Any info on this Soviet era racket?

slach01

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I picked this up while travelling last week, and had not seen anything like it before. The seller noted that it was a racket used by Soviet youth back in the day. Does anyone here have any additional insight into its history. Just curious :)

(having trouble linking the pic from flickr using the mountain icon, but the link is below)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/25361858@N07/shares/8yE126
 

Injured Again

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I think I might have seen a racquet like that. It was around the time that Fischer racquets of that shape were most popular but it wasn't a Fischer and it wasn't a brand I recognized either.
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Professional
Just asked my wife (former CCCP-youth-tennisplayer) about it; she said "hahaha, everyone wanted to have it cause it was new and supposed to be WEST ... but as soon as we got it, we went back to our regular rackets; they were too soft, not suitable for serious business".
 
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BorgCash

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I picked this up while travelling last week, and had not seen anything like it before. The seller noted that it was a racket used by Soviet youth back in the day. Does anyone here have any additional insight into its history. Just curious :)

(having trouble linking the pic from flickr using the mountain icon, but the link is below)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/25361858@N07/shares/8yE126
actually i don't see the picture. If it is glavsportprom, i have many of them of all three models. I wrote long ago a post named Russian made Kneissl. You can get all info from it.
 

BorgCash

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Just asked my wife (former CCCP-youth-tennisplayer) about it; she said "hahaha, everyone wanted to have it cause it was new and supposed to be WEST ... but as soon as we got it, we went back to our regular rackets; they were too soft, not suitable for serious business".
There were three types of licenced Kneissl made by Glavsportprom - Gigant (Red Star Big), Progress (Blue Star Midplus) and Master (White Star Pro - Lendl's racquet). All pros wanted Master, it was very control oriented racquet for high-skilled players. Progress was much softer 'cause it was mono shat stick. But i consider this softness as a plus. If you could control it it was quite powerful. It was a joy to play with it. I like myself to train with Master, a heavy one, 390 gr, for regular play Progress is more suitable. I don't like Gigant, big head, lack of feel. Master and Progress are very good racquets if you have enough skill to use them.
 

BorgCash

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... but if you will not love it, you will - at least - have one more cool racket. Then, wait a few years and try again.
The quality of all these soviet made licensed Kneissl (three types) was very different in terms of time of production. First it was close to original Austrian made, all racquets were painted like Austrian (even White Star Pro was white, i have that version, it is quite rare), then quality decreased dramatically, Kneissl stopped official license company, but Soviet production continued (without licensed information written on top of racquets). All racquets were painted some kind of military grey colour. There were production month/year written on every racquet so it is very easy to trace quality changed.
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Professional
The quality of all these soviet made licensed Kneissl (three types) was very different in terms of time of production. First it was close to original Austrian made, all racquets were painted like Austrian (even White Star Pro was white, i have that version, it is quite rare), then quality decreased dramatically, Kneissl stopped official license company, but Soviet production continued (without licensed information written on top of racquets). All racquets were painted some kind of military grey colour. There were production month/year written on every racquet so it is very easy to trace quality changed.
The problem: russian players wanted western sticks, which were very hard to get. If you had western racket or western BlueJeans, you were king/queen of daily socialism.
As soon as there were "russian" Kneissls, russian players didn't want them anymore. The quality of russian goods was usually terrible, especially russian copies just as Ural/Dnepr-Bikes compared to BMW-Original or the sad story of russian Levi's.
Another problem was non-existence of continuity in production-line; you could get a fine example on monday and a piece of trash on tuesday.
Next russian standard: if you want something better, you have to pay extra. If you won't, you will get the "tuesday-racket", the "tuesday-lada" or - more common - you will get nothing at all; those things will never change in russia. Its the daily corruption, this is the way, the system works.
Of course, young players had their own opinion of russian Kneissls; even if those sticks would have done miracles, they were still russian.
 

BorgCash

Legend
The problem: russian players wanted western sticks, which were very hard to get. If you had western racket or western BlueJeans, you were king/queen of daily socialism.
As soon as there were "russian" Kneissls, russian players didn't want them anymore. The quality of russian goods was usually terrible, especially russian copies just as Ural/Dnepr-Bikes compared to BMW-Original or the sad story of russian Levi's.
Another problem was non-existence of continuity in production-line; you could get a fine example on monday and a piece of trash on tuesday.
Next russian standard: if you want something better, you have to pay extra. If you won't, you will get the "tuesday-racket", the "tuesday-lada" or - more common - you will get nothing at all; those things will never change in russia. Its the daily corruption, this is the way, the system works.
Of course, young players had their own opinion of russian Kneissls; even if those sticks would have done miracles, they were still russian.
I started to play in 1982 and my first racquet was wood Москва - Moscow, pirate copy of Dunlop Maxply, it was the best soviet made tennis racquet. The next level was western made racquets. National team played with contract Adidas, but original Dunlop or Wilson or Slazenger were better, so every top level player tried to get them. In 1986 i got my first graphite - Donnay, my parents brought it from Australia and i began to play twice better. So i did not used soviet made Kneissls back them. Now it is fun to play with it, if you have enough skills, they're probably better than modern chinese garbage for$200+.
Considering quality of old soviet Kneissl, it was very different. My friend and coach was familiar with female director of that Glavsportprom factory, so he could come there and choose the racquets for his friends directly from factory warehouse.
And i could say that players, who could not afford western racquet back than (they costed two months average salary on black market) were glad to get those licensed Kneissls.
 

BorgCash

Legend
The problem: russian players wanted western sticks, which were very hard to get. If you had western racket or western BlueJeans, you were king/queen of daily socialism.
As soon as there were "russian" Kneissls, russian players didn't want them anymore. The quality of russian goods was usually terrible, especially russian copies just as Ural/Dnepr-Bikes compared to BMW-Original or the sad story of russian Levi's.
Another problem was non-existence of continuity in production-line; you could get a fine example on monday and a piece of trash on tuesday.
Next russian standard: if you want something better, you have to pay extra. If you won't, you will get the "tuesday-racket", the "tuesday-lada" or - more common - you will get nothing at all; those things will never change in russia. Its the daily corruption, this is the way, the system works.
Of course, young players had their own opinion of russian Kneissls; even if those sticks would have done miracles, they were still russian.
About different quality, corruption and etc. It is nothing to compare to modern day corruption, it is huge now, and at least there were some domestic made racquets, now it is nothing.
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Professional
Now, you can buy literally anything, if you're willing to pay a way higher price.
Corruption didnt change at all, it just went different. "Gifts" as chocolate or flowers are still mandatory (like some nice tradition) but in general, you need to pay either in cash or blood. You get officially robbed each and every day, just as "Stand and Deliver". If you cant/wont pay, you're f****.
PS: i remember those russian Maxplys, my wife had one too.
 
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BorgCash

Legend
Now, you can buy literally anything, if you're willing to pay a way higher price.
Corruption didnt change at all, it just went different. "Gifts" as chocolate or flowers are still mandatory (like some nice tradition) but in general, you need to pay either in cash or blood. You get officially robbed each and every day, just as "Stand and Deliver". If you cant/wont pay, you're f****.
PS: i remember those russian Maxplys, my wife had one too.
One of the propaganda things you've posted, actually everything were vice versa.
 

BorgCash

Legend
Now, you can buy literally anything, if you're willing to pay a way higher price.
Corruption didnt change at all, it just went different. "Gifts" as chocolate or flowers are still mandatory (like some nice tradition) but in general, you need to pay either in cash or blood. You get officially robbed each and every day, just as "Stand and Deliver". If you cant/wont pay, you're f****.
PS: i remember those russian Maxplys, my wife had one too.
you did not even imagine the level of corruption in modern Russia, it's another planet compare to Soviet time.
 

13GATOSNEGROS

Professional
One of the propaganda things you've posted, actually everything were vice versa.
Corruption is one problem, violence is another. Violence/oppression connected to corruption is worse than ever; abuse of power caused by greed.
My brother in law was killed because he refused to "sell" family-appartement in Moscow City Center.
The "interested part" was head of some government authority.
 

BorgCash

Legend
Corruption is one problem, violence is another. Violence/oppression connected to corruption is worse than ever; abuse of power caused by greed.
My brother in law was killed because he refused to "sell" family-appartement in Moscow City Center.
The "interested part" was head of an authority.
Correct. Because all the state system is build to be criminal. Every country has it's own mafia, but only in modern Russia mafia has it's own country.
 
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