Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Claudius, Sep 15, 2013.
It was a party. Whenever I give a gift of alcohol to a friend at a party, people drink it right away. I think it would be unusual to save it for another time.
Walt didn't know that everything would work out the way it did, he was hoping and had to improvise a bit when they separated him from his key. It shot everyone except Jesse because Walt tackled Jesse to the ground to put him out of harms way. Everyone else was standing up and got shot. The gun was aimed at a level higher than the floor.
Your issue with the show seems to be that you wanted something more believable. The thing with this show is that for the most part, the entire show is unrealistic. It sets up its own rules though and for the most part sticks well to those rules, and that is what makes it great. The writing on this show was top notch in my opinion and it is my favorite show ever.
Words of wisdom:
Mike: Everyone sounds like Meryl Streep with a gun to their head
Jesse: Yeah, it’s a disease on the Discovery Channel where all your intestines sort of just slip right out of your butt.
Walter: Thank you. I know what Ebola is.
Yes, it's also code for that internet site we're not allowed to refer to here!:twisted:
Yes, I agree. The way I see it (and what is the crux of the show, and its title) is that Walt becomes a changed man, he "breaks bad". But despite all, he remains a faithful and devoted father (both to his real son Walter Jr. and to his surrogate son Jesse).
Sure Walt becomes a victim of his lust for power as the show goes on, and Breaking Bad is somewhere where flat one-dimensional characters don't belong.
One interesting thing about Breaking Bad (and many other great shows like The X-Files), is a key concept which was perhaps best (and first) explored in the novel Don Quixote. That is to present two characters with almost diametrically opposed views of the world, and to observe how (through their interactions with that world and also with each other), their views start changing to be completely different. These two characters in Breaking Bad are Walt White and Jesse Pinkman. At the beginning of the show Walt is the timid, unassuming, and humble Highschool teacher, and Jesse is the street-wise, tough and rough junky drug dealer. But towards the end much of this dichotomy has been reversed, with Walt becoming a tough drug kingpin who has no problem disposing of his enemies dilligently, and who ends up alienating his whole family, while we see Jesse become more reflective and remorseful, and also establishing some meanimgful (if ill fated) relationships.
Breaking Bad is a great show, there is no doubt about it.
But true villains have to explain themselves. What sense is there in not letting their enemies know the full extent of their evil? I think it makes perfect sense. A mindless street thug would just strike, but a true villain is a more refined character.
Very true, but true villains like myself usually now have to take into account wires and bugs, so we've sort of stopped explainin ourselves. Takes the joy out of villainy and evil.
But valid point anyway.
I notice a lot of people really liked Jesse. I did, but in the end i sort of tired of his being so unstable. At one point he was willing to give away WW to the cops which is also why WW had to get him into Gus's business (the other reason being to save himself from being replaced by GB).
Several times Jesse falls back into drugs and tries to get people at the support group to buy (if i am not mistaken).
He has qualms killing people, but he had no qualms selling drugs. He goes into shock seeing that kid on the bike (Drew) being kid, or the other dealer kid who was his gf's younger brother, but no qualms selling meth to young people.
I don't know if WW becomes evil in the end, but I think he understands well that the drug business is a business of death anyway. It is blood money, anyway, whether you kill someone with a gun, or by getting them addicted.
WW comes across as very intelligent whereas Jesse is quite the opposite. WW gets that there's nothing that can be done about dead Drew Parker, but Jesse feels that wallowing in guilt or whatever is going to bring him back. Jesse was the one big mistake of WW. His weakness for an unstable person in a situation like this. Even when he takes a hit out on Jesse, still he comes back to free Jesse dying in the process.
Damn you Google!
Very good points. Jesse is unstable and emotional, no doubt about that.
I just realized ... the reason I like WW (and BB) is that WW is the quiet unassuming type, I relate to him. However, he gets this sudden confidence which i love ... he changes to this alpha-male ("Stay out of my territory"). I think that was the first milestone in this change iirc. Later, he is willing to take on Gus. He loses fear. Finally, there is the "Say my name" part where after being almost killed or sidelined by Mike, he once again comes out in front.
"You are in the money business, I am in the empire business".
Some of you see it as an ego issue, but i see it as a quiet, meek person suddenly becoming this guy who can take on the world.
He's not in the meth or money business, he's in the Empire business.
Yes obviously there will be "for and against" Walt, but you have to remember that what he was doing was NEVER for the family after he impersonated the Heisenberg persona, it was all about himself and he quoted it himself in the very last episode. Throughout the whole series he used the family excuse for his business, but this wasn't the case until he had no option. That's the whole point of this show and why the show is centred around him, he goes from good to "bad".
I know you like Walt, and I liked Walt UNTIL he poisoned Brock (way too far, although I got back to liking him at the end of the episode when he redeemed his deeds) but on the flip side there are plenty of reasons out there to dislike him (various killings, manipulations of Jesse etc). Him killing Mike was a ego thing as well, Walt never liked to be wrong or talked down upon.
Anyway...off to watch True Detective finale, just came back from my exam :lol:
Oh before I go, mind you the original version of the ending was to have Walt not redeem himself. Vince Gilligan said that how can anyone like Walt but for the fans and the general audience, it was best to have a bitter sweet ending. You can google this if you don't believe me.
I get your points. The way I look at it, when considering Breaking Bad, is that you don't look at characters as being "good" or "bad", but as being complex beings. Walt has many undeniably good attributes. But as the show goes on, he becomes a sort of a monster.
About the only 100% good characters in the show are Walt Jr., Hank, and Jesse's Mexican girlfriend. The rest of the characters span a wide spectrum of ethics. Even very bad (horrible) characters like Tuco Salamanca have some good features.
One of the reasons I loved the series is because of this, because the depth of the characters makes you want to identify with them.
Of course, I don't think anybody can unconditionally love or admire Walt's character. You love what good is there in him, and admire those qualities that you can find admirable.
I disagree about Hank being 100% good. He has moments when he treated people poorly, especially Jesse. When he sent Jesse in to see Walt with a wire, he showed no concern for Jesse's life. He was mostly good, but he had his moments when weakness and frustration got the best of him. I agree with everything else you wrote though.
Good point. I tend to forget about that. Now that you say it, I also remember him being less than sympathetic towards Wendy (Jesse's old crackhead prostitute friend).
But then again, Hank is a hardened veteran of the DEA, and has seen and had to deal with a lot.
I did not like the way Hank treats his wife. She's looking after him, and he is always rude to her. But still he is overall a good guy, refuses to beg for his life.
Did he really have a case against WW ? Did he really have any evidence, or is he just going on emotion ?
Isn't that what we men are all about really ? We use the family excuse, but really we are about our own name and fame, and proving our self. This is not to defend Walt, just an observation independent of the show.
He had evidence...it wasn't just emotion. Actually, the evidence was right in front of him for most of the show and he just couldn't see it because he couldn't stop seeing Walt as a harmless, weak guy. He never realized that Walt was capable of such things and the fact that Walt was a good friend and brother in law made it even tougher for him to see.
Hank knew that in order to convict Walt him in court though, he needed more convincing evidence. That was the whole reason he had Jesse wear a wire and try to get Walt to admit to stuff while being recorded.
Prior to the wire (or at the time of finding the book), what evidence did Hank have of WW's guilt. Was it just circumstantial evidence ?
The lab was burnt, so no fingerprints or anything else.
The laptop and other evidence was taken care of by magnets
There was no evidence of him at GB's house
There was no evidence of him at Tio Salamanca's since Tio has said no to his being there
The only possible links i can think of when he sees the book (Leaves of Grass) is that WW is a chemist too, has come into money of late, that his wife has been wanting to divorce him, ... all this is circumstantial, right ?
Is this the point where he questions Jesse and Jesse gives his name ?
Yes for the most part it was circumstantial evidence and that is why he was working hard to find some hard evidence or someone who could testify against him. When Jesse is arrested for throwing away tons of money, Hank puts it together and realizes that Jesse must have been involved and know about Walt.
Considering that WW was shot somewhere around the appendix, i am just hoping the parameds got him to ICU, saved him and we can have another five seasons soon
Darn, with all that money, surely the extractor could have got him a disguise of some sort (wig etc) and WW would not have had to hole up in the freezing north.
He could have done to Mexico, or South America, darn.
I forced myself to watch the first epi of Hannibal last night, but was so missing BB throughout.
I miss the show too, but that would be terrible and turn it into some sort of soap opera. It was a great show and it ended great, so let's just leave it at that. I hate it when shows drag on too long.
I know i am just being b!tchy. I forced myself through another two episodes of Hannibal last night. Darn, that was a great two weeks.
Why were Jesse and Mike getting so pally in the end ?
That Saul Goodman spin-off will be a massive flop. It just won't work.
I hear Aaron Paul has signed on for a number of episodes. How will that work? He hadn't met Saul yet when this series took place. Mike will be in it as well. It has an hour long format,but I heard it was supposed to be a comedy? Can't see an hour long comedy being most people's cup of tea,especially with a serious character like Mike. Nah,I hope they make it similar in tone to Breaking Bad
Good point! They've made a big deal out of having him on the show, but will he never be in the same room as Saul? Has anyone thought this through?
Fargo on FX looks like a can't miss show.
Those who kill on A and E is sooooo boring and dark, I gave up on it.
That's why it won't work . The iconic characters of this show have always been Jesse and Walt , this comedy won't work . Jesse is hilarious but what makes him funny is in serious situations where he brings out his biatch one liners.
It's why I don't like shows or stories being milked.
Delivering Breaking Bad on Netflix in Ultra HD 4K
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As pleased as I am to announce Breaking Bad in 4K, this blog post is also intended to highlight the collaboration between Sony Pictures Entertainment and Netflix to modernize the digital supply chain that transports digital media from content studios, like Sony Pictures, to streaming retailers, like Netflix.
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Yeah!! Awesome series, and in my top three with GOT and Dexter. It just got better and better with every season, and did not have a flop somewhere through the series, which was also good.
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