Angell TC95 16x19 flexy shakedown

Do we need more more sub 60RA players frames?

  • yes

    Votes: 27 73.0%
  • no

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • What is RA?

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Total voters
    37
  • Poll closed .
#1
Day 1 test

Subject: Angell TC95
Flex: RA63 (strung more like 58)
String pattern: 16x19
Weight 12.5oz (strung)
Balance 8 pts HL
Length 27 in
Grip (B) 4 3/8 (leather)
Strung with luxilon adrenaline at 45lbs


First impressions:



Serve Boss. First two games with the TC95 were incredibly promising... won first game serving at love... the second point was a second serve ace up the T with ball jumping violently to the deuce court and very high (he never swung at it). Lost the second game returning as I was still dialing things in but did hit an immense backhand winner down the line (set up by a crosscourt forehand return) that had the front desk guy at the club cheering with his fist raised from behind the viewing glass. I like to aim for lines and was able to do so with the TC95, though I had to remember that I didnt have to gun every shot as this thing has a little bit of power held in reserve (unlike my Pacific frame an XPF95). The TC95 is a solid easy to pick up performer and for fans of classic frames it plays more modern than say prince graphites with crossbars (somewhere between the IG Prestige 95's and PS95's but more solid than either). Personality of the frame is a bit like a jaguar sports coup... solid, plush, punishing power, elegant control but smooth overall... not a frame to show off how much you can sweat. This one is about making difficult things seem routine and not flashy, even when they are.

The TC95 reminds me of Alfred, Batman's butler, it does anything asked of it and thoroughly. No real weaknesses it is a complete frame and the paint is dazzlingly nice. The build quality exceeds any racquet Ive ever held... not hype, the clear coat is like glass. Besides, my Mom had just gone to the emergency room several timezones away and I needed a distraction while I waited... what is more distracting than a cool new frame? Nothing. Ok maybe, I wasn't best at closing out pressure games but that was gonna happen with a new frame anyways. Mostly a first outing is about learning what it does and doesnt do. In particular I loved the flex+power but was also adjusting to it. By the end I was cracking more forehand and backhand winners than I had in years. I had also started to adjust to not having to swing full out to get depth and power and will add a very small amount of lead in the coming months to improve the already very good ability to change direction. With this new frame I often hit crosscourt when in the past with a stick I had grooved Id go DTL. That said I hit more DTL winners than I had in years. In particular the flex helps me hit DTL backhands on serve returns. I thought the TC95 was more accurate than the IGPMP on groundies as it was more maneuverable and it lets me prep my shots better (my IGPMP is 13 oz and a beast).


Background:

The Angell TC95 at RA63 option (about RA58-57 strung) is one of the last serious high flex player's midplus 95 sq inch frames available. Angell is a custom frame company that spec's to the customers needs (it is pedigreed from classic Dunlops like the MW200G when Angell was head engineer there). I got mine very very lightly used, partly so I can sort out all of my preferences in this custom brand (I have immense respect for Paul Angell and want to order what I really want rather than a guess). I played 2 sets but was a little rusty after a month without match play, which is another the reason I wanted a more forgiving yet still high precision players frame. My current Pacific x feel pro 95 is the most precise MP Ive ever used but it also is very demanding... having no power on tap and kinda kept my first serve speeds 2-5mph lower unless I got the entire kinetic chain moving. I was losing a lot of first sets only to win the next 2 more easily and basically Im looking for more free points on serve. I always seem to serve better firsts with sub 60RA frames... something most of the major companies have stopped making. The Prince TT95 was another option but it seemed a lot like my Pacific x feel Pro 95 (now discontinued) with only marginally more power. I felt if Im going to make a change, try something a little more long term... Im 45 not 25 (6ft 2.5in and athletic, I train). 3 years with the x feel pro 95 is a good run. Time to try a new stick.


Details:

Headsize and comparison frames: The TC95 is definitely a touch larger than the Pacific xfp95 and my Head IG prestige MP (also Head Youtek Prestige Pro) which I will compare it with. The TC95 is definitely much smaller than my Prince 03 Speedport Tour 98 (a true 98) so about 96sq inches seems right. Also, if the TC 97 is a true 97 it makes sense that the difference wouldnt be too obvious between the two Angell molds in terms of size. 96 sq inches is an interesting headsize and the sweetspot is generous... on the xfp95 and IGPMP and YTPP it is small. The TC95's 16x19 pattern is more open than the XPF95's or YTPP but similarly consistent stringbed response. Bigger sweetspot too.

First Serves: Even though my TC 95 clocks in at only 12.5 oz so far (light for me) it easily out serves my 12.75oz XFP and 13oz Prestige MP with similar accuracy. Theflex gives the distinct feeling of carving the ball... you dont get that with RA over 60. The xfp95 (RA61) has marginally more accuracy than the TC95 but that could be attributed to being more grooved and set up with it. Serve placement with the TC95 was easy, I could choose to go wide or at the body with no adjustments. For Flat, topspin, and american twists the TC95 is the clear leader compared to both Prestige MP and Pro. I served twice as many aces as I normally do and my hitting partner (a former teaching pro from a San Francisco club) mostly just blocked them back when he got a racquet on them, allowing me to S&V more as I grew more confident hitting bombs and following them to the net. I did need to add a little lead at 12:00 3&9 to allow more plow on serves. Still, this is a server's stick and I was looking for the free points and this delivered them. The head of the TC95 cuts through the air nicely being 19mm at the tip, 20mm at throat. When I really wanted to hit big pounding lasers up the T Sampras style it was no problem. Frankly I've missed the thrill of pure serving power with the Pacific XPF95. Last time I was hitting firsts this hard was with a Prince Black longbody with synthetic gut, only the TC95 has more control.

Second serves: I usually hit an american twist and the TC95 had good movement. I also found I could hit a nice topspin or slice by carving the ball with the TC95. Good action on kick/twist serves overall but sometimes Id hit long by 2-3 inches and it had consitently more depth on second serves. It might have been my toss being erratic, adrenaline isnt my 1st choice for strings (but not bad) or I simply havent grooved yet as this was my first outing. Things improved when I added 4 string savers at the fifth cross. Also adrenaline is an ok string but I prefer less pop... RSLyon, Hyper G, YPTPHS and Red Ghost are on my short list to try. The seconds I did put in were dangerous and I did follow them to the net often in the second set. In fact serving was so good I was mostly putting away weak returns in the midcourt... even on seconds. My serves just didnt seem very attackable but it was a very fast indoor court, lack of faith in my second did hurt me but I expected that. The weakest part of my play today was double faulting by 2 inches... that is something I can dial in as I continue to inker with strings/setup.

Forehands: A real highlight, crosscourt, DTL, short putaways or defensive all of it was wonderful and reminded me of a more solid yet flexable PS95. This thing is a closer. Also excellent at digging out low balls (my backhand is avoided). So many times what could have a been a defensive save turned into a punishing point changer. Hit one of the most wicked forehand slice dropshots as well so this thing is versatile. Still, Im learning how to adress no man's land weak balls as I did hit a few too many long. Different strings could help there.

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Backhands: It took me a bit to get my timing consistent but once better grooved I could hit those Guga style deep crosscourts that hit the side line setting up a volley, forehand winner or an inside out backhand closer. The added flex took some getting used to but as I added a bit more weight the stick performed better on topspin backhands. It was good immediately but with more mass it became more dictating. The flex did allow easier inside out backhands and DTL returns as the sensation of dwell time improved. Many flexible sticks feel a tad unstable but not the TC95. It reminded me a little of the Max 200g which was famous for retaining shape on impact. Slices were good but I hit very few of them. Overall, my partner said it was a very heavy ball and often the pace was just too much to handle when in the past his excellent hands would force me to hit another shot.

Touch: Another highlight. Hit probably my best forehand slice dropshot and digging out low balls was easy. Dwell time is superb and really great here. Not dull, not overly crisp the feedback was great with just a small rubber band on the strings. Like a lot of high quality frames from the 90's through 2002 it doesnt really require a rubber band.

Volleys: very good. Maneuverability was great and volleys had punch. Still getting used to this so didnt always create the same angles as the XFP95 but just as good as the prestiges. Perhaps a tad more weight will help with change of direction angles on volleys... 12.5oz is lite spec for me.

Returns: Best for last... although great on serves this thing was lethal on returns. I have no idea how many return winners I hit. Too many FH and BH DTL winners to count. When I did miss it was because the ball hit the tape on the net or by 2-3 inches from a line... different strings should be better. The higher flex of this frame really let me hit way more flat DTL return winners off the backhand. Blocked back and sliced returns were also awesome. Love this. Im a special returner and most players just resort to only hitting to the body because that provides less opportunities for me to destroy serves so the maneuverability of the TC95 got a real test there and did well... I still could step to the side often and still crack winners or a slice back to bleed off pace.

Comfort: Very good, no pain and kind to the arm


Final Thoughts (so far):

A keeper for sure with its big serves and returns, still grooving backhands but looking good, forehands are deadly (people hit to my FH 70%+ of the time according to my Zepp sensor). Not certain about grip just yet... I like B shape but might like A even more... 4 3/8 is fine but I think 4 1/2 might be better for me. My next agenda, add a little mere weight and groove second serves before another match. Leaving strings alone for now but RSLyon and Red Ghost are top of the list. It will take more time to fully groove backhands as timing is different with this slightly lighter but still heavy spec frame.
 
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Chace

Professional
#4
Thanks for the detailed review. Have you had the opportunity to hit with tc95 ra70? If so, how does it compare to the tc95 ra63?
 
#5
Thanks for the detailed review. Have you had the opportunity to hit with tc95 ra70? If so, how does it compare to the tc95 ra63?
thanks all... no I havent tried the Ra70. What i can say is that you very much can feel the flex in the RA 63 and you probably would not be able to perceive it flexing if you had the stiffer frame in hand.

I think one of the most exciting aspects of Angell frames is that you can get multiple different versions that are very similar in swing, so depending on how you feel you can switch frames and nobody would know that you were you choosing one over the other. Get tired in the 4th set... switch to the ra70...
 
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#7
Lool..tennis magazine article. Good job and glad you like the TC95
Thanks... well I am a professional (writer). This is me just hacking it together, breaking most proper rules, not editing properly and being outright lazy. In fact, my first professional writing gig was winning a Kswiss shoe essay contest in high school! (Note to TW, Angell, Nike and addidas other gear I use...I can produce much better and succinct copy for hire.) I play tennis with people who do a great deal of athletic product photography for such firms. All of them really want to try that TC97 btw. ...chuckles it is weird for me to give away words for free but I do it here.

I'm also crusading for gear I would want to buy because clearly most of the racquet companies have deserted my niche market... despite the fact that many top pro players are using similar heavy spec and flexy frames.
 
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#9
Day 2: Serve Practice

Added some tiny lead at 8:40 and 3:20 (lots of real estate in the near 3 & 9 position as the head is oblate or "less round"). Also added more lead to the handle tip. Balance unchanged but even easier serving. 1st and seconds, including american twists were easy. Hard to miss with any serve as long as I was swinging at a good toss (that's what Im after, something to groove on so I can concentrate purely on placement and spin choices). Granted Day 1 was indoors on fast courts in the 50's and today was a damp outdoors day with light wind in the upper 40's but the courts were mostly dry and confidence in the stick is growing.

Compared to my Becker London Tour it serves just as well now and better twist seconds. I might put one of my XPF95s up for sale. Its an amazing stick, still the most accurate mid plus I've ever used but the Angell TC95 is close and far better than a YTprestige Pro. More comfortable and solid than the YT and IG Prestiges too.

Since this was my first day with wind I noticed that the thinner 19mm tip cut through the air while accelerating the tip better than most sticks. A bonus. I think part of the reason most sticks get thicker at the tip is to save costs in stiffening that area with less material... pretty sure the Angell does it all in the layup and material choices (for those who disliked the dead upper hoop of the PS95 there is no such issue here. Really do feel like the TC95 is a great cross between PT630 and PS95 frames but strangely with a larger more generous sweetspot. No hotspots like a prestige, flex like a PT630 or PC600, feel at impact like a foam filled PS95 with power on tap like a PS95.

The frame does seem very sensitive to very small variations in weight.
 
#11
For some reason, I carve much better with stiffer frames. But to each his own.
Yeah its just a different sensation and some prefer it. I didnt realize how much I missed it until I got the Becker London Tour and noticed how much better I serve with it... something about that moment of impact is so crucial and all I'm advocating for are options. 2015 was a bad year for players who like flexible racquets. I'm getting used to the sensation again but it will take a little time to come to trust it on groundies completely. At least it is very consistent. Next time I play Ill makea point to hit more slice backhands... the Becker London Tour hits lovely slices.

Basically, I wanted to find that "silky" "carving" feeling on serves again and the TC95 delivers. I alawys found the PS85 to be too stiff on serve eventhough it is a goat on serves results-wise.

Maybe it is because I play violin and I like the flexible sensation of a bow? To each their own, we all need options.
 

DNShade

Hall of Fame
#14
Glad you are finding the stick much the same as I did. I've played with the 95 63RA 16x19 since they were Vantage. GREAT frames and such a better different feel than the mass produced sticks of today. Great power even in the lower stiffness and you can really feel the ball dwell on the face.

I agree -- as someone who grew up playing with the 200G - it does have that kind of similar feeling of being powerful and yet still very plush and soft -- keeping it's shape on impact like you said. You don't get any of the "wet noodle" effect that some softer frames can have.

You can certainly feel the traditional Dunlop lineage in the frame which should come as no surprise. I LOVE it.

Here are the originals:
 
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#15
How is the power level compared to say Pure Aero Tour, Prestige Pro & Pure Control Tour? And also Spin compared to those?
Completely different frame than Pure Aero tour. Reminds me a lot of my Youtek Prestige pro but way better in all categories... I found that prestige with its strung RA of 66 to be too stiff but I used it on windy days. The 70RA (strung 64RA) TC95 will be more similar to the Prestige Pro in feel but since the Angell is foam filled it has this meaty thud when it hits the ball soooo different in that respect. Spin is comparable and control is better on the Angell. Ive hit with an earlier version of the Pure control tour and the Angel is more substantial... the babolat was good but welt tinny to me and not as maneuverable... more "twiddly" or hi-fi feeling and didnt serve or return anywhere nearly as well. Control and power is better with the TC95.

Head really screwed up by making the prestige pro so stiff... had the put out a PT630 with a 16x19 drill pattern and a leather grip I never would have looked at Angell. Im glad I did, the foam is a really nice plus. The TC95 isnt a miracle stick but it is a seriously great refinement of modern and classic player frame design. It is tough to be good at everything but it really is and great at serving. Im a very big returner and dwell time is so crucial... most manufacturers dont even discuss dwell time anymore. This TC95 63RA has it... maybe not quite as much as the Pacific X feel pro 95 but it has a nice flexy carving sensation so that's an acceptable tradeoff.
 

kailash

Professional
#16
Completely different frame than Pure Aero tour. Reminds me a lot of my Youtek Prestige pro but way better in all categories... I found that prestige with its strung RA of 66 to be too stiff but I used it on windy days. The 70RA (strung 64RA) TC95 will be more similar to the Prestige Pro in feel but since the Angell is foam filled it has this meaty thud when it hits the ball soooo different in that respect. Spin is comparable and control is better on the Angell. Ive hit with an earlier version of the Pure control tour and the Angel is more substantial... the babolat was good but welt tinny to me and not as maneuverable... more "twiddly" or hi-fi feeling and didnt serve or return anywhere nearly as well. Control and power is better with the TC95.

Head really screwed up by making the prestige pro so stiff... had the put out a PT630 with a 16x19 drill pattern and a leather grip I never would have looked at Angell. Im glad I did, the foam is a really nice plus. The TC95 isnt a miracle stick but it is a seriously great refinement of modern and classic player frame design. It is tough to be good at everything but it really is and great at serving. Im a very big returner and dwell time is so crucial... most manufacturers dont even discuss dwell time anymore. This TC95 63RA has it... maybe not quite as much as the Pacific X feel pro 95 but it has a nice flexy carving sensation so that's an acceptable tradeoff.
Thanks for the very descriptive answer. The 70RA is very tempting and so is the TC97. But there is no demo. What is the closest on the retail market that plays similar to TC95?
 
#17
Thanks for the very descriptive answer. The 70RA is very tempting and so is the TC97. But there is no demo. What is the closest on the retail market that plays similar to TC95?
I would say a heavy spec'd TC95 16x19 is in the realm of the Dunlop Biomimetic 200Tour (1st version), Wilson Prostaff 95 16x19, Yonex 95D (the RA70 TC95) and The Prestige Pro (RA70 TC95). They all have their qualities and I'd say the TC95 is midway between the Prestige's predictability and the PS95's putaway power and maneuverability. The Prestige Pro is very whippy and less plush than most of these The Angell is the most precise of them. The thing with Angell is you have a lot of options so its tough to really say which qualities it features... it all depends what you choose. My main hitting partners are all very interested in the TC97.
 
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So you'd say the TC95 63RA has less power than a PS95? Would that be a stock PS95 or leaded? Thanks

Was wondering this too because the PS 95 I demoed was very low powered and needed lead, a lot of it. Found the pure control tour I'm experimenting with to have far more power in stock form.
 
#21
So you'd say the TC95 63RA has less power than a PS95? Would that be a stock PS95 or leaded? Thanks
Since the TC95 is a custom frame it is variable and the PS95 I used was leaded up. Id say the TC95 is both more powerful and accurate... even in the flexy option.

My sense is that the PS95 16x19 had extra flex in the top hoop. TC95 doesnt have that and though the frames arent the same I'd say they would appeal to similar players... the RA70 TC 95 will probably appeal to pro staff aficionados more than the flexy option I have. Perhaps one reason the PS95 needed all that lead was to help it deform less by adding mass so the ball lost the collision with the racquet more.... but still that is essentially is covering a design flaw. The TC95 really reminds me of the PS95 on forehands but just more solid and dependable. The PS95 reminded me of a lot of young men I know (and once was), capable but a little unpredictable when pushed compared to someone with more experience. You get older, you learn... you might luck out and own an Angell. (OMG I gotta stop shilling)

BTW I kinda hate that flex uneveness in the PS95 and it also bleeds off power/accuracy otherwise that was a nice frame (was wilson just being cheap?). As I mentioned earlier I was an old Max 200g user and it was famous for not deforming so much on impact. This gave it power and accuracy... with an unusually large sweetspot for such a small headed 84in frame. Paul Angell (who made the final 200g for Graf) as an engineer was undoubtedly charged with trying to replicate those design characteristic using a compression molded process... I think we see some of that experience in the TC95.

Basically just assume the TC95 has more power than similar spec'd frames. Back in 2012 that scared me offand I got the X Feel pro 95... 4 years later there is wisdom in having extra oomf on the tank (in person I may look like im in my 30's but im 45 and my knees are far older... the one with the replaced acl though in great shape feels the years).

There's no way that the TC95 63RA has less power than a PS95 in stock form, as the latter has a much lower swingweight.
You are correct sir!

Was wondering this too because the PS 95 I demoed was very low powered and needed lead, a lot of it. Found the pure control tour I'm experimenting with to have far more power in stock form.
Yeah and Id say the TC95 is plusher and more powerful than the PCT as well... good frame but not the serving beast or as maneuverable as the TC95.

So why does the TC95 have so many strong characteristics? The skeptic in me thinks physics are physics and racquet design hasnt changed much in decades. My only explanation is the Angell is simply not as cheaply made... and better/more materials could account for the solid, somewhat unflashy personality of the stick?

Glad you are finding the stick much the same as I did. I've played with the 95 63RA 16x19 since they were Vantage. GREAT frames and such a better different feel than the mass produced sticks of today. Great power even in the lower stiffness and you can really feel the ball dwell on the face.

I agree -- as someone who grew up playing with the 200G - it does have that kind of similar feeling of being powerful and yet still very plush and soft -- keeping it's shape on impact like you said. You don't get any of the "wet noodle" effect that some softer frames can have.

You can certainly feel the traditional Dunlop lineage in the frame which should come as no surprise. I LOVE it.
And thank you, your clear reports over the years have been an invaluable source of info for me. I dont regret going with the Pacific X Feel Pro 95 3.5 years ago because I knew I just wanted to commit to using such a demanding and pinpoint frame but what youve said about the TC95 is absolutely true and its letting me crack more winners. I cant wait to dial it in more... right now Im getting way more free points but my indecision/inexperience with the frame has me not closing big points like I can with the XPF95 (mom in hospital never helps, btw she's ok... not a stroke). I can tell that trust in shot selection and some tactics will change.

Im not the sort that likes to change frames often and Angell suits that approach. (I might sell one of my XFP95's, but will keep at least one and an earlier version, my Fischer M comp... both discontinued now but literally the most mid like MP ever and precise like an PS85 without the power on tap)

Overall excited that Angell is doing this... I dont think just any independent firm could do this... tennis players all want something different and I think Paul has great looking as well as playing sticks now. Angell simply zigged when the industry zagged (alienating hardcore players like me) and that's what happens when brands are around for a long time... they lose touch with their constituents. Question is will Head, Wilson and Babolat evolve to better listen to players needs? Seems like Prince is turning it around but Ive never really got on with Prince.

Angell will appeal to those who liked dunlop, classic prestiges, Fischers (not the same feel though) and PS95's but they arent a legacy brand... they have more power and spin than many of those frames. Angell is simply about giving options and sound engineering, rather than marketing.

Now the string search RS Lyon, Red Ghost, Hyper G, YPTP????
 
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joohan

Hall of Fame
#22
I'm still in the bushes deciding which way to go racquet-wise but Angell seems (and most probably is) one of the few, if not the only long term solution...since the racquets I'm interested in are (Dunlop Biomimetic 300 Tour) or are being (Prince Response 97) discontinued. Time to join the Angells, I suppose.
 
#23
I'm still in the bushes deciding which way to go racquet-wise but Angell seems (and most probably is) one of the few, if not the only long term solution...since the racquets I'm interested in are (Dunlop Biomimetic 300 Tour) or are being (Prince Response 97) discontinued. Time to join the Angells, I suppose.
Yeah Im with you... I hate feeling herded into one option myself. For me tennis is an enjoyable exercise in choice. Not having choices annoys me. To you I can say that the Angell TC95 feels more Prostaff 85 and Dunlop 200tour than the "Fischer Feel". The foam filled thing being what it is and the Tc95 is almost like a plusher, flexier more accurate and solid Bio300tour. I like it, closest frames would be the Bio 200tour and PT630 having a baby that was sent off to an elite english prep school eventually becoming an MI6 operative in Berlin. After playing with the TC95 and knowing your love of the Fischer 98 my guess is that the TC97 might be more to your taste but I dont think you can go wrong. Did you try the Pacific Pro No.1 resissue?
 
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#24
Dude, your writing skills are stellar!

BTW, I gotta ask, any downsides to the Angell? Nothing is perfect, lol! Too many people saying too many nice things. C'mon, someone buck the trend!
:p
 
#25
Dude, your writing skills are stellar!

BTW, I gotta ask, any downsides to the Angell? Nothing is perfect, lol! Too many people saying too many nice things. C'mon, someone buck the trend!
:p
Yeah no demos (I just have such a hard time ordering something Ive never hit with) and a lot of people will find the TC95 63RA (58 strung) too flexy and the RA 70 (64 not flexy enough)... I suppose thats why he Made the TC97 RA66 (62RA unstrung). Maybe if Robin Soderling, Guga and McEnroe started playing with them? Are endorsement important to me? No?

Other issues... some people just dont want something ultra solid and predictable. I know... I know that isnt enough. Basically he's not after much of Babolat's business so much.

So far I like everything a lot... perhaps the only thing that it doesnt have so much is some sort of fictional technology I can project my desires upon. With"unobtainium" serves are 10% faster and concentration is unfallible.... throw in world peace, end of disease and hunger and death taking a holiday.
 
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joohan

Hall of Fame
#26
To you I can say that the Angell TC95 feels more Prostaff 85 and Dunlop 200tour than the "Fischer Feel". The foam filled thing being what it is and the Tc95 is almost like a plusher, flexier more accurate and solid Bio300tour.
That's the best news, actually. More accurate Bio 300T? Boy oh boy...is it even possible?

I like it, closest frames would be the Bio 200tour and PT630 having a baby that was sent off to an elite english prep school eventually becoming an MI6 operative in Berlin.
Kind of like Bond meeting the Man from U.N.C.L.E. I can almost taste that medium dry martini. Shaken, not stirred.

Did you try the Pacific Pro No.1 resissue?
Not yet and I'm not particularly tempted, to be completely honest. I have stocked upon the original version and in zip code where I come from, there are VT98Pro/Pro 1s regularly popping up from closets/garages/attics, mostly in very good condition. Maybe later I'll pull the trigger on a used reissue Pro 1 just to pay my respects to the legend, as it were...

After playing with the TC95 and knowing your love of the Fischer 98 my guess is that the TC97 might be more to your taste but I dont think you can go wrong.
I'll see. I will probably start with a TC95 18x20 either 63 or 70 as its the 18x20(Bio 300T) pattern that's missing in my current racquet portfolio. I will move on from there.

...

What about volleys with your TC95? I am really tempted by Prince Response 97 because of its stability and volley production (plus its current price tag is not really helping my decision making process).
 

DNShade

Hall of Fame
#27
That's the best news, actually. More accurate Bio 300T? Boy oh boy...is it even possible?

What about volleys with your TC95? I am really tempted by Prince Response 97 because of its stability and volley production (plus its current price tag is not really helping my decision making process).
Yes. The only sticks I've hit with that feels kinda similar to the Vantage/Angell TC95 is the pro stock (300T mold) that Blake, Haas, Berdych played with. Which should come as no surprise since Paul was instrumental in designing and development at Dunlop during that time especially for the their pro frames. So if you like the the 300T you'll love the Angell.

I must say that the Bosworth custom frames do have a similar solid feel to them as well -- I have 3 of the Tour 96s - but the Vantage/Angells are my go to sticks.

To your volley question -- I'm total S&V old school - McEnroe, Edberg, Rafter style and I LOVE the 95 at net. And I do have a couple of the Response 97s that they rereleased. I just had to get them to see what they were like since I really liked the original. They are good sticks - especially for the price now. A bit more stiff than I remember the originals feeling. While I do like them -- and they are quite solid - they do have a more modern kinda hollow "tiny" feel to them, even with added lead and tungsten. Not as bad as most modern sticks, but it is there. The TC95 is just much more solid all around and has that great old school solid feel on volleys that I want.

Hope that helps.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
#28
Yes. The only sticks I've hit with that feels kinda similar to the Vantage/Angell TC95 is the pro stock (300T mold) that Blake, Haas, Berdych played with. Which should come as no surprise since Paul was instrumental in designing and development at Dunlop during that time especially for the their pro frames. So if you like the the 300T you'll love the Angell.

I must say that the Bosworth custom frames do have a similar solid feel to them as well -- I have 3 of the Tour 96s - but the Vantage/Angells are my go to sticks.

To your volley question -- I'm total S&V old school - McEnroe, Edberg, Rafter style and I LOVE the 95 at net. And I do have a couple of the Response 97s that they rereleased. I just had to get them to see what they were like since I really liked the original. They are good sticks - especially for the price now. A bit more stiff than I remember the originals feeling. While I do like them -- and they are quite solid - they do have a more modern kinda hollow "tiny" feel to them, even with added lead and tungsten. Not as bad as most modern sticks, but it is there. The TC95 is just much more solid all around and has that great old school solid feel on volleys that I want.

Hope that helps.
You're helping a lot, actually. I understand the lineage and I'm starting to be quite sure I will like the Angell frames very much. Great info regarding the Response 97, thank You for that. I am intrigued by all the "volley-praise" but tried to keep it in check until I gather more information (and You've provided plenty). Response 97 looks like a sideways step for me at the moment.

I had the pleasure to discuss TC95 vs TC97 with mr. Angell via facebook messenger not long ago. We - sort of - agreed that the TC97 would be THE "sustainable option" for me future-wise. I play with two frames at the moment - Fischer Vacuum Pro 90(16x20, 360g strung) and Donnay Pro One International Supermidsize(95sq.inch, below RA60 strung, 16x18, 360g + 7-8 pts HL strung with some lead @ 3+9) - and I guess that either 18x20/16x19 TC95 would be too similar to what I currently use. My personal preference is an 18x20 TC95 to kickstart my collaboration with Angell, so to speak, but I agree that TC97 might be a better option for me as far as my tennis evolution is concerned.

One step at the time, as they say...I am slowly but firmly realizing there is only one way forward and any sideways steps, however tempting and reassuring they might feel, are just what they are - sideways steps that will not move me forward.
 

joohan

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Yes. The only sticks I've hit with that feels kinda similar to the Vantage/Angell TC95 is the pro stock (300T mold) that Blake, Haas, Berdych played with. Which should come as no surprise since Paul was instrumental in designing and development at Dunlop during that time especially for the their pro frames. So if you like the the 300T you'll love the Angell.

I must say that the Bosworth custom frames do have a similar solid feel to them as well -- I have 3 of the Tour 96s - but the Vantage/Angells are my go to sticks.

To your volley question -- I'm total S&V old school - McEnroe, Edberg, Rafter style and I LOVE the 95 at net. And I do have a couple of the Response 97s that they rereleased. I just had to get them to see what they were like since I really liked the original. They are good sticks - especially for the price now. A bit more stiff than I remember the originals feeling. While I do like them -- and they are quite solid - they do have a more modern kinda hollow "tiny" feel to them, even with added lead and tungsten. Not as bad as most modern sticks, but it is there. The TC95 is just much more solid all around and has that great old school solid feel on volleys that I want.

Hope that helps.
You're helping a lot, actually. I understand the lineage and I'm starting to be quite sure I will like the Angell frames very much. Great info regarding the Response 97, thank You for that. I am intrigued by all the "volley-praise" but tried to keep it in check until I gather more information (and You've provided plenty). Response 97 looks like a sideways step for me at the moment.

I had the pleasure to discuss TC95 vs TC97 with mr. Angell via facebook messenger not long ago. We - sort of - agreed that the TC97 would be THE "sustainable option" for me future-wise. I play with two frames at the moment - Fischer Vacuum Pro 90(16x20, 360g strung) and Donnay Pro One International Supermidsize(95sq.inch, below RA60 strung, 16x18, 360g + 7-8 pts HL strung with some lead @ 3+9) - and I guess that either 18x20/16x19 TC95 would be too similar to what I currently use. My personal preference is an 18x20 TC95 to kickstart my collaboration with Angell, so to speak, but I agree that TC97 might be a better option for me as far as my tennis evolution is concerned.

One step at the time, as they say...I am slowly but firmly realizing there is only one way forward and any sideways steps, however tempting and reassuring they might feel, are just what they are - sideways steps that will not move me forward.
 

DNShade

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Great. Glad to be of service. And yeah - Paul is a great guy and easy and really helpful to talk to. Have yet yo hit with the TC97 but plan on picking up a few here in the next few weeks. I'm sure they will have the same plush solid feel. Probably will be very close to the Blake Dunlop pro stock since that was a 97 as well.

Bottom line is I really don't think you can go wrong with Paul's frames. But yes -- talk to him and I'm sure he will steer you in the right direction and you'll be very happy.
 

joohan

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Great. Glad to be of service. And yeah - Paul is a great guy and easy and really helpful to talk to. Have yet yo hit with the TC97 but plan on picking up a few here in the next few weeks. I'm sure they will have the same plush solid feel. Probably will be very close to the Blake Dunlop pro stock since that was a 97 as well.

Bottom line is I really don't think you can go wrong with Paul's frames. But yes -- talk to him and I'm sure he will steer you in the right direction and you'll be very happy.
Yes. I'm sure we'll figure something out. Very pleasant problems, anyway. Be sure to post Your comparisons with the TC95 once You have a chance to hit with the TC97.

What is the frame on the photo You've shared? Looks luxurious with a Fairway...
 

DNShade

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Yes. I'm sure we'll figure something out. Very pleasant problems, anyway. Be sure to post Your comparisons with the TC95 once You have a chance to hit with the TC97.

What is the frame on the photo You've shared? Looks luxurious with a Fairway...
That's one of my original Vantage 95s. The same exact stick as the TC95. VT221B - 63 RA 16x19, 330g, 12pts

And yes -- I love the feel of a nice Fairway grip in my hand.
 
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That's the best news, actually. More accurate Bio 300T? Boy oh boy...is it even possible?... What about volleys with your TC95? I am really tempted by Prince Response 97 because of its stability and volley production (plus its current price tag is not really helping my decision making process).
Yeah it's definitely slighty lower power, flexier, infinitely more solid and more accurate than the bio 300T. Way more stable/controllable and not tinny at all. The TC95 is somewhat more dampened too and makes sense that it is a lot like James Blake's prostock... he'd be a great brand ambassador but totally unnecessary as well.

The 300T would annoy you being a Fischer afficianado like myself, it just kinda felt like teenager stuff too me. The TC95 is a massive improvement over the 300T characteristics and I like how it feels in the hand better with the "D beam" throat there is a tactile sensibility to all tennis racquets and holding the stick in the off hand between points gives it a solid, steady and calm feeling. My Pacific felt more like a formula 1 racecar... the TC95 feels streetlegal by comparison... less like a racecar and more like a cool spy car. Not as spartan and just more deadly rather than death defying.

Put it this way... if I were to use a tennis racquet as a weapon Im pretty sure an Angell could crush most other frames if they crossed swords. It is just that much more solid.
 

joohan

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Yeah it's definitely slighty lower power, flexier, infinitely more solid and more accurate than the bio 300T. Way more stable/controllable and not tinny at all. The TC95 is somewhat more dampened too and makes sense that it is a lot like James Blake's prostock... he'd be a great brand ambassador but totally unnecessary as well.

The 300T would annoy you being a Fischer afficianado like myself, it just kinda felt like teenager stuff too me. The TC95 is a massive improvement over the 300T characteristics and I like how it feels in the hand better with the "D beam" throat there is a tactile sensibility to all tennis racquets and holding the stick in the off hand between points gives it a solid, steady and calm feeling. My Pacific felt more like a formula 1 racecar... the TC95 feels streetlegal by comparison... less like a racecar and more like a cool spy car. Not as spartan and just more deadly rather than death defying.

Put it this way... if I were to use a tennis racquet as a weapon Im pretty sure an Angell could crush most other frames if they crossed swords. It is just that much more solid.
Thank you. Very illustrative :)

I played extensively with the 300T some three-four years ago, albeit heavily leaded, but as I've already stated the 300T would be a sidestep (if not a backward) move for me. I traded my 300T for a Fischer Pro 1, an excellent move. Time to make another one with an Angell...
 
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Received my 3 - TC95s 63 RA 2 weeks ago. I have been playing with Vantage / Angell for the last 10 years. There is really no frame like it. Fantastic on the arm. The feel with the leather grip is sublime. By far, the best frame for touch shots I have ever used. Power, spin, etc is reflected by what the player puts into it. The racket accurately shows the characteristics of different strings. As BC has said previously, I have never experienced such a serving beast. Highly recommended!
 
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Received my 3 - TC95s 63 RA 2 weeks ago. I have been playing with Vantage / Angell for the last 10 years. There is really no frame like it. Fantastic on the arm. The feel with the leather grip is sublime. By far, the best frame for touch shots I have ever used. Power, spin, etc is reflected by what the player puts into it. The racket accurately shows the characteristics of different strings. As BC has said previously, I have never experienced such a serving beast. Highly recommended!
 
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That's the best news, actually. More accurate Bio 300T? Boy oh boy...is it even possible?



Kind of like Bond meeting the Man from U.N.C.L.E. I can almost taste that medium dry martini. Shaken, not stirred.



Not yet and I'm not particularly tempted, to be completely honest. I have stocked upon the original version and in zip code where I come from, there are VT98Pro/Pro 1s regularly popping up from closets/garages/attics, mostly in very good condition. Maybe later I'll pull the trigger on a used reissue Pro 1 just to pay my respects to the legend, as it were...



I'll see. I will probably start with a TC95 18x20 either 63 or 70 as its the 18x20(Bio 300T) pattern that's missing in my current racquet portfolio. I will move on from there.

...

What about volleys with your TC95? I am really tempted by Prince Response 97 because of its stability and volley production (plus its current price tag is not really helping my decision making process).
Start with the TC95 18x20 63ra. There are no real benefits to start with the 70. 18x20 is dense anyway, so you'll love the frame flex softening up the stiffer string bed. As for power, you'll have plenty.
 

joohan

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Start with the TC95 18x20 63ra. There are no real benefits to start with the 70. 18x20 is dense anyway, so you'll love the frame flex softening up the stiffer string bed. As for power, you'll have plenty.
Thanks a lot for your input. I've been waiting for someone who has experience with a 63RA, 18x20 TC95 to contribute. Much appreciated.
 
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Into this thread you can read my review about the Vantage 95 18x20 63RA:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/vantage-95.306467/page-4#post-4406865
Im still considering an 18x20 myself... depends if string choice alters the power level (I cant see why it wouldnt)

Gee that's a very cool thread... I remember reading it the first time I looked at Angell's sticks back when they were vantage. The only part I have to disagree with is the 63 RA seeming stiffer. To me it feels like a 58RA stick as expected... a pronounced but tempered flex (I feel it most on returns, big backhands and serve). Not at all like a prostaff 85 which feels much boardier to me. I suppose the RA70 (64 strung) Angell would feel more like the PS85 (comfy but no pronounced flex sensation).

All that said everyone perceives flex differently...

Perhaps one of the reasons the Angell's sticks get so much "chatter" is without a demo program and so many options we crave more info. Plus if you are considering a custom frame you are likely a massive racquet spec/customization geek already.
 
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That's one of my original Vantage 95s. The same exact stick as the TC95. VT221B - 63 RA 16x19, 330g, 12pts

And yes -- I love the feel of a nice Fairway grip in my hand.
Still prefer the understated looks of Vantage to the more gaudy Angell. I know they are the same racquet but the Vantage just looks better. Have played with the Vantage 95 and it is an excellent frame but think I would go with the 97 now it is available.
 

DNShade

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Still prefer the understated looks of Vantage to the more gaudy Angell. I know they are the same racquet but the Vantage just looks better. Have played with the Vantage 95 and it is an excellent frame but think I would go with the 97 now it is available.
I agree. I really loved the Vantage looks and even the logo/stencil. Too bad about all the stuff with Sven and how it went south. But as you said it's still the same great frames and it's Paul. I don't mind the looks of the Angells -- and the 97 looks pretty sweet. I'll be picking up a few of them here soon too give them a little comparison.
 
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I agree. I really loved the Vantage looks and even the logo/stencil. Too bad about all the stuff with Sven and how it went south. But as you said it's still the same great frames and it's Paul. I don't mind the looks of the Angells -- and the 97 looks pretty sweet. I'll be picking up a few of them here soon too give them a little comparison.
I too prefer the understated black of the Vantages, but my Angell is lovely. Hoping the TC95 gets the new paint job and I can get a 2nd.
 
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I think the paint scheme was better with Vantage, but the paint quality is better with Angell.

I remember the matte black paint on my old Custom 95 chipping quite a bit. The white chipped a lot as well. But starting with the introduction of Vantage Bastcore line, the paint quality went up, tough as a nail. But the design with all the larger decals was a bit too much for me, should I say, loud and gaudy.
 
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Day 3: hitting around

First of all I prefer the Angell look to the Vantages... I also like the "A" logo kinda anarchy meets scarlet letter meets aquaman:



Was basically just hitting around with a player Ive been giving some tips to in the park. The nice thing about this guy is he donesnt avoid my backhand and it really helped me get a lot of them in. I added more lead at 3 and 9 and to the tip of the handle and theTC95 is bossing the ball even more.

Finally was able to try out slice backhands extensively and the TC95 is exceptional at this... low penetrating... wonderful on high balls.

Volleys were impressive and a lady and her daughter who were watching came over afterwards to compliment me on my awesome backhands. A good sign when people in the park think it looks good.

Im still a little unsure of my depth on some shots but I think it is the string as whenever I make a point to topspin it deep it works. Very curious to try RS Lyon strings, the Adrenaline Im currently using has some spin but only levels similar to Silverstring (not bad but not exceptional). I want something a bit deader and crisper.
 
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Volkl Cyclone is deader and crisper.

I haven't had much chances to play lately, but I did rework weight on my TC95/63 - lead [1-5+8-11] [on V-throat], also some lead [under the grip] and TW 1.5mm leather.

So I'm arriving at 12.65oz and 5 points HL...feels much better to swing than my prior try that ended up being 12.2oz 2hl, accelerates very smooth and swift, can keep my arm relaxed. I try this and that but keep coming back to around this spec.

Now I can give apples to apples review of TC95/63 vs TC97 and LM Radical.
 
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Volkl Cyclone is deader and crisper.

I haven't had much chances to play lately, but I did rework weight on my TC95/63 - lead [1-5+8-11] [on V-throat], also some lead [under the grip] and TW 1.5mm leather.

So I'm arriving at 12.65oz and 5 points HL...feels much better to swing than my prior try that ended up being 12.2oz 2hl, accelerates very smooth and swift, can keep my arm relaxed. I try this and that but keep coming back to around this spec.

Now I can give apples to apples review of TC95/63 vs TC97 and LM Radical.
Yeah I really like Cyclone, best returning string Ive ever used but it gets a little non-linear ... ie unpredictable bursts of power or spin. I kinda like that chaos but my backhand does not, its a big flashy uncoil into a swing then high follow through and since im usually aiming for lines an extra hotspot can get in the way. Great string though. Right now im looking at RS Lyon, Red Ghost, Hyper Cable and Hyper G.

Very curious what you say about the TC97, so many of my hitting partners have it on their short list.

I don't even know what this means but the pic made me laugh.
David Bowie once gave a remarkable short interview and he mentioned that whenever he got stuck with lyrics he'd resort to, "overwhelming illogic." Obviously an "A" logo works for Angell as a brand. Some day we will learn what "TC" actually means, probably "The Custom".

One last thing... the TC 95 is definitely easier on my shoulder than the Pacific though when hitting with my pacific I could tell I was way more grooved with it... I needed to swing out on everything but I felt completely sure of those swings. I think it is time to try different strings soon as adrenaline lacks some crispness and spin potential. Im having to be very intentional about topspin on backcourt rallies... I can tell it isnt the racquet. Hoping so. Im also considering an 18x20 if it isnt the strings (but I dont think it is, when I hit long its like by 1-4 inches max).
 
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Yeah I really like Cyclone, best returning string Ive ever used but it gets a little non-linear ... ie unpredictable bursts of power or spin. I kinda like that chaos but my backhand does not, its a big flashy uncoil into a swing then high follow through and since im usually aiming for lines an extra hotspot can get in the way. Great string though. Right now im looking at RS Lyon, Red Ghost, Hyper Cable and Hyper G.
Maybe thats from the fact that the shaped main is riding on shaped cross - so the resistance could be uneven depending on how the string edges are positioned.

I think putting Cyclone on the main will give you deader, crisper response with good bite, but then stringing the cross with a round poly like Silverstring will give you more even string-on-string friction.

I do hear good things about RS Lyon..but it seems like it would be on the softer side.
 
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