot tempered top players to bring in the viewers. We need more players calling out other players and talking smack and more televised press conferences like in other sports. That video just posted up of jmac and conners, if that scenario happened today it would be all over sportcenter and have 20 million views on youtube. I remember the incident between nadal and soderling where sod was mocking nadals but picking and the incident with nadal and berdych(davis cup?) where they were getting heated with each other. Sorry that is entertaining stuff and tennis needs more of it. My brother and I just saw Haas play his first round match and we were rooting for him to start throwing a tantum and smash his raquet lol. Most of these players are emotional robots (with the exception of maybe joker and roddick, haas) and there needs to be a change to bring in the viewers.
  40. magnut

    magnut Hall of Fame

    Apr 7, 2011
    Yup. I think your pretty much right. With all the behavior managment media coaches its getting to a point where players need to be allowed to be themselves again. Sure it may have some negative effects but overall the game would be better off as you would let players be themselves and more genuine to the sport and its fans.

    I wont even go into Joker that much. I believe he is mocking the insanity of the sport with his antics. Any of you guys ever see Slapshot? (hockey movie with Paul Newman). Even his name ....JOKE- a vich is a slap in the face. Like the whole tour has become a big joke. I mean...... He dances jigs on center court to music after he wins. Like some sort of wanna-be chip in dales dancer. Djokavich is not stupid. He comes from a war torn country such as Serbia. He is mocking the whole ATP/USTA thing. Does anyone see the irony in Djokavich being a fan Favorite while being a Serb?
  41. Devilito

    Devilito Hall of Fame

    Jun 10, 2009
    hear, hear

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