Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by Steffi-forever, Oct 1, 2009.
Never heard of him, must've been before I joined. Was he a Court fanatic then?
Oh was he ever. Alot of things. An obsessive Court fanatic, a major Laver fanatic, and a true Nadal hater.
Ah yes I've done some searching and you're totally right. And VikingSamurai is the same guy too.
chris_in_japan = VikingSamurai = Darth_Timmaayyy!!
That's cool then, we should just all ignore him til he gets banned again.
The consensus seems to be that it is either Graf or Navratilova.
Court is likened to Emerson: lots of slams, but not a GOAT contender.
Court is definitely a GOAT contender...not to say so is being unfair. There are several reasons Emerson was not considered GOAT even before Pete broke his slam record -- Court is not in the same boat.
For all the talk about slams, Court has the most -- only Graf is really close, and Court has 6 more than either Navratilova or Evert -- to put it in perspective, Hingis only won 5 in her entire career.
Plus, for all the talk about Navratilova's versatility in slngles, doubles and mixed doubles, Court STILL has more combined slams in all three than Martina does.
So to say Court is not a GOAT contender is not paying proper homage to her career.
I personally would put Graf at #1 over Court even though she has 2 fewer slams, but I don't think its as lopsided as some may think. Plus, I'm not convinced that Navratilova is clearly ahead of Evert -- Evert made more slam finals and didn't have her prime come during the weakest era in WTA history (1982-1986) like Navratilova did, where she won 12 of her 18 slams.
lambielspins, oh wow. So I am someon else because I dissagree with someone else? Ok, I thik I get it?
There is a guy called AndrewD that made a case similar to mine. I wonder who he really is.. I mean all this area 51 stuff is just funny...
If you want your player to be the greatest. Then in "your" mind they will be.. Lets not let facts get in the way. And most definitely not let history get in the way either.. I mean. You guys just make it up as you see fit..
So I will enjoy watching you all join forces to have me run out of town because you guys live in an effing dream world that simple cant be shattered by the plain old truth...
Oh, and doubles really isn't tennis. In fact its not real.
Way to go..
Court is rated alot more highly than Emerson is. Emerson isnt rated in the top 15 all time by most people, while Court is rated #3 or #4 behind Graf and Navratilova by almost everyone. Still you are right Court isnt the consensus GOAT by many even with her slam record, simlar to how Emerson isnt rated up to the status of his # of slam wins for even more obvious reasons.
Yes, Court is certainly ranked higher than Emerson, e.g. no. 4 versus no. 15. I did not mean to suggest that she should be ranked no. 15 or so.
She is likened to Emerson in that Emerson has a very high total slam count, but no one ranks him third just behind Fed or Sampras. I'd also like to suggest that she was lucky (for different reasons) like Emerson in that her competition was not the greatest. Her main quality rivals were BJ King, Maria Bueno, and Evonne Goolagong.
While I admire and agree with Courts stance on homosexuality I have not seen/heard/read anything that would convince me she is the GOAT or a better player than Martina was.
So you keep saying...
Anyways although I find her personality disgusting I totally agree that her views shouldn't make a difference to her legacy, but IMO Court purely as a player is not GOAT or better than Martina. The poster I was referring to is just an arrogant Court fanatic who refuses to accept anyone else's opinion. She is definitely a GOAT contender but he talks like she is the only possibility.
Look, Martina's and to a greater extent Kings advocacy of their chosen disgusting lifestyle and left leaning stances on many political issues turn my stomach. And Martina's vein popping muscle bound frame certainly did not endear her to many.
But she was the most exciting woman's player I can recall and IMO the best there ever was.
I certainly can support her as GOAT.
Hey dopey.. I didn't have to say that she is GOAT. Her stats speak for themselves.. But thats right. You dont think that doubles or mixed doubles counts. Because in your deluded way, if you say it long enough. People may believe it.. Anyways, if you take away the doubles stats, she still has more. But then you will go on about the weak Australian fields, and that has also been done to death...
You are just a mamby pampy on a message board trying to cause trouble, because you simply havn't added anything credible or substantial to this topic.. You have just played the guy that wants to disagree for the sake of reading your own replies..
You are right. A record based solely on over double the Australian Opens as anyone else, an event that was about the 20th biggest WTA event until the early 80s and in which Margaret Court-Jan Lehane (anyone ever hear of her) was the final FOUR straight years makes her the undisputed GOAT. No questions asked. :lol: The female GOAT also would have only a third of the # of wins of the current record holder (Navratilova of course) at arguably the biggest event in tennis, and by far the biggest event on her consensus best surface, and even half the # of wins at that very event as her biggest contemporary rival who isnt even a serious GOAT contender. That all makes perfect sense.
Just so I don't have to re-write my comment from the last page. (seems you obviously just skim through and pick what you want, and don't read everything). Here is my reply to your old and tired remark about the Australian Open of the day..
"As for your Australian Open comment. Let me just be very clear about one thing in regards to that.. The Australian Open at the time Court won all of her 11 was open to all and sundry that wanted to play it. The fact that Americans and Europeans chose not to is of no fault of Courts. In fact who says that the fields would have been any better if the internationals had of been there or not? Maybe the weak Australian players scared them off from coming? The fact is that you can't win something if you don't show up. So I say fool those players for not making the effort. And good on Margaret for supporting her sport, and supporting her home Grand Slam... For that effort, the history books will forever show that she did infact turn up to play. And that she did in fact win.. 11 of those suckers!!
To say that she played weak fields. Then by winning all slams on multiple occasions suggests that it wouldn't have mattered who she played.. She could win anywhere, against anyone. Period..."
As for you sir. You have won jack ***** in the grand scheme of tennis history.. So all I can say is that there are no awards for being GOAT as an annoying little troll on a message board that want's to make up history to suit his own argument..
Personally I don't care if Court is the greatest. I just know that Martina, and Graf are not...
If we take open era and the days when tennis was not professional into account, they are.
But the Pro and amateur thing was only on the men's side.... The Women's tour has just existed the same from day one..
It is too bad your Chris_In_Japan username was not only banned but had all its posts removed. You are just copying your own work from your old username and it would be easy to catch you red handed.
Anyway lets all give Court her due on one thing. She is the all time GOAT in beating Jan Lehane in
slam finals. Nobody has ever done that better than her, or surely beaten someone of that low of quality in as many as 4 slam finals.
Look up VikingSamurai, he still has all his posts intact despite being banned, and signed a lot of his posts 'Chris_in_Japan' so it's definitely him. And you are right, for example this Darth guy has been saying over and over in this thread about how Navratilova called herself GOAT and VikingSamurai also posted about that very same thing. It's obviously the same guy.
Nice try Chris, I'm a good poster and I contribute nicely especially on this section of the board, but arguing with trolls like you never results in nice conversation. I, unlike you, have never been banned from this forum. YOU are 'just a mamby pampy on a message board trying to cause trouble', as seen by you being banned many times and coming back.
You maybe be right, but if I recall the open era began in 1968.
Pro era was only for the men.... Actually you should ask one of the true history guys on here about that...
As for you other plebs..
Its funny to watch the sharks circle.. Not only have you not added anything substantial or informative to this thread. But you have all gone into a feeding frenzy...
Its great to see that instead of using these boards for open honest discussion. You half-witts prefer to use it as your personal toilet and just ruin threads for your own pleasure..
Last I will say on it, as this subject has become old...
For a European or American to travel to Australia for just one (or maybe two) tournaments was simply to expensive.
IMO, Graf's most impressive achievement is that she won FO, Wimbledon AND USO in the same year FOUR times. The three most prestigious tournaments in the world.
Most people think otherwise.
Court isn't far behind, tough. Or Evert and Navratilova.
No, they aren't.
Back in those times the pool of tennis-playing women was far, far smaller than in the open era.
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