Any 5.0 Players Switch From Players Frame to Babolat and Get Even Better?

RetroSpin

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If only there was a Pure Aero Tour Plus. I know I could weight up a 'standard' weight plus myself; if I recall correctly Babolat do the same thing to 'create' the Pure Aero Tour from the Pure Aero - i.e. it's not a stand alone frame - but it would be cool to be able to buy, and especially demo, a Pure Aero Tour+ off the shelf.
You're right, there is no PA Tour plus. I hit with a regular PA plus and liked it a lot more than the standard length. Very unique feel. I liked the Tour even more, and I assumed they had a Tour plus, like they do with the PD Tour. Between the regular plus and the PA Tour, I think I would go with the Tour.
 

Lukhas

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Interesting point. Roddick didn’t have the best strokes (especially backhand). I’m pretty sure he developed them with a Babolat. It’s possible they would’ve developed better if he used a smaller headed racquet at a younger age. But then you have Chang and Agassi, so my argument may not hold water.
Roddick switched to Babolat a year before turning pro actually, in 1999. You also have to consider Babolat started making racquets around 1994.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/sports/playmagazine/0819play-colbiz.html

But then I can't disagree on some aspects: with the way he swung, it often felt as, except on his serve, the level of effort he put into his swings didn't match the result. In other words, it felt as if he had to swing really big to get anything on the ball, even on volleys. He had really compact strokes all around. IIRC he had a 345g strung weight for a 360SW on an extended length racquet, so yeah, there wasn't much mass in the hoop. But that's just a theory. You could also wonder why he fired Brad Gilbert who got him to play a lot more into his strengthens (huge power) as opposed to grinding his way through. Apparently he used to be more of a grinder during his junior years, and it showed later in his choices on court later in his career.

The Pure Control Tour/Pure Strike VS is a players racquet. Thinner beam close to 12 oz.

Very tempted to pick up some PCT's, very nice stick. Demoed it a few years ago.

My bad just realized you were not talking the tour version.
I recall trying the Pure Storm LTD Plus a while back. Sweet stick, very soft and flexible, nice mass and power. Didn't pick it up because of the very low spin potential. After that Babolat pretty much stopped developing it, it's basically a legacy mould at this point. It doesn't seem to be a popular stick. I'm not interested in trying standard length racquets either.

That aside, the Pacific XFast Pro is a good option for those who like the Pure Drive mould but without the harshness. Another really sweet stick to demo, slightly extended and with better QC than most brands too. It has a very balanced feedback when you hit the ball with it. I can't justify buying new racquets however. :p

http://www.tenniswarehouse-europe.com/descpageRCPACIH-XFAP-EN.html
 
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Geoff

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You're right, there is no PA Tour plus. I hit with a regular PA plus and liked it a lot more than the standard length. Very unique feel. I liked the Tour even more, and I assumed they had a Tour plus, like they do with the PD Tour. Between the regular plus and the PA Tour, I think I would go with the Tour.
I have all of the new Pure Drive racquets for stringing and there is no Pure Drive Tour Plus. The only Plus is the Pure Drive Plus. If there is suppose to be a PD Tour Plus I have not seen or heard of it.
 

asifallasleep

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Gonna hold off on adding silicone or blue tac in the handle until i'm sure i'm switching. As of now added Wilson leather grip and two overgrips to take me to 11.9oz and 8pts hl.
I think the French Open color scheme is just amazing.


 

DJ-

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Gonna hold off on adding silicone or blue tac in the handle until i'm sure i'm switching. As of now added Wilson leather grip and two overgrips to take me to 11.9oz and 8pts hl.
I think the French Open color scheme is just amazing.


Wilson shockshield will also add some weight and at the same time have a dampening muting effect.
 

KaiserW

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Gonna hold off on adding silicone or blue tac in the handle until i'm sure i'm switching. As of now added Wilson leather grip and two overgrips to take me to 11.9oz and 8pts hl.
I think the French Open color scheme is just amazing.


What are you using for strings? Have you played a match yet with them?
 

asifallasleep

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What are you using for strings? Have you played a match yet with them?
Will be playing tomorrow am. Just got them strung yesterday and practiced serving for an hour. That was stock and I felt they weren't hl enough for me as my H19's and RF97's were very hl.

Also it felt clunky as it still does because of the thick beam. It's gonna be an adjustment.

18g Cyclone black @ 45lbs. I've always string at 40 but felt I should increase it a little for the Bab.

It's conceivable I may either love them or hate them in a week. I may play amazing with them and still hate them.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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Wilson shockshield will also add some weight and at the same time have a dampening muting effect.
My issue with that would be that it's a very thick and soft grip and you lose the bevels' sharp definition.
 

Faris

Professional
My issue with that would be that it's a very thick and soft grip and you lose the bevels' sharp definition.
Good point! But keep in mind that PA is not a very soft stick... and not a player racquet with which you need feel... Contact gets pretty jarring and feedback is not pleasant for most with leather. I would persnally go with a soft heavy cushioned replacement grip wrapped tight for slight better feel instead of leather just for tht reason alone....
 

Faris

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Gonna hold off on adding silicone or blue tac in the handle until i'm sure i'm switching. As of now added Wilson leather grip and two overgrips to take me to 11.9oz and 8pts hl.
I think the French Open color scheme is just amazing.


oh man those RG editions really do look awesome!!
 

haqq777

Legend
Gonna hold off on adding silicone or blue tac in the handle until i'm sure i'm switching. As of now added Wilson leather grip and two overgrips to take me to 11.9oz and 8pts hl.
I think the French Open color scheme is just amazing.


Very nice. Which were the white RG ones? I recall some RG edition PA with white/navy accents if I'm not mistaken?

Edit: just checked. Those were 2016 RG edition PA.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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Good point! But keep in mind that PA is not a very soft stick... and not a player racquet with which you need feel... Contact gets pretty jarring and feedback is not pleasant for most with leather. I would persnally go with a soft heavy cushioned replacement grip wrapped tight for slight better feel instead of leather just for tht reason alone....
Bevel definitions are simply about racket face control, on all your shots. Without defined bevels, it's hard to tell the orientation of the racket face.
 

Faris

Professional
Bevel definitions are simply about racket face control, on all your shots. Without defined bevels, it's hard to tell the orientation of the racket face.
Well, for me, its more than just identifying what side of the racquet face I am holding up...for me, more defined bevels relate to a more feel and feedback from racquet. Matter of preference in the end really..
 
Hit with a Pure Drive and a Pure Aero today and was just floored as to how easy it is to absolutely crush the ball with 1/3 of the effort required with my H19 and friends RF97. You can just blow the ball away like nothing. Seems like an insane advantage to use these frames. I know this is old news, but I was like, wow.

Have any 5.0 players ditched their player frames and never looked back after seeing huge advantages and improvements after changing to Babolat?

I'm not crazy about the feel of the Babolat's compared to my H19 and RF97, but the Pure Aero with Hyper G actually felt a wee bit plush. Pure Drive was too stiff for my liking.

Well, I switched to Volkl 8s some time ago, kind of a pure drive without the brutal stiffness..

Have only good things to report, a couple of years later
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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Well, for me, its more than just identifying what side of the racquet face I am holding up...for me, more defined bevels relate to a more feel and feedback from racquet. Matter of preference in the end really..
Feedback from the racket is more about how thin the grip is. You would have that feedback and feel even if you had a circle grip shape with no bevels at all.
The bevels are about identifying what sort of grip you're using and consequently what the racket face is doing.
 

Faris

Professional
The bevels are about identifying what sort of grip you're using and consequently what the racket face is doing.
I am sorry but I disagree on this. I am barely a 4.5 and I dont need bevels while I am on court to tell me what grip to use for what type of stroke...after you have reached a certain level of play, you have feel and instinct. I dont look at bevel numbers to decide when to place my knuckles and heel pad on what bevel when i am playing on court. It all comes by feel and instinct.
Feedback from the racket is more about how thin the grip is. You would have that feedback and feel even if you had a circle grip shape with no bevels at all.
And thats why I said in my first post to wrap the more cushioned grip tighter for more bevel definition...even with wilson shock shield wrapped tightly you get plenty of bevel definition. I know because i have it on one of my racquets...yes feedback becomes muted an dampened but thats pretty obvious.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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I am sorry but I disagree on this. I am barely a 4.5 and I dont need bevels while I am on court to tell me what grip to use for what type of stroke...after you have reached a certain level of play, you have feel and instinct. I dont look at bevel numbers to decide when to place my knuckles and heel pad on what bevel when i am playing on court. It all comes by feel and instinct.
You do need bevels. Yes, it's instinctive, personally I don't even know what grip I use most of the time, but without bevels you have no way of feeling what your racket face is doing. You can have an idea, from which way the weight is tipping or something like that. But it's the bevels that give you that perfect predictability of feeling what your racket is doing.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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Wrap it tighter for more definition. Problem solved.
Why not just use silicone in the handle and use normal grips that leave you the well defined bevels and better feedback from the racket. No serious player uses mushy grips.
 

apriliano

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I don't need bevels

Instead I need a pretty rectangular shape like the classic head or or or the pa

Not quite as rectangular but enough
 

haqq777

Legend
Why not just use silicone in the handle and use normal grips that leave you the well defined bevels and better feedback from the racket. No serious player uses mushy grips.
You are mistaken. Plenty of pros use soft synthetic grips. In addition, plenty of serious players I know use them on the college circuit. In fact, the trend I have been seeing is shifting more towards softer synthetic grips. As for silicone, it is a matter of preference and it is not for everyone. I personally do not like it because while it does dampen, I don't like the muted feedback.
 

Faris

Professional
You do need bevels.
umm yeah, no i really dont..amused that you think you know more about my game than me.
Yes, it's instinctive, personally I don't even know what grip I use most of the time, but without bevels you have no way of feeling what your racket face is doing. You can have an idea, from which way the weight is tipping or something like that. But it's the bevels that give you that perfect predictability of feeling what your racket is doing.
If tht was true no one want a rounded or other perfect shape grips ..people have different preferences and for me I dont bevels to find out where my racquet face is and what grip i need to use..ciao
 
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Anton

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Will be playing tomorrow am. Just got them strung yesterday and practiced serving for an hour. That was stock and I felt they weren't hl enough for me as my H19's and RF97's were very hl.

Also it felt clunky as it still does because of the thick beam. It's gonna be an adjustment.

18g Cyclone black @ 45lbs. I've always string at 40 but felt I should increase it a little for the Bab.

It's conceivable I may either love them or hate them in a week. I may play amazing with them and still hate them.
18g is crazy thin for this racket, rebound angle will be very high and you'll have a lot of depth control problems...and forget about flat shots. Maybe with full western it can still work.

16g is the way to go.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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I've set up an Aero Pro drive plus for 360 swingweight, around 320mm balance, with gut/zyex at 48/43 lbs. Generally I use 17 g gut, in fact 16 g feels awful in my 18*20 rackets, even at low tension. But 16g in the Aero Pro is a good fit.
 

asifallasleep

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Wilson shockshield will also add some weight and at the same time have a dampening muting effect.
I added some museum putty to the butt cap. Home depot did not have blue tac. I was shocked and had to settle for museum putty. I hate WIlson shockshield, the shape and the feel.
 
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asifallasleep

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18g is crazy thin for this racket, rebound angle will be very high and you'll have a lot of depth control problems...and forget about flat shots. Maybe with full western it can still work.

16g is the way to go.
I don't have a reference point as I haven't tried the frame with any other string. I got to 8 points HL but the frame felt cumbersome on my groundstrokes compared to my H19.
Serving was awesome and this was where I felt the most immediate benefit. The thickness of the beam, especially in the head really felt cumbersome for me getting the frame around early for groundies. I have hit with the frame prior to purchase in stock form and groundies were really fast even with the 6pts hl balance. Unfortunately for me serving wasn't great.

The leather grip and musuem putty has taken me to 9.5pts HL, 12 oz, and i'll be curious to see how that works.

I may end up back at stock and see if I can adjust to hitting serves and if the my groundies continue being so good.

Of course today I was hitting against a pro and his shots are just so insanely heavy I usually don't have much time against him.

My shots are really heavy to most but his shots are even heavier and come back so early it's always hard hitting against him.
 

asifallasleep

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I'm a former NCAA Division II player who still plays with college guys so I can see where you are coming from. I played with Babolats all through high school and college myself - for almost a decade. Played with different Pure Drives first and then switched to APD in sophomore year. All weighted up slightly. Nothing like these Babs for free everything. Late on footwork? No problem, still convert defense to offense. Spin? You can hit fuzz off the ball. Power? You can get away with almost every ill-conceived and badly executed ground stroke and get tons of power to redirect.

I however switched to softer racquets because I simply preferred them for comfort and feel (Angells, Prestiges, PK etc). Some racquets were even completly different end of the spectrum and I still enjoy them. It seems my preferences have changed over time. I prefer Angells because the ones I have give me ample power and comfort with a lot of feel. I sometimes even prefer my Pacific X-Feels which I believe have the lowest power among any racquet I have ever hit with. Sometimes its the Prestiges for that precision and control.

Now, I can still pick up my Babs and smack the hell off the ball. Infact, I played with it a few days back because it was in my bag. But fact of the matter is, my preference now is feel, precision and comfort which they lack. I look for best combination now which can improve game and provide me with that feedback I am looking for. If you have the right mechanics, which a 5.0 absolutely does, you should be able to find a stick in your wheelhouse that gets you best of everything without having to comprise for something. I don't get pushed with a 332/325/335 Angell TC100 or a 345/321/335 Prestige. Those are pretty normal and easy to handle specs in my opinion.
Did you mod your APD's or played them stock?
 

Power Player

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I have all of the new Pure Drive racquets for stringing and there is no Pure Drive Tour Plus. The only Plus is the Pure Drive Plus. If there is suppose to be a PD Tour Plus I have not seen or heard of it.
Looks like there is a tour plus. Its in the latest TW Vlog.328 swing weight and 11.7 strung. Balance around 7/8 hl.
 

DJ-

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umm yeah, no i really dont..amused that you think you know more about my game than me.

If tht was true no one want a rounded or other perfect shape grips ..people have different preferences and for me I dont bevels to find out where my racquet face is and what grip i need to use..ciao
Yeah i've used rounded handles in the 90's like Rossignols and bevel feel is not important at all. Not everyone is the same, I agree
 
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Of course today I was hitting against a pro and his shots are just so insanely heavy I usually don't have much time against him.
What racquet does the pro hit with ?

I play against a former pro ( mid 30 and still very fit) who also hit a very heavy ball. I sometimes ask him to hit with my racquet, and bang there is some heavy penetrating balls coming from my racquet with a lot of spin too. I am thinking of getting better technically and getting in better shape will do much more to my game than changing racquet.

I play Prince TT95 and TT100P.

He seem to be playing well with almost any racquet, and after reading this thread I asked him about the PD and PA and he said they were too powerfull for him and hard to control - for matchplay he use a 6.1 with alu power, he likes the control and can for sure generate his own power.
 
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PS he does not mold his racquet, he just plays great tennis with whatever racquet he use. Also with the PD and PA.

I think I know much more about racquets than he does, but he knows much more about playing tennis than I do
 

asifallasleep

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What racquet does the pro hit with ?

I play against a former pro ( mid 30 and still very fit) who also hit a very heavy ball. I sometimes ask him to hit with my racquet, and bang there is some heavy penetrating balls coming from my racquet with a lot of spin too. I am thinking of getting better technically and getting in better shape will do much more to my game than changing racquet.

I play Prince TT95 and TT100P.

He seem to be playing well with almost any racquet, and after reading this thread I asked him about the PD and PA and he said they were too powerfull for him and hard to control - for matchplay he use a 6.1 with alu power, he likes the control and can for sure generate his own power.
Babolat Pure Storm GT I believe.
 
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Attila_the_gorilla

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What are your mods and your static weight?
My APD Plus has a 348 strung swingweight, I added 4 grams at 12 extra to get around 360.
Added some silicone to the handle to adjust balance and for maximum comfort. I can't remember stick weight, not too fussed about that as long as I'm happy with swingweight and balance.
Just weighed it, static weight is 344g.
 
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Anton

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What are your mods and your static weight?
Back in the day I played 4-6 grams at 12 and same on the handle...and keep in mind 16g will add a few grams too.

Leather grip is a bad idea here - frame is already rough, firm synthetic like Babolat skin feel would probably feel nicer.
 

Power Player

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Back in the day I played 4-6 grams at 12 and same on the handle...and keep in mind 16g will add a few grams too.

Leather grip is a bad idea here - frame is already rough, firm synthetic like Babolat skin feel would probably feel nicer.
Skin feel is the way to go. It makes the frame feel a lot better than leather. I have tried both and the Skin Feel is much better.
 

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Sardines

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If you remember, I took your recommendation early this year. Couldn't agree more. Was looking for that happy medium which I got with Skinfeel + OG on my APD. Leather is way too harsh on Babs for me.
Skin feel plus OG? Skin feel feels good because it's thin and quite grippy. Why not try Syntec Feel? It's a little thicker than Skin Feel and alleviates the need of the OG,
 

haqq777

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Skin feel plus OG? Skin feel feels good because it's thin and quite grippy. Why not try Syntec Feel? It's a little thicker than Skin Feel and alleviates the need of the OG,
I always play with an overgrip. I just go with it because it feels good in hand and that is what I am used to. If you click on link above and scroll a little towards the top, I explained that Syntec is thicker and having played with Leather + OG for over a decade, I like a little more defined bevels for feel. That is where Skin Feel + OG come in.
 
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