Any experiences with new PS97S yet? Peterfig or anybody else?

borgpro

Semi-Pro
Frame looks tempting, has anybody tried is yet? With what mods, weight behind the bud cap ? How much?
Does it réally compares to the good old PS 6.0 95 in a way like I read somewhere?
 

joshtige600

New User
I played with my new PS97S for the first time last night.

I would say that its NOT (substantially) the same racquet as the previous 97S. Close, but not the same. I set it up similarly to my old 97S's/ ~350g and ~4-6pt HL and would say that it is slightly whippier with slightly better control and slightly less power and spin. To me, it felt closer to the old PS90's than the original 97S.

I'm sorry that I can't really compare it to the PS 6.0 95. I own that racquet but I bought it used and only played with it a handful of times. I would think the PS 6.0 95 has more power but is less maneuverable (whippy) than the new 97S but I don't have a lot of evidence/experience to back that up.
 

joshtige600

New User
I should add that the new 97S has a slightly lower launch angle and seems a bit less stable on off-center hits. I also think it is more 'precise'. I will probably switch to the new version.

my $.02
 

tkdojo

New User
I should add that the new 97S has a slightly lower launch angle and seems a bit less stable on off-center hits. I also think it is more 'precise'. I will probably switch to the new version.

my $.02
If you ever mod the new 97S by adding some weight to the hoop in order to increase plow-through or stability, I'd be very interested in finding out how it works out for you as I am not quite ready to open up my wallet for the new one partly due to I've become very accustomed to the modded 'old' 97S and it's been working for me.
 

joshtige600

New User
Part of me wants to add some lead at 3 and 9 but I'm really concerned with moving the balance too far north. The racquet is about 5pts HL right now and ideally I'd like it to be 8-9 pts HL, but I'm concerned about taking the overall weight too high. I added another overgrip today (3/8's seems smaller than it used to be..) and that put me around 357g and that's about as high as I want to go. If I start putting weight in the hoop then I'll either be too head heavy or total weight will go too high.

After playing with it for a second time, I did notice that I was dumping some shots into the net as a result of there being less power than I was used to. I guess that means it's more demanding than its predecessor and i'll have to either add mass to the hoop or get used to swinging a bit bigger again.
 

joshtige600

New User
OK, so I added about 5g to the hoop (2.5g at 3, 2.5g at 9) and 'balanced' it with 5g in the handle. I had previously added weight to the handle. So now, I'm at about 365g with a balance at 32cm (about 7pts hl).

Feels pretty good now . Really nice thwack or muted pop from sweet spot. I would say that it's somewhere between the '14 PS 95 and the '14 PS 90. more solid (and stiffer) than the 95; less solid than the 90 but definitely a maneuverable stick with good 'feel'.

Only complaint i have is that the string pattern seems pretty tight; less spin that any of the 90, 95, 97S, 97, RF97 to me. Why call this a 'spin effect' pattern? It has more spin than your typical 18*20 but less than most 16*19's. strange.
 

tkdojo

New User
OK, so I added about 5g to the hoop (2.5g at 3, 2.5g at 9) and 'balanced' it with 5g in the handle. I had previously added weight to the handle. So now, I'm at about 365g with a balance at 32cm (about 7pts hl).

Feels pretty good now . Really nice thwack or muted pop from sweet spot. I would say that it's somewhere between the '14 PS 95 and the '14 PS 90. more solid (and stiffer) than the 95; less solid than the 90 but definitely a maneuverable stick with good 'feel'.

Only complaint i have is that the string pattern seems pretty tight; less spin that any of the 90, 95, 97S, 97, RF97 to me. Why call this a 'spin effect' pattern? It has more spin than your typical 18*20 but less than most 16*19's. strange.
Thanks for sharing your experience. 5 in the head, although I would also try at 12, and 5 in the handle was exactly what I thought I'd try next time when I get a chance to demo it again. About the spin, I usually get really high launching angle on my forehand side with the 'old' 97s and with the new 97s, it flew a bit lower and I thought it may be attributed to the lack of power and poly string setup. But having read yours above, I guess it could also be the tighter string pattern than the previous model. If you can, I'd say give the gut/poly hybrid setup a try, which is what I have on my old 97s.

Cheers!
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
A lower launch? Can't say I'm a huge fan of that, but I suppose I'll see when I get a chance to hit it.
 

Anton

Legend
Frame looks tempting, has anybody tried is yet? With what mods, weight behind the bud cap ? How much?
Does it réally compares to the good old PS 6.0 95 in a way like I read somewhere?
Tried it today bone stock with 17g Cyclone @50lbs and overgrip....was really impressed!

Where old PS97s was a good frame overall it did have some limp sort of flex to it. This new one feels one-piece solid like a fine mix between RF97 and older 6.0 prostaffs. Balance is great too - feels solid and swift through stroke.

Racket did feel slightly lower SW compared to older one, but stability was very solid and sweetspot felt generous - seems like free lunch! I do suspect my racket was a bit heavier than published specs.

I am used to RF97 weight and spoiled rotten by it's spin ripping stringbed dynamics so I would probably add some lead if I was to get one of these.

Great update from Wilson! It's like they listen to us TTers :cool:
 
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borgpro

Semi-Pro
Tried it today bone stock with 17g Cyclone @50lbs and overgrip....was really impressed!

Where old PS97s was a good frame overall it did have some limp sort of flex to it. This new one feels one-piece solid like a fine mix between RF97 and older 6.0 prostaffs. Balance is great too - feels solid and swift through stroke.

Racket did feel slightly lower SW compared to older one, but stability was very solid and sweetspot felt generous - seems like free lunch! I do suspect my racket was a bit heavier than published specs.

I am used to RF97 weight and spoiled rotten by it's spin ripping stringbed dynamics so I would probably add some lead if I was to get one of these.

Great update from Wilson! It's like they listen to us TTers :cool:
Thanks! Sounds promising!
 

PeterFig

Professional
Many Thanks ,,,, so still kevlar inside for the new model ?
Cause TW description for the new model is just braided graphite .
Yes still same... this is from the RF97 description on TW but also applies to 97S:

Although the description has changed (due to a licensing agreement), this racquet's braided composition has the exact same ingredients as the previous generation.
 

stronzzi70

Professional
Yes still same... this is from the RF97 description on TW but also applies to 97S:

Although the description has changed (due to a licensing agreement), this racquet's braided composition has the exact same ingredients as the previous generation.
Many Thanks Peter Fig ...!
 

Ambivalent

Hall of Fame
My demo 97S is coming in tomorrow. Don't know if I can switch off the old paintjob though. The gold leterring is just too sleek.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Anyone about Power between the old version and the new ?
New version not as much free power, not as much spin, but a much better racquet IMO.
Gone, is the weird string spacing; like the #3-4 gap that goes from 1.1 cm at the head out to 1.5 at the throat. Easier to string as well because of this, I believe.
If you like the more traditional Pro Staff's you'll probably like this one. The previous 97S didn't click with me, and I worked with it of a couple of months. I went on to the RF(2014), which
was much better to me than the first 97S, but after trying this new version of the 97S, it is what I was hoping for out of those other 2 racquets. It actually still feels like a Pro Staff.
As far as being a "spin" racquet, not so much. The RF and the old 97S have more spin and more power. This new 97S makes you feel really connected to the ball, which is what I prefer.
It is extremely stable and predictable.
My demo 97S is coming in tomorrow. Don't know if I can switch off the old paintjob though. The gold leterring is just too sleek.
Not sure what to say about this.
I really like the new look of the 97RF, all black paint job, but you have to decide what is more important to you; looks or function(best suited to you).
 
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stronzzi70

Professional
New version not as much free power, not as much spin, but a much better racquet IMO.
Gone, is the weird string spacing; like the #3-4 gap that goes from 1.1 cm at the head out to 1.5 at the throat. Easier to string as well because of this, I believe.
If you like the more traditional Pro Staff's you'll probably like this one. The previous 97S didn't click with me, and I worked with it of a couple of months. I went on to the RF(2014), which
was much better to me than the first 97S, but after trying this new version of the 97S, it is what I was hoping for out of those other 2 racquets. It actually still feels like a Pro Staff.
As far as being a "spin" racquet, not so much. The RF and the old 97S have more spin and more power. This new 97S makes you feel really connected to the ball, which is what I prefer.
It is extremely stable and predictable.

Not sure what to say about this.
I really like the new look of the 97RF, all black paint job, but you have to decide what is more important to you; looks or function(best suited to you).
you can compare the level of power of the new 97 S with some other frame ??
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
The new specs seem pretty similar to the recently-discontinued Six.One 95S. Anyone compared them?
I asked Chris at TW this same question. Here is his response. I just picked up a 6.1 95S and I am really liking it. I am tempted to demo the 97S though because I love thinner beams.

"The new 97S is not as spin-friendly for me as the 95S. It does offer a nice solid feel and great control, but I couldn't get the same wicked spin I can with the 95S."
 

PeterFig

Professional
Just a small string update on the 97S. I've always preferred hybrids in the racquets I've played with. I've been playing gut mains, alu power feel in crosses on the 97S, but just for fun I strung it up all Alu Power Feel at 55lb last time around and I LOVE it. The precision is fantastic, feel is actually still quite good and I feel like I can take a bit cut at the ball and it still falls in. The thinner beam and braided layup still make it feel like nice 'old school' frame despite the all poly setup.
 

ThirdEye

Semi-Pro
I've been playing with the RFA for more than a year now, I added the second one a few months ago in fact. I love it and all, but I've always been curious about the 97s because of the thinner beam. On a 0-10 scale how would you rate both racquets in terms of power and spin? I'm talking about the RFA and the new 97s, of course.
 

Anton

Legend
Just a small string update on the 97S. I've always preferred hybrids in the racquets I've played with. I've been playing gut mains, alu power feel in crosses on the 97S, but just for fun I strung it up all Alu Power Feel at 55lb last time around and I LOVE it. The precision is fantastic, feel is actually still quite good and I feel like I can take a bit cut at the ball and it still falls in. The thinner beam and braided layup still make it feel like nice 'old school' frame despite the all poly setup.
Didn't try ngut/poly yet in new 97S, but I can confirm - 17g Cyclone poly at 50lbs felt better than expected, great even.
 

RVAtennisaddict

Professional
I can't personally talk about the 97s, been playing with the 14 PS 18x20's which I want to hate but definitely play better with.
However, at my club 3 of the teaching pro's demo'ed and actually switched to it. Two of those pro's were long time head users (Graphene Speed MP and the other was using a YT Radical MP). I haven't seen the teaching pro's at my club change frames other than to new paint jobs in 10 years (if the frame was changed more than pj, they went back to the "old" frame).. so it says something in my mind.
Actually thinking about hitting with one just to see, though it is lighter than I like.
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
I've been playing with the RFA for more than a year now, I added the second one a few months ago in fact. I love it and all, but I've always been curious about the 97s because of the thinner beam. On a 0-10 scale how would you rate both racquets in terms of power and spin? I'm talking about the RFA and the new 97s, of course.
RF97, Power 10, Spin 8-9
97S, Power 8, Spin 7
...But there are a whole myriad of things to consider when comparing these two racquets.
For me personally, the 97S (new one, not the old one) are better to/for me.
 
Tried the new 97s and really liked it. Been playing with the old 97s for about eight months and find the new one a great update. My old ones probably have slightly more plow given they come in about 4pts HL and 332sw (modified to be more HL). The new 97s I was hitting with came in at 5pts HL and 328sw (not modified). I typically do not play with a leather grip so I may take that off but went ahead and pulled the trigger and bought the one I was playing with. Overall, I do find the new one to have a bit more control. The spin difference wasn't noticeable to me but will experiment with strings.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
I demeod it this weekend. Only used it for 4 games as I was rotating between demos. Also tried Blade 16x19 and 18x20 and Pure Aero. I liked this one the best. Thought is had very good control but was surprised by the lack of spin. I thought it hit a probably flat ball. Strings could have also played a part though as it was strung with full multi (wilson sensation), probably should have choose poly for this one. Playing again tonight and will make a decision based on how it goes.

For reference I am currently switching between RF97 and 6.1 95S right now. I feel both of those have much more spin but like I said strings could be playing a factor. In the RF I use gut/poly in 6.1 95S full poly.

So is it just me or does this one hit a flatter ball?
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
I demeod it this weekend. Only used it for 4 games as I was rotating between demos. Also tried Blade 16x19 and 18x20 and Pure Aero. I liked this one the best. Thought is had very good control but was surprised by the lack of spin. I thought it hit a probably flat ball. Strings could have also played a part though as it was strung with full multi (wilson sensation), probably should have choose poly for this one. Playing again tonight and will make a decision based on how it goes.

For reference I am currently switching between RF97 and 6.1 95S right now. I feel both of those have much more spin but like I said strings could be playing a factor. In the RF I use gut/poly in 6.1 95S full poly.

So is it just me or does this one hit a flatter ball?
Really unfair comparison, full multi is crap for spin, especially relative to full poly or gut/poly.

Can you restring?
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
Really unfair comparison, full multi is crap for spin, especially relative to full poly or gut/poly.

Can you restring?
The reason I went multi on all is because the Blade 16x19 only had option of multi so figured have them all the same strings to compare. Stupid decision on my part in hindsight.

I don't think TW wants you to do that but I guess I could ask.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
The reason I went multi on all is because the Blade 16x19 only had option of multi so figured have them all the same strings to compare. Stupid decision on my part in hindsight.

I don't think TW wants you to do that but I guess I could ask.
I can see why for the 16x19 Blade, it felt quite tinny and unforgiving to me with full poly.
 

haqq777

Legend
Received my demo along with 2 other racquets (16x19 Blade & 18x20 Blade) last week. I restrung the 97s with 17g Cyclone (since it came with multi in it) and took it for a spin (pun intended). Coming from someone who mostly plays with thicker beams, the 97s felt much different. I never had much playtime with the older 97S but from what little I played with older 97S, I do know is that this newer 97S is easier to swing because of the more HL balance. Was definitely more whippier and had good control moving the ball from side to side. Decent racquet overall. As others mentioned, it definitely has a lower launch angle and for a spin oriented racquet, this was not that spin friendly in my opinion. I felt it did get pushed around and could not keep up with stronger shots from the opponent (nothing a little weighting up can not solve). For reference see my signature, I play with 340g-350g static weight range sticks (330-340 SW). Anyway, to conclude, still way better than both Blades any day.
 

1990's Graphite

Hall of Fame
Haven't had a chance to try the new one but the old one is such an underrated stick ! The tw reviews do not do it justice, yet the new ps17 gets ridiculous high scores ! The old ps97s is solid, spinny, whippy and very good for an all round game. And this was all with the factory strings lol, whatever they were, they weren't too bad, white in color. I was going to buy a tc97, but this ps97s might just hold me back (for a few months) ;-)
 

Faris

Professional
Received my demo along with 2 other racquets (16x19 Blade & 18x20 Blade) last week. I restrung the 97s with 17g Cyclone (since it came with multi in it) and took it for a spin (pun intended). Coming from someone who mostly plays with thicker beams, the 97s felt much different. I never had much playtime with the older 97S but from what little I played with older 97S, I do know is that this newer 97S is easier to swing because of the more HL balance. Was definitely more whippier and had good control moving the ball from side to side. Decent racquet overall. As others mentioned, it definitely has a lower launch angle and for a spin oriented racquet, this was not that spin friendly in my opinion. I felt it did get pushed around and could not keep up with stronger shots from the opponent (nothing a little weighting up can not solve). For reference see my signature, I play with 340g-350g static weight range sticks (330-340 SW). Anyway, to conclude, still way better than both Blades any day.
ditto experience with new 97S
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
I demeod it this weekend. Only used it for 4 games as I was rotating between demos. Also tried Blade 16x19 and 18x20 and Pure Aero. I liked this one the best. Thought is had very good control but was surprised by the lack of spin. I thought it hit a probably flat ball. Strings could have also played a part though as it was strung with full multi (wilson sensation), probably should have choose poly for this one. Playing again tonight and will make a decision based on how it goes.

For reference I am currently switching between RF97 and 6.1 95S right now. I feel both of those have much more spin but like I said strings could be playing a factor. In the RF I use gut/poly in 6.1 95S full poly.

So is it just me or does this one hit a flatter ball?
I know for a fact it hits with less spin the either the RF97 or the old 97S. I have used all three. I still like this one the best.
 
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KaiserW

Hall of Fame
I know for a fact it hits with less spun the either the RF97 or the old 97S. I have used all three. I still like this one the best.
Thanks for the feedback. So in reading your above posts you like it best because of it's preditability (control) and feel?
 
Hope to have the 97S to try out this week and will post my thoughts. I tried the older 97S and liked it best among the 3 Pro Staff 97 models. The only thing I didn't like about the original 97S was the sweet spot location. I felt that it was not in the center nor at the top of the racquet and took some time to find the sweet spot of the racquet.
 

mogo

Semi-Pro
I have been using the New 97s for 2 weeks. I love the angles on ground strokes and serves. Kick serves are great to hit because of the weight and balance, being not so headlight keeps the ball on the strings longer so the ball really does kick. My only knock is that I can not hit a ball that is as penetrating as my Yonex tour G. Its about 11.7 with an overgrip compared to my Yonex Tour G its about 12.4 with overgrip and really makes a difference. But i do like the racquet and hitting with it is fun. I do feel it is a solid improvement compared to the last model. I love the box beam and 19.5mm frame feels like the tour 90's and i loved those frames. I feel that the angle is lower and flatter but i think that helps especially when hitting those angle shots because it does take time away from an opponent and volleys are crisp so follow it in and put away the volley. ;) Slices do stay low as well, all in all its a good solid frame with control to move the ball around court. But in the end i'll be sticking with my Yonex Tour G, i need the extra plow through.
 

PeterFig

Professional
Small update on setup of my 97S (v11.0):
I've switched from all Alu Power Feel to an all Luxilon Element string job. Strung at 56#. I liked the Alu Power quite a bit, but the Element adds a level of feel and softness that is very nice. I previously had this racquet in a hybrid with gut in mains, so the Element setup gets me a bit closer to that feeling, yet allows me to generate more spin with greater control. So far I'm loving it. I'm also using a frame with no weight added to the handle (previously I had anywhere from 10 - 20g in the handle). Plays quite well to be honest but I'll be putting in some putty into the grip today - about 7-8g of it.
 

KaiserW

Hall of Fame
I played with it again last night and I am really torn between it, my RF97 and 6.1 95S. I feel I play best with the RF97 but it is a little much to wield after awhile. The power, spin, and stability is very addictive.

In comparing the 97S with the 6.1 95S they are very similiar in my opinion. Basically the same weight and very close in balance. I like the feel of the 97S better which might be because of the thinner beam. Feels great in hand.

Power slight edge to the 6.1 95S, control slight edge to the 97S, and spin goes to the 6.1 95S. Although the 97S demo is strung with a multi I still think the 6.1 95S will win out on spin.

With gut/poly I think that will add some needed pop to the 97S. Tough decision!

Fxanimator - By the way what are you using for strings?
 
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