Another massive moment?

[Im(moral) Winner]

That may be the second major match in two days where one of the big three simply didn’t look capable of beating a much younger opponent.

We’ve all seen it in the old days with Rosewall against Connors, McEnroe against Agassi, Agassi against Nadal, Federer against Zverev. Matches where, no matter what the older player did, they simply didn’t look capable of winning: they looked rather like a remnant of a previous generation whose time has passed.

This match had that feeling.

Is this the natural tennis order finally being restored again?

 

[SuperSpinner]

Looks like the real final was the semi with Fed. Fed won more games than Djokovic.

 

[Red Rick]

Goodbye cruel world.

 

[Xavier G]

Big breakthrough for Zverev to beat Federer and Djokovic in straight sets back to back.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Zverev might be able to win CYGS.

 

[True Fanerer]

Gore is a genius.

 

[hipolymer]

Was Dimitrov winning it last year a "massive moment"?

 

[Towser83]

Djokovic will still win big titles but hes not young enough to roll through the entire season destroying everyone in his path and come through each war with hardly a scratch

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Was Dimitrov winning it last year a "massive moment"?

He didn't beat any of the big three and barely scraped past by Goffin

 

[EloQuent]

congrats to Zverev, well earned.

Now how about dem slams

 

[Hamnavoe]

 

[Midaso240]

No,it doesn't have that feel to me. It's not a grand slam match,it's the final match of the season where Djokovic obviously wasn't at his best physically.mentally,emotionally.

 

[Spencer Gore]

Gore is a genius.

I’m far too modest to agree, but I do think this is one of your most accurate posts on the forum.

 

[True Fanerer]

I’m far too modest to agree, but I do think this is one of your most accurate posts on the forum.

But, it comes at the expense of a Djokovic loss. Bittersweet, no?

 

[Spencer Gore]

No. I don’t actually support any of the Big 3.

 

[True Fanerer]

No. I don’t actually support any of the Big 3.

You just hate Federer.

 

[Ann]

Does this mean Zvemerelystinky is now GOAT?

 

[weakera]

Zverev of course will fall to Nadal on clay, but yes he may break Nole's heart in Australia.

 

[metsman]

I’m far too modest to agree, but I do think this is one of your most accurate posts on the forum.

You've been in good form lately, Gore.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

That may be the second major match in two days where one of the big three simply didn’t look capable of beating a much younger opponent.

We’ve all seen it in the old days with Rosewall against Connors, McEnroe against Agassi, Agassi against Nadal, Federer against Zverev. Matches where, no matter what the older player did, they simply didn’t look capable of winning: they looked rather like a remnant of a previous generation whose time has passed.

This match had that feeling.

Is this the natural tennis order finally being restored again?

Djokovic played at his very peak, there was just nothing he could do against the awesome power of Zverev. I think he played at the highest level I've ever seen. An absolutely awe inspiring, amazing match.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Djokovic played at his very peak, there was just nothing he could do against the awesome power of Zverev. I think he played at the highest level I've ever seen. An absolutely awe inspiring, amazing match.

Now Zverev has the power.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Djokovic played at his very peak, there was just nothing he could do against the awesome power of Zverev. I think he played at the highest level I've ever seen. An absolutely awe inspiring, amazing match.

Djokovic hadn't been broken in the entire tournament and only faced two breakpoints before the final. His level was highest we've ever seen. Certainly could have won the title if not for Zverev.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Djokovic hadn't been broken in the entire tournament and only faced two breakpoints before the final. His level was highest we've ever seen. Certainly could have won the title if not for Zverev.

In fact both seemingly played the best tennis I've ever seen from anybody, ever. They would destroy any iteration of any other player that ever existed up to this point.

 

[Spencer Gore]

In fact both seemingly played the best tennis I've ever seen from anybody, ever. They would destroy any iteration of any other player that ever existed up to this point.

If only Nadal hadn’t retired all those years ago. He might have given him a game.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

If only Nadal hadn’t retired all those years ago. He might have given him a game.

I can only imagine how good Rod Laver would be today. I think he is peaking as we speak.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

I can only imagine how good Rod Laver would be today. I think he is peaking as we speak.

Can't agree with you there. The game has evolved in the 50 years since Laver's days. He would be no better than Philipp Kohlschreiber if he played in today's era.

 

[SuperSpinner]

No. I don’t actually support any of the Big 3.

LOL, this must really stick in your craw . Love it!

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Can't agree with you there. The game has evolved in the 50 years since Laver's days. He would be no better than Philipp Kohlschreiber if he played in today's era.

I support this statement. He is only 4'11" so he'd barely be able to look the net as it is. LOL!

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

I support this statement. He is only 4'11" so he'd barely be able to look the net as it is. LOL!

He could peak as a ballboy

 

[-NN-]

Not feeling it.

The young guns are improving, there can be no doubt, but I still expect the Big Three to be formidable in some combination, and favour at least Djokovic and Nadal over Zverev and others in the Guranduh Sramaroo.

 

[PeteD]

Zverev of course will fall to Nadal on clay, but yes he may break Nole's heart in Australia.

Zev has been getting much better on clay:
http://on-the-t.com/2018/05/18/zverev-evolution-clay/

 

[weakera]

Zev has been getting much better on clay:
http://on-the-t.com/2018/05/18/zverev-evolution-clay/

No one beats Ned.

 

[Chanwan]

That may be the second major match in two days where one of the big three simply didn’t look capable of beating a much younger opponent.

We’ve all seen it in the old days with Rosewall against Connors, McEnroe against Agassi, Agassi against Nadal, Federer against Zverev. Matches where, no matter what the older player did, they simply didn’t look capable of winning: they looked rather like a remnant of a previous generation whose time has passed.

This match had that feeling.

Is this the natural tennis order finally being restored again?

I think we should try not to overreact with every match. Yesterday, Djoko was almost unbeatable and would win every big title for the foreseeable future. Now, he's got almost no chance vs. a player he's rekt'ed twice in the last month. But as @vive le beau jeu ! wrote, it's probably not a coincidence that Djoko's last 3 losses are to Tsits, Khach and Zverev. @Meles may finally be on to something, but Djoko remains my pick for the guy to beat next year. But Zverev could well be his biggest threat, at the very least after Rafa.

Also, see what I'm saying with the repetitiveness of @Sabratha - it ain't the Lord's work.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

@Chanwan I'm always amused when fans overreact to certain matches in recent times i.e. Zverev, Khachanov, Tsitsipas, Chung, Shapovalov, etc. only to flounder in other (big) tournaments with the big three winning the slams. This is just a pisstake of the Gore's yesterday's thread.

 

[AndyM]

Yeah but remember this is like the FedEx cup in golf remember the year Phil won the Tour championship which is the top 30 players in Eastlake but tiger won the FedEx cup which means he was the best player for the entire year as a body of work Joco won the year-end number one best player in the world

 

[Chanwan]

@Chanwan I'm always amused when fans overreact to certain matches in recent times i.e. Zverev, Khachanov, Tsitsipas, Chung, Shapovalov, etc. only to flounder in other (big) tournaments with the big three winning the slams. This is just a pisstake of the Gore's yesterday's thread.

That said, I do believe in Zverev as I stated earlier in the week in 'the case for Zverev' (post 25)

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Not feeling it.

The young guns are improving, there can be no doubt, but I still expect the Big Three to be formidable in some combination, and favour at least Djokovic and Nadal over Zverev and others in the Guranduh Sramaroo.

My prediction is that 2019 is the last year, when the big three will have something that resembles their previous aura.

After that it will be the surge of the Zverev, Tsitsipas, FAA, Chung etc., and the Big three will be content with having sneaked a title here and there.

I know that that sounds bold in the light of the fact that right now all four Majors are held by them, but I will risk a bolder prediction.

 

[-NN-]

My prediction is that 2019 is the last year, when the big three will have something that resembles their previous aura.

After that it will be the surge of the Zverev, Tsitsipas, FAA, Chung etc., and the Big three will be content with having sneaked a title here and there.

I know that that sounds bold in the light of the fact that right now all four Majors are held by them, but I will risk a bolder prediction.

I agree with that outlook. 2020 is the year. (#prediction etc. yada yada)

 

[Zara]

Zverev of course will fall to Nadal on clay, but yes he may break Nole's heart in Australia.

Slams are still for the most consistent and mentally stronger players, namely the big 3. I don't think there will be a great shift next year in that regard. Nole will still be very solid at AO and Rafa at RG. They are both still playing very well.

I am hoping a great return for Andy next year and make some noise at Wimbledon. Really hoping the same for Sasha as far as any Slam is concerned. I believe he has a decent chance in any of the Slams.

 

[Steve0904]

So many massive moments lately...

 

[Spencer Gore]

So many massive moments lately...

Nope. Just the semi. That was the moment Federer ceased to be truly relevant.

 

[Steve0904]

Nope. Just the semi. That was the moment Federer ceased to be truly relevant.

We'll see. I don't care if you're right. The man will always be the greatest tennis player I ever laid eyes on.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Nope. Just the semi. That was the moment Federer ceased to be truly relevant.

Yet he gave a tighter match than Djokovic against Zverev.

 

[True Fanerer]

Nope. Just the semi. That was the moment Federer ceased to be truly relevant.

Whatever. Federer from Paris would have beat Djokovic's a** today.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

Wouldn't say that until it happens in a slam final.

However zverev has shown he can do it in the future. He played phenomenal today.

 

[Sartorius]

I think this one was a Meles moment.

 

[Mark-Touch]

congrats to Zverev, well earned.

Now how about dem slams

I'm a Zverev fan, but let's not forget about Khach who didn't even get a chance to play this tournie.
Given Khach's recent form I'd go with him over Zverev at the moment.

 

[Tennis_Hands]

I think this one was a Meles moment.

Strangely enough, the moar the Next gen wins, the quieter and more restrained he becomes.

 

[Midaso240]

I'm a Zverev fan, but let's not forget about Khach who didn't even get a chance to play this tournie.
Given Khach's recent form I'd go with him over Zverev at the moment.

Yep,Absolute carnage when they played in Paris a couple of weeks ago.