Another view of the h2h between Big3

[Lew II]

Wins over other Big3 when they were defending champions or became champions in the following edition:

DJOKOVIC

vs Federer AO 2008 (def champ)
vs Federer AO 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal WI 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal UO 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal RG 2015 (def champ)
vs Federer AO 2016 (next champ)

potentially in the list: AO 2019 vs Nadal, WI 2019 vs Federer

NADAL

vs Federer RG 2008 (next champ)
vs Federer WI 2008 (def champ and next champ)
vs Federer AO 2009 (next champ)
vs Djokovic UO 2010 (next champ)

potentially in the list: RG 2019 vs Federer

FEDERER

vs Djokovic AO 2007 (next champ)
vs Nadal WI 2007 (next champ)
vs Djokovic WI 2011 (def champ)

potentially in the list: WI 2019 vs Nadal

 

[Standaa]

ok lewmer

 

[Service Ace]

Funny how you are able to come up with the most inane, niche sabremetrics but somehow can't comprehend that 20>19>Third place guy

 

[Bukmeikara]

You are like a cultist. I guess its better to be Djokovic than God

 

[TennisHockey]

Whatever you say, Novak's dad.

 

[Lew II]

Funny how you are able to come up with the most inane, niche sabremetrics but somehow can't comprehend that 20>19>Third place guy

Not everything is about the slam count.

If a player in 2020 and 2021 wins all Slams and several Masters beating the Big3 in all finals he would be the GOAT for me, even if he's not the Slam record holder.

This is what Djokovic did, to a less extent. Domination of great opponents.

 

[RS]

Whatever you say, Novak's dad.

Lol.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Whatever you say, Novak's dad.

Lol he really is running out lately. It was funny for a second, now just sad

 

[beard]

Wins over other Big3 when they were defending champions or became champions in the following edition:

DJOKOVIC

vs Federer AO 2008 (def champ)
vs Federer AO 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal WI 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal UO 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal RG 2015 (def champ)
vs Federer AO 2016 (next champ)

potentially in the list: AO 2019 vs Nadal, WI 2019 vs Federer

NADAL

vs Federer RG 2008 (next champ)
vs Federer WI 2008 (def champ and next champ)
vs Federer AO 2009 (next champ)
vs Djokovic UO 2010 (next champ)

potentially in the list: RG 2019 vs Federer

FEDERER

vs Djokovic AO 2007 (next champ)
vs Nadal WI 2007 (next champ)
vs Djokovic WI 2011 (def champ)

potentially in the list: WI 2019 vs Nadal

This is quite interesting statistics, shows a lot for those who know tennis...

Lol he really is running out lately. It was funny for a second, now just sad

No, you are one of the poorest posters here, a lot of posting that actually has little to do with tennis. For me its not sad, or funny, its mostly annoying...

 

[Lew II]

2011 Djokovic winning AO, WI, UO, Rome and Madrid beating the defending champions Nadal and Federer.

What an incredible year

 

[MichaelNadal]

This is quite interesting statistics, shows a lot for those who know tennis...

No, you are one of the poorest posters here, a lot of posting that actually has little to do with tennis. For me its not sad, or funny, its mostly annoying...

Receive it how you receive it, bc im going to be myself

 

[beard]

Receive it how you receive it, bc im going to be myself

Yes, keep being poor tennis poster, somehow convinced of being epic...

 

[MichaelNadal]

Yes, keep being poor tennis poster, somehow convinced of being epic...

I am epic

 

[Lew II]

Slam wins over defending champions:

DJOKOVIC

AO 2008 vs Federer
AO 2011 vs Federer
WI 2011 vs Nadal
UO 2011 vs Nadal
AO 2015 vs Wawrinka
RG 2015 vs Nadal
UO 2015 vs Cilic

FEDERER

WI 2001 vs Sampras
WI 2012 vs Djokovic

NADAL

WI 2008 vs Federer

 

[beard]

Slam wins over defending champions:

DJOKOVIC

AO 2008 vs Federer
AO 2011 vs Federer
WI 2011 vs Nadal
UO 2011 vs Nadal
AO 2015 vs Wawrinka
RG 2015 vs Nadal
UO 2015 vs Cilic

FEDERER

WI 2001 vs Sampras
WI 2012 vs Djokovic

NADAL

WI 2008 vs Federer

Beating defending slam champion so many times... Good job Mr Djokovic

Federer 2001, Sampras...
In 20 years, he dethroned slam champion only twice? Poor, really poor...

 

[Hitman]

Slam wins over defending champions:

DJOKOVIC

AO 2008 vs Federer
AO 2011 vs Federer
WI 2011 vs Nadal
UO 2011 vs Nadal
AO 2015 vs Wawrinka
RG 2015 vs Nadal
UO 2015 vs Cilic

FEDERER

WI 2001 vs Sampras
WI 2012 vs Djokovic

NADAL

WI 2008 vs Federer

What is total amount of times each of the big three has faced a defending champion, win or lose?

 

[Hitman]

Beating defending slam champion so many times... Good job Mr Djokovic

Federer 2001, Sampras...
In 20 years, he dethroned slam champion only twice? Poor, really poor...

Be careful how you use the world dethroned around here.

 

[NoleFam]

Be careful how you use the world dethroned around here.

 

[tennisaddict]

Beating defending slam champion so many times... Good job Mr Djokovic

Federer 2001, Sampras...
In 20 years, he dethroned slam champion only twice? Poor, really poor...

While Djokovic was busy dethroning, Fedal were busy winning majors and defending them.

 

[NoleFam]

Slam wins over defending champions:

DJOKOVIC

AO 2008 vs Federer
AO 2011 vs Federer
WI 2011 vs Nadal
UO 2011 vs Nadal
AO 2015 vs Wawrinka
RG 2015 vs Nadal
UO 2015 vs Cilic

FEDERER

WI 2001 vs Sampras
WI 2012 vs Djokovic

NADAL

WI 2008 vs Federer

Yea like Hitman said, do you know how many total times they faced a defending champion? I would be interested to know as well.

 

[beard]

@tennisaddict
Your math is bad, Novak has "only" 4 slams less than Fed. Fed is 6 years (24 slams) older. So Fed had 20 more chances to dethrone someone than Novak, yet he did that only twice, while Novak did that 7 times... Another prof that Novak is good when its hard, and Federer is greatest when it's easy...

 

[beard]

Yea like Hitman said, do you know how many total times they faced a defending champion? I would be interested to know as well.

It can be interesting, but if Fed hadn't too many oportunities to beat defending champion, it can say a lot about defending champion's or Federer's quality, when they couldn't meet more often...

 

[NoleFam]

It can be interesting, but if Fed hadn't too many oportunities to beat defending champion, it can say a lot about defending champion's or Federer's quality, when they couldn't meet more often...

This is true although I'm thinking Djokovic and Federer at least played a defending champion more often because they were consistent overall in Slams. When it comes to RG, this stat probably won't be kind to Federer or Djokovic at that tournament. They have like 6 losses each to Nadal there.

 

[Third Serve]

You really need to compile these stats into a single thread. Didn’t you have a “my stats” thread or something of that sort a while back?

 

[ChrisRF]

Not everything is about the slam count.

If a player in 2020 and 2021 wins all Slams and several Masters beating the Big3 in all finals he would be the GOAT for me, even if he's not the Slam record holder.

This is what Djokovic did, to a less extent. Domination of great opponents.

If someone is GOAT or ATG or whatever should be about his own results and not about who was the other finalist. Because that isn’t within his powers.

Everything else apart from total numbers is subjective anyway. And if you think numbers don’t tell the whole story, then why bring other numbers to proof your Point?

 

[beard]

This is true although I'm thinking Djokovic and Federer at least played a defending champion more often because they were consistent overall in Slams. When it comes to RG, this stat probably won't be kind to Federer or Djokovic at that tournament. They have like 6 losses each to Nadal there.

Yes, but this stats are about beating actual champion, not losing to him

 

[Antonio Puente]

vs Nadal UO 2011 (def champ)
vs Nadal RG 2015 (def champ)
vs Federer AO 2016 (next champ)

2011 USO: Nadal was the previous champ and Djoker was his victim. Djoker gets credit for losing the previous final?

2015 RG; Djoker beat Nadal, but choked vs. Stan.

2016 AO: In 2017, Djoker losing to the 117th ranked player in the world in the second round paved the way for Fed becoming the next champ.



Lew, we're really straining here to find things to give Djoker credit for. Had he just taken care of business vs. Stan and Murray in slam finals, you wouldn't have to work so hard.