Angell vs Ultra Tour

[ed70]

Just won an open mixed dubs tournament today with my tc97 16x19 strung with Weiss cannon scorpion @ 50lbs. felt my arm a bit with scorpion, maybe stiffer than silver string? Cant be happier with my tc 97, but have always appreciated certain Wilson frames and head prestiges usually in 18x20. I have an UT, really like it mines 61ra strung has real nice feel and is laser accurate...it's no Angell though they have a kind of different feel to all other frames, you need to persevere with them, experiment with strings etc, too many people seem to chop and change racquets before they have dialled in, it took me a good 3 months before I was real certain the Angell was for me.

 

[Unchi]

How about TC100 in 16X20 or 18X20? I'd be interested.

 

[Tommy Haas]

Just won an open mixed dubs tournament today with my tc97 16x19 strung with Weiss cannon scorpion @ 50lbs. felt my arm a bit with scorpion, maybe stiffer than silver string? Cant be happier with my tc 97, but have always appreciated certain Wilson frames and head prestiges usually in 18x20. I have an UT, really like it mines 61ra strung has real nice feel and is laser accurate...it's no Angell though they have a kind of different feel to all other frames, you need to persevere with them, experiment with strings etc, too many people seem to chop and change racquets before they have dialled in, it took me a good 3 months before I was real certain the Angell was for me.

Hit me up when you're ready to sell your 61RA strung Ultra Tour. By then after some more string jobs. It could be 59RA and that'll save me from many sacrificial string jobs to get the RA under 60.

 

[ed70]

Hit me up when you're ready to sell your 61RA strung Ultra Tour. By then after some more string jobs. It could be 59RA and that'll save me from many sacrificial string jobs to get the RA under 60.

Haha, will be keeping it and experimenting with weight and string, will be a nice addition to my Angell and youtek prestige MP.

 

[tennisreflectslife]

Just won an open mixed dubs tournament today with my tc97 16x19 strung with Weiss cannon scorpion @ 50lbs. felt my arm a bit with scorpion, maybe stiffer than silver string? Cant be happier with my tc 97, but have always appreciated certain Wilson frames and head prestiges usually in 18x20. I have an UT, really like it mines 61ra strung has real nice feel and is laser accurate...it's no Angell though they have a kind of different feel to all other frames, you need to persevere with them, experiment with strings etc, too many people seem to chop and change racquets before they have dialled in, it took me a good 3 months before I was real certain the Angell was for me.

Hey ! I have an angell tc97 16x19 too, and am interested in the UT, so would really love to hear details on their comparison. The angell is my main stick right now and I really like it, but I feel the strings lose playbility too fast (like in 5 hrs or so of hitting). After that I start losing lose control. I have mine in the 330gms 305 mm setup (unstrung) setup with 5gms more weight at 12. Do u feel UT performs better on flat shots ? Thanks !

 

[GoSurfBoy]

You can get your hands on Angell demos in the USA...google is your friend.

Actually, Google is NOT your friend. One day you'll realize this.....

 

[ed70]

Hey ! I have an angell tc97 16x19 too, and am interested in the UT, so would really love to hear details on their comparison. The angell is my main stick right now and I really like it, but I feel the strings lose playbility too fast (like in 5 hrs or so of hitting). After that I start losing lose control. I have mine in the 330gms 305 mm setup (unstrung) setup with 5gms more weight at 12. Do u feel UT performs better on flat shots ? Thanks !

Wouldn't like to do a like for like comparison because I've pretty much played solidly for over a year with my Angell, and its my weapon of choice for match's. UT I'm playing with weight and just using it for social fun atm. Early impressions of the UT are a very slight increase in precision, slightly lower launch angle with UT, (i don't deem the 16x19 tc97 to be a spin monster and is very easy to flatten shots out) weight for weight Angell has slight more power. UT I really enjoy volleys. To be honest it's what I expected, it's kind of like saying what's the difference between a 16x19 and 18x20 in a 97 head. I'm not sure why you struggle with strings in your tc97, I think they play great with poly, or in hybrids.

 

[tennisreflectslife]

Wouldn't like to do a like for like comparison because I've pretty much played solidly for over a year with my Angell, and its my weapon of choice for match's. UT I'm playing with weight and just using it for social fun atm. Early impressions of the UT are a very slight increase in precision, slightly lower launch angle with UT, (i don't deem the 16x19 tc97 to be a spin monster and is very easy to flatten shots out) weight for weight Angell has slight more power. UT I really enjoy volleys. To be honest it's what I expected, it's kind of like saying what's the difference between a 16x19 and 18x20 in a 97 head. I'm not sure why you struggle with strings in your tc97, I think they play great with poly, or in hybrids.

Thanks for the response ! So I guess I have to decide if I want 18x20 or a 16x19 stick. I am also surprised by the relatively quick drop in string playbility with my tc97, as it doesnt happen in the rf97 that I have which is also 16x19. Nevertheless, tc97 is a great racket, I am also not sure if something else will make me happy. Might try UT for just for fun and customization experiments. Thanks !

 

[Tommy Haas]

Thanks for the response ! So I guess I have to decide if I want 18x20 or a 16x19 stick. I am also surprised by the relatively quick drop in string playbility with my tc97, as it doesnt happen in the rf97 that I have which is also 16x19. Nevertheless, tc97 is a great racket, I am also not sure if something else will make me happy. Might try UT for just for fun and customization experiments. Thanks !

Take a close look at the grommets of your TC97 and RF97. Does the Angell have parallel drilled grommets? If yes and the RF97 doesn't, then that would explain the quicker tension loss as the strings in a parallel drilled frame will move more which reduces string life, but you get a bigger sweet spot in return.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

He explained a long time ago. The main problem is in available raw material, graphite prepregs used to construct a layup. Currently available graphite comes from the aeroindustry, it's a HM graphite stiffer than what would be ideal for tennis racquets considering comfort (playability is another issue, HM graphite performs fine there). To be able to drop the RA yet have enough firmness and durability in a frame, Paul combines prepregs with particles at orientation of 0, 30 and 60 degrees, which recquires more layers than usual simple 0+90 degrees construction which typically creates a racquet around 70 RA strung with the minimum number of layers. Still, given a number of needed layers to meet required firmness and durability, there's a flex limit for this design construction, I suppose.

The obvious problem is raw material market. Aeroindustry has high demand and it seems they dictate both what is being manufactured and available capacity. My speculation is that manufacturing of lower modulus (softer) graphite prepregs, as a custom order, might have a drastically higher price, completely unrealistic for smaller custom orders. I suspect this is the reason why tennis manufacturers, even the biggest ones, avoid making anything with the strung RA in 50's. The only racquets made such are either very light racquets (with its durability under question mark), or through using composites of graphite plus softer material layers (or braided fibres like Wilson does it) to get some additional flex, but either such rarely go to 50's RA strung for some reason.

Besides all said, on a shorter run with the stiffer frames it's actually easier to play better tennis because of more forgiveness from a bigger sweet spot and hence easier power. I guess there's space to go flexy at the throat but stiffer in the hoop and that this is the way to go. If I was a racquet designer I'd allow myself to use a composite layup for the throat, but a 100% graphite hoop with some clever layup design like Paul does, letting the flex issue mostly to the throat. My opinion is that flex in the throat is most responsible for comfort, there are reasons for this.

Other than this I believe Paul's designs are a mastery. I also believe if he had on his dispositon raw material of modulus of his choice, the very same designs plus this raw material would create racquets which would make players who had them to never look back or further for anything else. Firmer feel you get at least on some Angell's is a direct consequence of HM raw material he has on disposition, I'm quite sure about this.

Prince has apparently been exploring the flexible/dampened throat concept with Textreme and now Kevlar/Twaron; life in Japan looks good.

 

[Tommy Haas]

Prince has apparently been exploring the flexible/dampened throat concept with Textreme and now Kevlar/Twaron; life in Japan looks good.

Maybe players in Japan are not as obsessed with power as American players.

 

[jmacdaununder2]

I can't complain, the 63ra strung tc97 feels buttery smooth. A 55-58ra strung like my pt630's would be delightful indeed. I'm sure one day we will see this from him and others, Wilson are heading in the right direction with this line (never thought i'd say that)

Can we call one apparently stand alone racquet a line? Wilson have never been shy about producing non core lines which borrow heavily on other brands DNA in order to grab a few more sales and lure some extra consumers their way.

 

[topspn]

Can we call one apparently stand alone racquet a line? Wilson have never been shy about producing non core lines which borrow heavily on other brands DNA in order to grab a few more sales and lure some extra consumers their way.

He has a good point, calling it line is silly with zero connection to the rest. Nevertheless, good try by Wilson to make an interesting frame

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Just won an open mixed dubs tournament today...

Best to keep these things to yourself; or maybe your close friends...

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Okay, I know, cheap shot - yellow card accepted, sorry...

 

[am1899]

Actually, Google is NOT your friend. One day you'll realize this.....

It was a figure of speech. But to your point, in poor taste - b/c sadly, I'm all too aware that Google is anything but mine (or anyone else's) friend.

 

[DJ-]

Can we call one apparently stand alone racquet a line? Wilson have never been shy about producing non core lines which borrow heavily on other brands DNA in order to grab a few more sales and lure some extra consumers their way.

Okay mate, replace line with 'racquet' ... either way this is good for us consumers

 

[haqq777]

Okay, I know, cheap shot - yellow card accepted, sorry...

You related to @n8dawg6 by any chance? lol - been on fire lately eh?

 

[jmacdaununder2]

Ah, @n8dawg6, we've been buddies for a long time. In fact, just the other day, he tried to get me to experiment with 'Volkl'; actually he insisted I take his 'Volkl', and gave it to me; I hesitated at first, but then I realised his 'Volkl' was a good thing. After I'd enjoyed it for a while, I of course returned his 'Volkl' with many compliments.

 

[Cavvallini]

Maybe players in Japan are not as obsessed with power as American players.

And that would make historical/cultural sense, wouldn't it.

 

[Mirdad]

It won't...they have the same angell feel that I think you don't gell with. Yes they flex differently but I think feel is what you don't like. I owned both and tc95 is better for me but we are amplifying margins here...also if you string them high above 50 in my exp. they will feel boardy, so if you are not use to playing with low tension I think angell might not be for you.

I felt exactly what you felt with both tc97 and tc95 but I played them strung at 55. These days I let them settle in their tension (drop to) 45 before I play them. So in other words I have two I string one at 55 and I don't play it till other string bed with poly dies, than I pick up other one which was strung a week ago but fresh and at that point it's usually around 45lb.

I think ultra tour would work for you or pacific pro 1 or phantom.

Phantom and pro 1 are especially similar to volkl feel

Recently, I hit with a TC100 70RA demo, strung only at #50 w/discho semi gut strings. It was a tiny bit stiff but was very pleased with the overall performance of the racquet and was pretty whippy despite being 100 sq ". I think my stringer blew it with my TC95 and strung it too tight; I regrettably gave up on it too early. However, as it turns out, I do prefer a slightly larger head frame so I'd like to go with either a TC100 63RA or TC97 16X19. I like my Prince Phantom but don't care for the 16x18 string pattern; prefer 16x19. I"m thinking the TC100 63RA would be the safest bet. From reading various messages it appears that the TC100 63RA will be more powerful than the TC97 and might even be easier on the arm since it's got a larger sweet spot. I hit lots of topspin but also like to flatten out on some bullets too. I was surprised at how well I was able to hit flat with the TC100; sure doesn't feel like a 100 sq" frame like the Phantom.

 

[dgoran]

Recently, I hit with a TC100 70RA demo, strung only at #50 w/discho semi gut strings. It was a tiny bit stiff but was very pleased with the overall performance of the racquet and was pretty whippy despite being 100 sq ". I think my stringer blew it with my TC95 and strung it too tight; I regrettably gave up on it too early. However, as it turns out, I do prefer a slightly larger head frame so I'd like to go with either a TC100 63RA or TC97 16X19. I like my Prince Phantom but don't care for the 16x18 string pattern; prefer 16x19. I"m thinking the TC100 63RA would be the safest bet. From reading various messages it appears that the TC100 63RA will be more powerful than the TC97 and might even be easier on the arm since it's got a larger sweet spot. I hit lots of topspin but also like to flatten out on some bullets too. I was surprised at how well I was able to hit flat with the TC100; sure doesn't feel like a 100 sq" frame like the Phantom.

What about phantom’s string pattern bothers you? I found it to be very predictable

 

[Mirdad]

What about phantom’s string pattern bothers you? I found it to be very predictable

I'm finding some issues with consistency, especially with my 2HBH. However, one of my hitting partners who hits lots of flat balls and slices swears that I hit great with the Phantom. I find if I flatten out on incoming topspin shots with a lot of pace the ball sails long (something I attribute to the 16x18 pattern). However, if I am willing to hit back a more defensive shot with heavy topspin, I have no problems. I have to say though that as I age, this may not be a big deal as the darn racquet is so easy on the arm. I'll probably keep the Phantom and use it when my arm feels fatigue. It just does not exhibit exciting put a way power. It's a great racquet if you want to out rally your opponent. I really liked the put a way power of the TC100, but am thinking the 63RA will work best for me than the 70.

 

[joohan]

I'm finding some issues with consistency, especially with my 2HBH. However, one of my hitting partners who hits lots of flat balls and slices swears that I hit great with the Phantom. I find if I flatten out on incoming topspin shots with a lot of pace the ball sails long (something I attribute to the 16x18 pattern). However, if I am willing to hit back a more defensive shot with heavy topspin, I have no problems. I have to say though that as I age, this may not be a big deal as the darn racquet is so easy on the arm. I'll probably keep the Phantom and use it when my arm feels fatigue. It just does not exhibit exciting put a way power. It's a great racquet if you want to out rally your opponent. I really liked the put a way power of the TC100, but am thinking the 63RA will work best for me than the 70.

It might be worth exploring how the Phantom flexes. Flattening out incoming topspin might be tricky with super soft, super flexy frame due to slight trampoline effect that might decrease precision. 63RA TC100 does not suffer from this at all because of its unique uniform flex. I can alternate between heavy top and flat strokes effortlessly and it makes for a great rhythm disrupting tactics.

 

[Backhanded Compliment]

Just won an open mixed dubs tournament today with my tc97 16x19 strung with Weiss cannon scorpion @ 50lbs. felt my arm a bit with scorpion, maybe stiffer than silver string? Cant be happier with my tc 97, but have always appreciated certain Wilson frames and head prestiges usually in 18x20. I have an UT, really like it mines 61ra strung has real nice feel and is laser accurate...it's no Angell though they have a kind of different feel to all other frames, you need to persevere with them, experiment with strings etc, too many people seem to chop and change racquets before they have dialled in, it took me a good 3 months before I was real certain the Angell was for me.

Yeah it took me 3-4 months to dial in the tc95... it was a big adjustment but worth it. Im now playing a smoother more relaxed game and probably hitting harder with more spin to boot. Wins all around.

It might be worth exploring how the Phantom flexes. Flattening out incoming topspin might be tricky with super soft, super flexy frame due to slight trampoline effect that might decrease precision. 63RA TC100 does not suffer from this at all because of its unique uniform flex. I can alternate between heavy top and flat strokes effortlessly and it makes for a great rhythm disrupting tactics.

I hadnt connected the disruptive tactics of the Angell 63ra to its uniform flex but I think you are right... it gives disguise. A standard rally shot can look similar from across the court but slight alterations make one ball bounce high above the opponent's shoulder the next penetrates the court more quickly. It yields free points and in competitive matches those can really matter.

 

[Mirdad]

It might be worth exploring how the Phantom flexes. Flattening out incoming topspin might be tricky with super soft, super flexy frame due to slight trampoline effect that might decrease precision. 63RA TC100 does not suffer from this at all because of its unique uniform flex. I can alternate between heavy top and flat strokes effortlessly and it makes for a great rhythm disrupting tactics.

I am not sure if it's the trampoline effect or just the fact that the racquet flexes so much when interacting with incoming heavy pace. Probably a combination of both factors. It's only natural for heavy shots to bend a flexy hoop and then there is the resulting trampoline effect. Then one has to take into consideration the fact that the 16x18 string pattern puts less control on the ball versus a more dense pattern. This is a recipe for some errant shot making. I happen to like both the uniform flex of the TC100 and the flex in the hoop of the Phantom. IMO, since the Phantom flexes too much when dealing with pace I would pretty much have to leave it in my bag and reserve it for "sore shoulder day." I was really impressed with the TC100 and feel it does not play like a true 100 sq " frame. It's even more of a baseline's dream than the Phantom as you can flatter shots with confidence much like a smaller frame. Also, you can hit killer topspin that rivals or exceeds the more open Phantom frame. I've put in an order for a TC100 63RA 310/315. Looks like they are out of stock on 63's but should be in within a week or so according to Paul.

 

[joohan]

I am not sure if it's the trampoline effect or just the fact that the racquet flexes so much when interacting with incoming heavy pace. Probably a combination of both factors. It's only natural for heavy shots to bend a flexy hoop and then there is the resulting trampoline effect. Then one has to take into consideration the fact that the 16x18 string pattern puts less control on the ball versus a more dense pattern. This is a recipe for some errant shot making. I happen to like both the uniform flex of the TC100 and the flex in the hoop of the Phantom. IMO, since the Phantom flexes too much when dealing with pace I would pretty much have to leave it in my bag and reserve it for "sore shoulder day." I was really impressed with the TC100 and feel it does not play like a true 100 sq " frame. It's even more of a baseline's dream than the Phantom as you can flatter shots with confidence much like a smaller frame. Also, you can hit killer topspin that rivals or exceeds the more open Phantom frame. I've put in an order for a TC100 63RA 310/315. Looks like they are out of stock on 63's but should be in within a week or so according to Paul.

Exactly my specs. Hope it works well for you. I am truly committed and I'm not even tempted to try anything else. I have two, experimenting with strings a bit but pretty much settled on RS Lyon and Yonex Poly Tour Spin.

 

[haqq777]

I am not sure if it's the trampoline effect or just the fact that the racquet flexes so much when interacting with incoming heavy pace. Probably a combination of both factors. It's only natural for heavy shots to bend a flexy hoop and then there is the resulting trampoline effect. Then one has to take into consideration the fact that the 16x18 string pattern puts less control on the ball versus a more dense pattern. This is a recipe for some errant shot making. I happen to like both the uniform flex of the TC100 and the flex in the hoop of the Phantom. IMO, since the Phantom flexes too much when dealing with pace I would pretty much have to leave it in my bag and reserve it for "sore shoulder day." I was really impressed with the TC100 and feel it does not play like a true 100 sq " frame. It's even more of a baseline's dream than the Phantom as you can flatter shots with confidence much like a smaller frame. Also, you can hit killer topspin that rivals or exceeds the more open Phantom frame. I've put in an order for a TC100 63RA 310/315. Looks like they are out of stock on 63's but should be in within a week or so according to Paul.

Exactly my specs. Hope it works well for you. I am truly committed and I'm not even tempted to try anything else. I have two, experimenting with strings a bit but pretty much settled on RS Lyon and Yonex Poly Tour Spin.

310/315 has got to be the most popular spec for the Custom TC100 63 RA. I own 3 of them myself and know a few others with same specs too

 

[joohan]

310/315 has got to be the most popular spec for the Custom TC100 63 RA. I own 3 of them myself and know a few others with same specs too

It's reasonably light to fine tune with lead and the most HL option. Before, I'd go for 310/310 if that was an option (Dr98 specs) but a bit more head heavy is not a bad thing, especially with low static weight. I have 1g of lead at 12 for added bite but I could very well do just stock.

 

[Mirdad]

It's reasonably light to fine tune with lead and the most HL option. Before, I'd go for 310/310 if that was an option (Dr98 specs) but a bit more head heavy is not a bad thing, especially with low static weight. I have 1g of lead at 12 for added bite but I could very well do just stock.

I'm thinking I'll like the 310/315 frame fine in the stock specs. The TC100 70RA demo I tried was also a 310/315 spec. The 70RA swung very easy but I found it a tiny bit lacking in SW as I was getting ahead of my swing at times. It also felt a little stiff but still I'd describe it as comfortable. Therefore, the 63RA should be a good fit to my liking. I think 310/315 is so popular because it's just in the right zone to customize the racquet further. Better to err on the side of having to add weight rather than have something that is too heavy and nothing you can do about it. 320/310 might be the ideal spec for me but I didn't want to go too high as I don't know how I will do with the added SW. I can always add more weight to the lower grip to increase the whippiness of the racquet. If I do wind up liking the added weight then I'll probably get the 320/310 as my 2nd racquet.

 

[Imago]

TC97 is 67, it is maybe more flexy in the top of the loop (which I can't stand), but midsection is definitely stiffer.

It is more flexy in the hoop. I wouldn't say right at the top like Volkl PB10 but the flex of TC97 is definitely less uniform than that of TC95.

How do you solve this issue? By adding weight to 10 and 2?

 

[Anton]

How do you solve this issue? By adding weight to 10 and 2?

You can't fix flex....but if I was to try to make up for it then I'd try stringing upper loop crosses at lower tension, which would help the ball dig in up there.

 

[Imago]

You can't fix flex....but if I was to try to make up for it then I'd try stringing upper loop crosses at lower tension, which would help the ball dig in up there.

This (in proportional stringing) and probably trying to remove some weight from the hoop.

 

[redmini]

I personally wouldn't put silicone. The feel of the frame is perfect and doesn't need to be muted. I would just a fairway for weight on the handle and 6gms @12, 3, 9

And strung at 46. When strung at 54 it has no power and was boardy. At 46 (with poly tour fire ) it comes alive.


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[redmini]

I’ve been enjoying this thread but note that the Angell K7 Red has been overlooked so far. On the face of it it’s a close-ish in specs to the WUT, just 1” different in head size and 5g less weight, similar flex and beam too, though it’s a 16x19. There’s a couple of comments on the Angel Users thread but it’d be interesting to hear who’s tried both and reasons for settling on it or the WUT. Especially at close to stock weights (many here seem to use significantly higher weights).


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[anfield]

Angell K7 Red has been overlooked so far. On the face of it it’s a close-ish in specs to the WUT

I don't feel they are similar at all. First the K7 has a very open 16x19 pattern, like Belgian waffle open. The launch angle was very high for me. The UT is 18x20.
Second, the hoop on the K7 is not as solid as the UT. No matter how much lead I put in the K7 I could not get it as stable as a stock UT. I sold my K7 and TC95 16x19 because they had too open patterns for my liking.

I'm still with my Tour and Duel G because that 16x20 is almost perfect. I'm curious about the TC97 18x20 though. Seems fairly open for that pattern, right? Can anyone compare UT vs TC97 18x20 string density please. Also, the flex in a TC97, more similar to the TourG or DuelG, seems like it's closer to the flexy Tour G.

 

[Crocodile]

Ed, you've got great experience playing with the TC97 16x19. I was curious if you've ever hit with the Volkl C10 Pro? If so, I was wondering how you would compare the two? As you know, I have been hitting with the TC95 16x19 and find it a bit too crisp for my shoulder. During the same hitting session, I hit with the C10 Pro and my shoulder loves the feeling very much in comparison. My biggest two knocks against the C10 Pro is I'm not able to generate as much topspin and the racquet is a bit too heavy for my liking, but again, I sure love the feel. It appears that my shoulder enjoys the flex in the Volkl racquet versus the TC95. So I was wondering if the TC97 16x19 might feel similar to the C10 Pro? It's my understanding that the TC97 has a nice flex to it in the hoop and was wondering how the feel compared to the C10? The advantage of me going with he TC97 is that I can customize if to a lower static weight yet keep the same head light balance
Thanks.

I have both C 10 and TC97. The C10 has a leather grip and the TC is 330/305 version 16/19, 66 RA. Both are great racquets with the C10 having the softer feel.

 

[recsoares]

Ok so tonight I played for about two hours with the Ultra Tour. It is a surprisingly stable racquet, I hit the first 20min completely stock (besides the og) and it was already really pretty good. I read all the post about it being underpowered but I still managed a 86mph forehand (Sony Sensor) completely stock. But it is too light and too low a SW for me and I added about 5g from 10 to 2 right after this.

It is a very precise frame, ball will go exactly where you point it. Spin and power were excellent for me. It also felt quite good though not overly soft, I would have prefered if Wilson would have offered it at sub 60ra.

Now compared to the TC97... That's a tough one. The Tc97 18m have been my main frames for the last year and they are perfectly tuned while the UT I just got it today and put some lead on it. So for now the TC97 is still the best frame in my opinion. Pretty sure the UT could be tuned to rival them. But as of now, I feel like I get more spin and more power from my TC97, but the UT feels more stable. If Angell didn't exist, I'd be happy with the Ultra Tour.

Two things that are less important but worth considering, first, the sound from the Ultra Tour is pretty good. Sounds like a quality frame. I hate when a frame has a high pitch sound, this Wilson doesn't have this problem. Second, the paint looks pretty good. Not sure it is as high quality as the Angell, but it does look pretty nice, the light blue pops out against the dark blue.

Final thought, I hit a couple service returns that I hit squarely in the sweet spot and it felt awesome. Hard to explain but very satisfying sound, and the ball just shot out of the racquet like a cannonball. Felt real good.

I'm pretty sure this won't replace my Angells, but I can tell you the UT is a very good frame stock and has lots of tuning room. I'm glad we finally have a solid player's frame offering from one of the big companies. I believe all the talk around Angell might have influenced Wilson. But you can't beat Angell with customization, my Angells TC97 18m are 27,5in long. Paul will make the frame I want while I can make the UT close to what I need, but it can hardly be exactly like I want it.

Wich specs are your TC97 18x20?


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[recsoares]

I don't feel they are similar at all. First the K7 has a very open 16x19 pattern, like Belgian waffle open. The launch angle was very high for me. The UT is 18x20.
Second, the hoop on the K7 is not as solid as the UT. No matter how much lead I put in the K7 I could not get it as stable as a stock UT. I sold my K7 and TC95 16x19 because they had too open patterns for my liking.

I'm still with my Tour and Duel G because that 16x20 is almost perfect. I'm curious about the TC97 18x20 though. Seems fairly open for that pattern, right? Can anyone compare UT vs TC97 18x20 string density please. Also, the flex in a TC97, more similar to the TourG or DuelG, seems like it's closer to the flexy Tour G.

I would like this comparison too!
Angell TC97 18x20 vs WUT!


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[AMGF]

Wich specs are your TC97 18x20?


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I don’t have them anymore, but the were 27,5in, ~345g, 7hl, 360sw.