Angell TC90: any feedback?

joohan

Hall of Fame
Hello,

has someone tried/owns this Angell mid? What does it play like compared to well known mids?

Thanks for any contribution.
 

BorgCash

Legend
I have one Vantage 90, it's probably the same as Angell. The racquet is great, i like it very much. I played with different Wilson PS 90 and i like Vantage more. I feel ball better with it.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I have one Vantage 90, it's probably the same as Angell. The racquet is great, i like it very much. I played with different Wilson PS 90 and i like Vantage more. I feel ball better with it.
Thank you for your feedback. I've not played with many mids - Dunlop 4D 100, PS85 TW reissue, PS90 2014, PC600, Vacuum Pro Mid - but I liked them all. Different feel but altogether similar playing characteristics - it's to be expected with similar specs. I like the Vacuum Pro best with PC600 close second.
 

BorgCash

Legend
Thank you for your feedback. I've not played with many mids - Dunlop 4D 100, PS85 TW reissue, PS90 2014, PC600, Vacuum Pro Mid - but I liked them all. Different feel but altogether similar playing characteristics - it's to be expected with similar specs. I like the Vacuum Pro best with PC600 close second.
I played and had (and still have) a lot of mids, i began to use my first graphite mid in '86 (Donnay BB Graphite Club 25 - very close to PS 6.0 85), before i used woody. That days mid meant everything bigger than wood headsize (more than 70"). There were Kneissl White Star (about 77") and Dunlop Max 200G (about 80") and many others that were 85".
I still love to use old 85" mids now, but not on the very fast court.
You have to use good footwork and have good eye-contact to play with mid but if you fast enough to be at the ball and make a full swing it will be fun to play with it.
 

jayserinos99

Hall of Fame
I had a Vantage 90 way back when. Compared to a PS90, the Vantage swung faster through the air. Feel wise, they're all pretty great. Sort of splitting hairs, but what you lose in plow you gain in racquet head speed, so it's sort of a wash. I kind of wish I hadn't sold mine because it was just easy to use.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I played and had (and still have) a lot of mids, i began to use my first graphite mid in '86 (Donnay BB Graphite Club 25 - very close to PS 6.0 85), before i used woody. That days mid meant everything bigger than wood headsize (more than 70"). There were Kneissl White Star (about 77") and Dunlop Max 200G (about 80") and many others that were 85".
I still love to use old 85" mids now, but not on the very fast court.
You have to use good footwork and have good eye-contact to play with mid but if you fast enough to be at the ball and make a full swing it will be fun to play with it.
True. Very few non-mid frames reward proper footwork and stroke mechanics with sensation that midsize frames do.

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@jayserinos99 that's great news. I regret selling Dunlop 4D 100 exactly because of how fast through the air and easy to play it is. I would add PS85, PB10 Mid and even PC600 into the same category of midsize frames - very fast through the air and easier to use than their headsize would suggest.
 
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sma1001

Hall of Fame
PB10 Mid is very easy to use considering it's in the mid category. The sweetspot is bigger than many MPs (i think it's the long main). If the TC90 were similar to that it could be a very good bat indeed.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
PB10 Mid is very easy to use considering it's in the mid category. The sweetspot is bigger than many MPs (i think it's the long main). If the TC90 were similar to that it could be a very good bat indeed.
Yes, it is a magic wand. Another frame I disposed of rather quickly but it was not my fault altogether. My hitting partner borrowed it seeing the smile on my face and he returned money instead. I did not argue at the time as I used the cash to buy PS85 TW reissue.

My preferred specs - 330g unstrung and 10pts HL strung - suggest that PB10 Mid has had a huge impact regarding my racquet preference evolution.
 

The_Racketeer

Professional
As I understand it, the TC90 is not foam filled. If this is the case then it would play very differently than the other Angell's.
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
I want to say it was very recently. There was an announcement on his Facebook. You can probably go through it and find the exact date, I want to say it was less than a year ago.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Just saw your great review on Angell website. How does that 70RA feel?
Hello,

well only tried it with the Halo string yet but the "jump" in stiffness I expected coming from 63RA TC95 did not happen. It feels crisper but very toasty and sweet if that makes sense. I have to try it with full poly to make a proper comparison but the feel is awesome...very much reminiscent of the Fischer Vacuum Pro I'm mentioning in my review and that feels like "a cracker dipped in milk and honey" as I like to say...
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Thanks, great review indeed! Now I'm tempted to try TC90 myself
What is the durability of full bed Halo by the way?
First of all I like how Halo works together with the 90 and the feel it produces but it all ends there I'm afraid. After 2-3 hours strings started to move around and I've experienced slight launching when going all out on a stroke. Spin is lacking a lot compared to a poly. All in all, I won't be buying any more of the Halo even though my initial reviews were enthusiastic...quite a bit. My guess is that gut/poly hybrid will be the best option for TC90 but softer/thinner poly will be quite good on its own(don't get fooled by the 16x18 pattern, that baby has very tight spacing in the sweet spot)
 

Subaruvich

Semi-Pro
First of all I like how Halo works together with the 90 and the feel it produces but it all ends there I'm afraid. After 2-3 hours strings started to move around and I've experienced slight launching when going all out on a stroke. Spin is lacking a lot compared to a poly. All in all, I won't be buying any more of the Halo even though my initial reviews were enthusiastic...quite a bit. My guess is that gut/poly hybrid will be the best option for TC90 but softer/thinner poly will be quite good on its own(don't get fooled by the 16x18 pattern, that baby has very tight spacing in the sweet spot)
Do you like more your TC95 or TC90? I guess you like them both and use in different occasions!?
I am very happy with my TC95, but still considering to buy and try TC90. I am just little worried that it could be too demanding and too big of challenge for my skills level.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Do you like more your TC95 or TC90? I guess you like them both and use in different occasions!?
I am very happy with my TC95, but still considering to buy and try TC90. I am just little worried that it could be too demanding and too big of challenge for my skills level.
I like TC90 more. It's a personal thing since the TC90 is extremely similar to Fischer Vacuum Pro Mid which is my most favourite frame ever. That being said, TC90 is very hard to play competitive matches with unless you're really good and very offensive-S/V player. If you've ever played with a PS90 frames(I have a BLX PS version), TC90 is twice as demanding and unforgiving(at least that's my experience)...TC95 does not feel as sweet but it's a proper, killer match-winning tool for wider scale of users.

I wish Paul would do a 63RA TC90...I would be all over that and buy 3-4 of those.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Do you like more your TC95 or TC90? I guess you like them both and use in different occasions!?
I am very happy with my TC95, but still considering to buy and try TC90. I am just little worried that it could be too demanding and too big of challenge for my skills level.
I've read my post again and need to say I did not mean to scare you off the TC90. It's an exceptional frame, scalpel of scalpels and a beautiful piece of equipment but its better to take things as they are - It's one of the most demanding frames out there along with the Fischer Vacuum Mid.
 

Subaruvich

Semi-Pro
I've read my post again and need to say I did not mean to scare you off the TC90. It's an exceptional frame, scalpel of scalpels and a beautiful piece of equipment but its better to take things as they are - It's one of the most demanding frames out there along with the Fischer Vacuum Mid.
Thank you @joohan. Appreciate your honest advice. I am willing to try it. But I think I need some time for that idea to settle down before I take a decission. I tend to take emotional decissions too often and end up with bag full of racquets out of my wheelhouse
I might be not ready for TC90. Not just yet.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Thank you @joohan. Appreciate your honest advice. I am willing to try it. But I think I need some time for that idea to settle down before I take a decission. I tend to take emotional decissions too often and end up with bag full of racquets out of my wheelhouse
I might be not ready for TC90. Not just yet.
You're very welcome. The good thing is that the TC90 won't be discontinued anytime soon. I understand it has it faithful users and some of them order it in batches(!).
 

808

Semi-Pro
If I recall correctly, there used to be both 63 RA and 70 RA options for the 90 back in the Vantage days. And I'm pretty sure that the Angell 90's I used to play years back were of the 63 RA variety.

Paul took his time to bring back a 90 in the Angell line-up – it was introduced prior to the 97 and way after the 95, 100 and 105 were available – and I wouldn't be surprised if he did improve on the design somewhat. For example, I'm not 100% sure if the old Vantage 90's had the foam core back then.

Anyways, for what it's worth I prefer the TC 97 (16x19) to the TC 95 (16x19) and the TC 90 to both of them, now that I've acquired one (well, more than one by now) once again. To me it offers the best blend of power and control of the three. My backhand feels rock-steady with the 90, especially under pressure, and I'm comfortable taking the ball earlier than with the other two. One thing to note though, is that my 90 is slightly extended (27.25") while both 97 and 95 are standard length. And while it seems to fit my game or style of game quite well, the same won't necessarily be true for you. Only one way to find out. ;)
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I'm comfortable taking the ball earlier than with the other two.
This is my observation as well. Plus since it does not have the bulldozing power of the TC95, I don't have to tame it with too much spin.
 
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808

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This is my observation as well. Plus since it does not have the bulldozing power of the TC95, I don't have to tame it with too much spin.
Exactly. The 90 offers plenty of spin, though – at least when strung with Gravity at the fairly low tension I prefer (20x19).
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Exactly. The 90 offers plenty of spin, though – at least when strung with Gravity at the fairly low tension I prefer (20x19).
It does but I have to slightly alternate my stroke pattern to gain the full spin potential. Where it impresses me the most its serves and volleys...an ultimate doubles stick.
 

808

Semi-Pro
By the way, I've looked up the order confirmation from 2010 and my Vantage 90's were indeed 63 RA. Too bad I do not have them anymore to compare to the TC 90.

Custom Racquet: 90in - 16 x 18 - 63RA - 27.25 Inches" - 330g (11.7oz) / 310mm (10pts hl) - Black Frame - Black Bumper - Handle H - Size: 3 - Brown Leather Grip - Black Band - poly bag
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
By the way, I've looked up the order confirmation from 2010 and my Vantage 90's were indeed 63 RA. Too bad I do not have them anymore to compare to the TC 90.

Custom Racquet: 90in - 16 x 18 - 63RA - 27.25 Inches" - 330g (11.7oz) / 310mm (10pts hl) - Black Frame - Black Bumper - Handle H - Size: 3 - Brown Leather Grip - Black Band - poly bag
Too bad Angell does not have that option anymore but I guess I get it, even the 70 is very sweet hit.
 
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joohan

Hall of Fame
What strings and tension you guys like the best in your TC90?
I've only tried Halo so far but I will definitely use Weiss Cannon Silverstring 1.20 as my next string job as it is my reference poly + the next thing in line is a gut/poly combo.
 

808

Semi-Pro
What strings and tension you guys like the best in your TC90?
I hate trying out different strings so I just use what I've been using for probably almost 2 years now – Head Gravity hybrid – and dropped the tension a bit to 20/19 kg (21/20 kg for the TC97).

I think it complements the frame rather well.
 

cdik

New User
I've read my post again and need to say I did not mean to scare you off the TC90. It's an exceptional frame, scalpel of scalpels and a beautiful piece of equipment but its better to take things as they are - It's one of the most demanding frames out there along with the Fischer Vacuum Mid.
Joohan, could you compare it to pc600 or original prestige pro?
Tnx.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Joohan, could you compare it to pc600 or original prestige pro?
Tnx.
Compared to PC600, the TC90 has much more uniform flex (PC600 flexed in the head as far as I remember, TC90 flexes uniformly) and plays notably stiffer.

I would categorize PC600 as a user friendly mid (along with other "user friendly" mids I've tried: Dunlop Aerogel 4D 100, Wilson BLX PS90 and Volkl PB10 mid) but TC90 is a true "user-skill demanding" frame.

Hope this helps, I did not spend very much time with the PC600 so take this comparison with appropriate skepticisms...
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
Compared to PC600, the TC90 has much more uniform flex (PC600 flexed in the head as far as I remember, TC90 flexes uniformly) and plays notably stiffer.

I would categorize PC600 as a user friendly mid (along with other "user friendly" mids I've tried: Dunlop Aerogel 4D 100, Wilson BLX PS90 and Volkl PB10 mid) but TC90 is a true "user-skill demanding" frame.

Hope this helps, I did not spend very much time with the PC600 so take this comparison with appropriate skepticisms...
I can't speak for the TC90 as I have never hit with one. I don't find the PC600 flexing in the head.
 
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