Annacone: Kyrgios is the most talented player since Roger Federer arrived

[Omega_7000]

He's got the type of game that can dominate. Big game with serious weapons. Just needs to sort out his head. Agree with Annacone here.

 

[kabob]

OMG! If you tied me to a tree, I couldn't name a single song by Adele or Britney Spears. Having said that, your analogy is flawed if you are trying to say Nadal achieved more because of some kind of extraneous help not because of his talent.

Obviously, that's not what I'm saying at all. I didn't even mention Nadal. I have no idea where your mind is if that's the conclusion you came up with. Well, what do you know if you still need another analogy to understand the difference between raw talent and accomplishments?

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Only, it isn't my main criteria at all. In our exchange your were the first to mention Kyrgios' accomplishments. Presumably to prove some kind of a point, right? Or so I thought. Well, I countered that by showing that Federer accomplished even more at a similar age.
But my main reason for thinking that Federer is more talented than either player is the fact that I found his game to be better and to possess more potential than either of theirs. No 'dilemma' to speak of (I'll state once more that I feel the gap is much smaller between Federer-Nadal than Federer-Kyrgios). You coyly entertained the idea that the premise of the thread may very well be true, so I asked, in earnest, for you to validate your original post. If you're not interested in doing so, fair enough, totally your prerogative. Just plz don't say that I've claimed things which I clearly haven't

Often in tennis, in my opinion, to have a raw talent, can work against the player. They get used to learning quick from young age and when they have to raise the level the will to work for it is not that strong. Often the most talented players never reach the top because of this. The guy in my avatar f.ex is a player I think is in that category, Nick too. The difference with Nick is that he seems more hungry than Ernest. Safin .......
I have a feeling that both Rafa and Roger have many more practice hours from young age than so many other players have.

 

[cc0509]

More interesting (which is quite subjective) =/ more talented. What is one common denominator among 10+ slam winners? Great movement and footwork, Djok/Nadal are on another plane in that regard for starters. Nadal's shotmaking talent is also quite underrated (often by his own fans even), what do you call those ridiculous passes (heck as a fellow Fed fan you know what I'm talking about) or that monstrous FH when he's confident, comes out of his defensive shell and lets loose off that side? Also keep in mind we're talking about a guy that started winning big titles on every surface as teenager.

Or talking about Novak, you don't consider his precise ballstriking, innate ability to redirect pace probably better than anyone I've seen or his ROS (that gave nightmares to two of the best players to ever pick up a racquet) to be talent? You don't storm a slam tourney at 20 the way Novak did in 2008 AO (some of the best HC tennis I've seen) or utterly dominate the field week-in week-out the way he did in 2011 and 2015 without being uniquely talented.

I think Nadal and Djokovic are extremely talented for different reasons and yes Nadal had incredible explosive shotmaking talent in his prime. But in this instance we're talking about natural creative shotmaking ability on the fly (as Annacone defines it) and IMO Kyrgios is phenomenal in this area. It's too bad he may probably never capitalize on his natural talent because of his attitude and lack of a work ethic. It would be a real waste of talent if that happened IMO.

 

[cc0509]

if we're talking creative shotmaking element alone, dolgopolov is far ahead of kyrgios. dude can do ridiculous stuff with the ball, wicked slice, sudden accelerations off both wings etc ...

I would agree with you about Dolgopolov. It's too bad he doesn't have the champion's mentality or that he suffers from an illness which may prevent him from being consistent. But Kyrgios is up there too. I think a lot of people don't want to give Kyrgios any credit because they don't like his personality and find him obnoxious. I think that colors the perception of some people? I find him extremely talented but sadly he probably won't maximize his potential because of his attitude.

 

[zalive]

He's got the type of game that can dominate.

That's the problem, he doesn't, at least not on return games. He can dominate only when he gets the initial advantage after his serve. Which are really excellent, and he's really good in converting the advantage of his serve. On return games it's a lot different story.

 

[Omega_7000]

That's the problem, he doesn't, at least not on return games. He can dominate only when he gets the initial advantage after his serve. Which are really excellent, and he's really good in converting the advantage of his serve. On return games it's a lot different story.

Every great player has one serious weapon which balances out another mediocre aspect of their game. His returns are improving and if he keeps improving there is no reason why he won't dominate. There are obviously no guarantees but he and Zverev are the only upcoming players with a potential to dominate.

 

[HuusHould]

One member of the big 4 has never lost to an Australian player.

Excluding Hopman Cup (Kyrgios in straight sets).

 

[every7]

One member of the big 4 has never lost to an Australian player.

Excluding Hopman Cup (Kyrgios in straight sets).

Murray has also lost in main draw doubles play to Australians. He's even been destroyed by his much less talented brother in a doubles match! (typical Andy Murray trolling tennis fans lol)

 

[adil1972]

Annacone: "Kyrgios is the most talented player since Roger Federer arrived"


Rafa, Djoker and Andy must be pissed off.


http://www.**************.org/news/...er-since-roger-federer-arrived-paul-annacone/

I disagree, but I want to hear your opinion.

can somebody please tell me how many slams kyrgios has won

i couldnt find this info on google or wikipedia

 

[Bender]

One member of the big 4 has never lost to an Australian player.

Must be fedr if you exclude the losses to Hewitt and Kyrgios

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Again, Annacone didn't compare achievements.

I'll use another athlete as an example, Barry Sanders. Barry was probably the most talented running back in the history of the NFL and won the rushing title multiple times. His ability to elude defenders and quickness was bar none. But Emmitt Smith has more career yards, more touchdowns, and 3 championships and was a more accomplished player because his career was longer and his circumstances more fortunate.

You couldn't have picked a worse illustration as far as I'm concerned. First of all, what I know about NFL couldn't compete with what a day old baby knows about it and second, you cannot compare team sport with individual sport. I have no idea who Barry Sanders is, never even heard his name nor Emmitt Smith.

So my point is invalid because you don't know American football? Lol. Okay, do you know singers? Adele is clearly crazy talented as a singer but she'll never achieve the album sales or notoriety of a Britney Spears who couldn't sing her way through a song without Autotune.

OMG! If you tied me to a tree, I couldn't name a single song by Adele or Britney Spears. Having said that, your analogy is flawed if you are trying to say Nadal achieved more because of some kind of extraneous help not because of his talent.

i don't know anything about football either but i definitely agree with you guys :
let's tie britney spears and the nadal to a tree !!!

 

[Incognito]

After Federer, there was a guy called Nadal. As a teenager would hit winners off both wings from impossible positions over and over again, sometimes with his eyes closed.

Kyrgios? Lol

 

[6-3 6-0]

Must be fedr if you exclude the losses to Hewitt and Kyrgios

Its Murray I believe he was talking about.

 

[Shaolin]

I think Nick should have given up on tennis young and become a baseball pitcher. His use of the throwing motion kinetic chain in his serve is utterly effortless and undeniably world class. And baseball pays a lot better than tennis, and demands a lot less hard work. You can go a lot further on talent alone. Oh well. Live, lose, and learn.

Dude would get bored with pitching in about 10 seconds.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

HMMMM

 

[zep]

Basically if you serve well and can hit a few flashy shots you're talented lol.

 

[NuBas]

Kyrgios is as talented as Jack Sock. He just looks more exotic which is why people think he so great but really he isn't.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Good call.

 

[Sport]

Kyrgios is as talented as Jack Sock. He just looks more exotic which is why people think he so great but really he isn't.

Exactly. If Raonic had Kyrgios' exotic haircut, plus stupid behavior, people would say Raonic is incredibly talented. Fact is, Raonic reached a Wimbledon final while Kyrgios could only dream of reaching that. But Kyrgios is overrated by being the bad boy of tennis.

 

[Standaa]

He is very talented, but comparing him to Roger is an insult to the Maestro.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

I’d say he has certain skills that almost no one on tour has...

BUT he lacks many of the fundamental elements of a top player.

 

[Standaa]

I’d say he has certain skills that almost no one on tour has...

Such as?

 

[Deleted member 733170]

Is Icecreamcone one of the worst pundits of all time?

 

[msc886]

Not really. Sure Nick is a talneted player but he doesn’t seem much different to other aggressive, powerful and high risk players out there.