Angell TC95 vs RF97

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
Hi,

Is there anyone that has both?
I have a big itch to try the TC95 330g 16x19 70RA with a 355sw, but I don't know if it's worth the money.

I now use the RF97, but despite the fact that it feels much better than other "modern" racquets, it still feels cheap compared to sticks 15 years old.

My understanding is that the Angell racquets are made with better quality materials and build, having the old feel when holding and hitting.

Is it worth it? Thanks.
 

Soundbyte

Hall of Fame
Why not just use an older frame? Pick a POG OS, or POG Mid, or Classic Prestige...there's tons of great options out there. If you're looking for something that has that older "feel"..its all subjective so you'll need to just demo to find what your looking for.

If you're looking for a "modern" stick with great feel and attributes of older rackets, look at the ProKennex Redondo, Any Pacific Frame, the Volkl C10 Pro, Prince Classic frames (Response, Graphite), or Technifibre 315 Ltd (needs lead). All of these frames have that classic feel and are readily available. They range from 90" to 107" in size, so you can find a spec for you.
 

thatguymattin

Semi-Pro
If quality is an issue, go with Pacific or Yonex, because they are known for good quality products. Wilson, on the other hand, is notorious for their quality control, with varying products that differ in 20 grams or something extreme.
 

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
They are kind of hard to find here. Plus, the Angell is more future oriented, meaning that 5 years from now one should still be able to buy the same racquet and spec. Plus the itch :)
 

rlau

Hall of Fame
Angell are great frames. Great build quality, foam-filled. Very solid. Scratch that itch ;-)
 

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
If they are so great, why don't people rush to get them?

I'd hate to buy one, play 4 hours, and get back to the RF97. My wife would kill me. It would be my 14th racquet in 8 months.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
If they are so great, why don't people rush to get them?

I'd hate to buy one, play 4 hours, and get back to the RF97. My wife would kill me. It would be my 14th racquet in 8 months.

they are indeed great sticks. if they weren't i wouldn't own so many of them.
 

Squidward

Rookie
If they are so great, why don't people rush to get them?

I'd hate to buy one, play 4 hours, and get back to the RF97. My wife would kill me. It would be my 14th racquet in 8 months.

Keep an eye out for them on the bay. I picked up a couple for a song!
 

kailash

Hall of Fame
Hi,

Is there anyone that has both?
I have a big itch to try the TC95 330g 16x19 70RA with a 355sw, but I don't know if it's worth the money.

I now use the RF97, but despite the fact that it feels much better than other "modern" racquets, it still feels cheap compared to sticks 15 years old.

My understanding is that the Angell racquets are made with better quality materials and build, having the old feel when holding and hitting.

Is it worth it? Thanks.

Some review on this thread which might help you: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=444060.

The pictures of Angell look nice!
 

kailash

Hall of Fame
Thinking about it, if TW can carry this brand and provide some demo rackets, Angell might sell more! Win-win-win scenario; for customers, Angell & TW.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Hi,

Is there anyone that has both?
I have a big itch to try the TC95 330g 16x19 70RA with a 355sw, but I don't know if it's worth the money.

I now use the RF97, but despite the fact that it feels much better than other "modern" racquets, it still feels cheap compared to sticks 15 years old.

My understanding is that the Angell racquets are made with better quality materials and build, having the old feel when holding and hitting.

Is it worth it? Thanks.
Have you tried any slightly older Dunlops?

The Aerogels have a lot of the old school feel. (Really nice QC also.)
 

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
Yes, my coach (former ATP player) has a ~10-15yo Dunlop 200 racquet that I really like, hence my attention towards Angell.

The difference in feel between that racquet and my RF97 is like between a Katana and a wooden sword. From the momeny you pick it up. No words to describe it.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Nothing I've ever owned (and I've owned every major brand with the possible exception of Dunlop) is built like an Angell. I can't count the number of times I've banged the thing on the cement and not a single chip in the finish. The opposite extreme, I suppose, is Babolat, as I've had lots of paint come off merely from removing lead tape.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Hi,

Is there anyone that has both?
I have a big itch to try the TC95 330g 16x19 70RA with a 355sw, but I don't know if it's worth the money.

I now use the RF97, but despite the fact that it feels much better than other "modern" racquets, it still feels cheap compared to sticks 15 years old.

My understanding is that the Angell racquets are made with better quality materials and build, having the old feel when holding and hitting.

Is it worth it? Thanks.

I hit briefly with the 97 and never used an angell. Have you tried the 6.1 95 (18x20)?

I have used all kind of old school rackets and love that feel and some modern ones. 6.1 is the most solid and vibration free racket I have EVER used. Better than the POG, better than the PS85, etc.
 

RobFL

Rookie
I have both. 1 pristine Angell TC95 in the exact specs you posted and (6) RF97As. I play the RF97A. First off, the TC95 is very high quality. The TC95 actually serves better and swings quicker than its swingweight. Excellent aerodynamics would be my guess. I never really gave the TC95 an extended play test. It played great but my home club is har-tru and I thought other sticks hit a little heavier ball, which I need on clay. The TC95 would be an excellent hard court stick due to how quickly it gets through the ball. I'll make you a great deal on a pristine Angell in L3.
 

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
I have both. 1 pristine Angell TC95 in the exact specs you posted and (6) RF97As. I play the RF97A. First off, the TC95 is very high quality. The TC95 actually serves better and swings quicker than its swingweight. Excellent aerodynamics would be my guess. I never really gave the TC95 an extended play test. It played great but my home club is har-tru and I thought other sticks hit a little heavier ball, which I need on clay. The TC95 would be an excellent hard court stick due to how quickly it gets through the ball. I'll make you a great deal on a pristine Angell in L3.

So how do you compare the two in terms of:
- plow-through/power
- stability
- precision
- spin
- flat serve
- kick serve
- launch angle
- volley
- vibrations

I also play on clay. Thanks!
 

RobFL

Rookie
RF97A has slightly more plow, stability, precision and maybe a little lower launch angle. All as expected since it has a little more mass.

Angell TC95 imparted a little more spin and served better; flat, kick and slider all better.

I never experimented with lead tape on the TC95 but you ought to be able to produce a little heavier ball on clay with a little modification.
 

Bogdan_TT

Hall of Fame
RF97A has slightly more plow, stability, precision and maybe a little lower launch angle. All as expected since it has a little more mass.

Angell TC95 imparted a little more spin and served better; flat, kick and slider all better.

I never experimented with lead tape on the TC95 but you ought to be able to produce a little heavier ball on clay with a little modification.

Thanks! I just ordered one tonight from our Angell subsidiary (guy) here in Romania. Will get it on Saturday. Can hardly wait :) Will let you guys know, if interested.
 
Thanks! I just ordered one tonight from our Angell subsidiary (guy) here in Romania. Will get it on Saturday. Can hardly wait :) Will let you guys know, if interested.

cool let us know what you think... I love my pacifics but the Angell tc95 at 63ra and open pattern has always intrigued me. I like Paul's old dunlop frames.
 

jmc3367

Rookie
Can't you just sell 2 or 3 of the ones you bought and turn that into an Angell?

my thoughts as well. I have owned probably 10 different sticks in the last 8-10 months but usually only have a couple different ones at any one time. I love racket trades.
 
From which Dunlop series do the Angells descend?

200g, Muscle Weave and hot melt... read up on it here http://www.angelltennis.com/about-us/

Basically, dunlop used to be known for some really solid and arm friendly frames but the processes have gotten cheaper... only a few brands like Pacific and Yonex adhere to somewhat similar principles but Paul's "Angells" are the only foam filled frames that I can get speced custom. Part of my problem in getting one is I kinda want to try one that is just slightly longer but Im likely to prefer the 27 inch. Id like to do a review comparing the TC 95 63 RA 11.7oz 10pts HL to the Prince Textreme 95 and my current frame the Pacific X Feel pro 95. The problem with the XPF 95 is it is the most accurate 95 out there... it also has very very little free power... far less than the prince and the angell. Im not getting any younger (44) but Im in very good shape and quite strong. How long can I play with the XPF95 realistically? Then there is the issue of Pacific reportedly discontinuing it?
 

JohnBPittsburgh

Hall of Fame
Definitely post your thoughts on the Angell, I have a 95 and a 100 both 63 RA and I love them. My 95 has seen less action, as I am trying very hard to commit to one frame at a time (it is quite difficult because I went into 'holic BEAST MODE) If a game matters, there is no question, the TC 100 is coming out to play :) I would like to hear yur thoughts on your new purchase!
 
Definitely post your thoughts on the Angell, I have a 95 and a 100 both 63 RA and I love them. My 95 has seen less action, as I am trying very hard to commit to one frame at a time (it is quite difficult because I went into 'holic BEAST MODE) If a game matters, there is no question, the TC 100 is coming out to play :) I would like to hear yur thoughts on your new purchase!

Curious about your TC 95 experience... is it lower powered than the textreme 95? spin comparisons and on serve? I use theX Feel pro 95 which is very demanding but I love it... though I sacrifice puresurving power andgo for accuacy with it (serves in the 120's so nothing to sneeze at...it actually improved my second serve from the head IG prestige mp)
 

sma1001

Hall of Fame
JohnB - What specs are your TC100? How does it play? And what does it most closely resemble in terms of other racquets out there? Just so we can get some flavour of what it is like. Am considering a TC100, hence the question.
 

-Bobo-

Semi-Pro
RF97A has slightly more plow, stability, precision and maybe a little lower launch angle. All as expected since it has a little more mass.

Angell TC95 imparted a little more spin and served better; flat, kick and slider all better.

I never experimented with lead tape on the TC95 but you ought to be able to produce a little heavier ball on clay with a little modification.

Interesting, i would disagree in terms of stability id say they're even and the Angell definitely wins for precision for me.

Where i'd give the advantage to the RF97 is plow, spin and power, its less muted too, but that depends on what you like.
 
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