Any insight on prince phantom frames?

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Arjuntino

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Looking for a flexible spin friendly racket. From the reviews I read, they all sound the same. And specs are very similar.

Tried
pure aero -> tennis elbow
Clash 98/100 -> erratic pocketing/release

Came across prince rackets
-Prince Phantom Pro 100 - 2017
-Prince Phantom O3 100X - 2020
-Prince Phantom 100X - 2020 (not o3)
-Prince Phantom 97P - 2020
 
Arjuntino said:
Looking for a flexible spin friendly racket. From the reviews I read, they all sound the same. And specs are very similar.

Tried
pure aero -> tennis elbow
Clash 98/100 -> erratic pocketing/release

Came across prince rackets
-Prince Phantom Pro 100 - 2017
-Prince Phantom O3 100X - 2020
-Prince Phantom 100X - 2020 (not o3)
-Prince Phantom 97P - 2020
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Don't see what the confusion is. 2017 is the older and softer generation. One has O ports, 1 doesn't, and 97p is a 97" head. They're all flexy so you're going to have to look at the specs and choose which is better for you
 
@Arjuntino

The O3 100X is worth a try. Ported frames swing quicker than their swingweight would indicate. If you don't want the muted feel of the O_ports, the 100X would be my next recommendation.
Disclosure, I play ported frame, since their release.
Good luck in your search
 
The 97p and the pro are demanding frames than don't give anything for free. You have to be an advanced player to get the best out of them. As mentioned above, I would lean towards the ported version, as it is easy to swing and quite forgiving on the off center shots. The 100x 305 gram is a bit thicker and a nice choice if you are not accustomed to the o-ports.
 
The 100x version is meant to be the most spin friendly, but as far as playability I really like the 100P but it seems to be out of stock. As far as hitting for pleasure I like the 93 P 18/20 but I wouldn’t use it in a doubles match.
 
@Arjuntino - Since you're coming from trying the likes of an Aero and Clash, I figure a word about core Phantom differences is in order -- mainly that their thin, flexy beams and older-school physical dynamics won't provide anywhere near the same type of free power or easy counterpunch capability you'd get with a more modern, wider-beamed design, even just a wider box beam player frame, to say nothing of a player/tweener hybrid or full-blown tweener. Unless you really know that the thin-beam, low-power paradigm is for you, I would tread carefully with Phantoms (to their defense, they do have wonderful feel and beautiful aesthetics).

That said, there are plenty of soft-but-spinny options that could very likely make tennis easier and just as rewarding. From Prince, that would include the ATS Tour series, which is moderately spinny. A likely even better choice for soft and spin, however, is the 2023 Yonex Vcore line (releasing for sale next week). Both of those silos have strung RAs down in the low 60's to 60-ish (right in Phantom territory), but offer way more free power and general ease-of-use for the average player and the more modern, punchier game.

The choice is yours of course, but before jumping in with a Phantom, I would make sure to at least demo an ATS Tour or 2023 VCore, or both. I think you'll be a lot better off for having done so.
 
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Try a ProKennex Black Ace 300 or 315 (both are 100 square inch head size), or a Black Ace Pro (97 square inches). All are very flexible and spin friendly (especially the 100 square inch head size models). They have better control than the Clash and better stability and maneuverability than the Phantoms.
 
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@Arjuntino - Since you're coming from trying the likes of an Aero and Clash, I figure a word about core Phantom differences is in order -- mainly that their thin, flexy beams and older-school physical dynamics won't provide anywhere near the same type of free power or easy counterpunch capability you'd get with a more modern, wider-beamed design, even just a wider box beam player frame, to say nothing of a player/tweener hybrid or full-blown tweener. Unless you really know that the thin-beam, low-power paradigm is for you, I would tread carefully with Phantoms (to their defense, they do have wonderful feel and beautiful aesthetics).

That said, there are plenty of soft-but-spinny options that could very likely make tennis easier and just as rewarding. From Prince, that would include the ATS Tour series, which is moderately spinny. A likely even better choice for soft and spin, however, is the 2023 Yonex Vcore line (releasing for sale next week). Both of those silos have strung RAs down in the low 60's to 60-ish (right in Phantom territory), but offer way more free power and general ease-of-use for the average player and the more modern, punchier game.

The choice is yours of course, but before jumping in with a Phantom, I would make sure to at least demo an ATS Tour or 2023 VCore, or both. I think you'll be a lot better off for having done so.
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Noted.
I currently use a weighed radical youtek ig. I think it is more in line with the princes? Maybe slightly more powerful?


I like topspin heavy tennis, but have been unable to find a setup that works with my elbow issues.

I noticed all the princes were 100 sq inch, 16x18/16xq9 and <=60 flex, so that caught my attention


I'll take a look at the 2023 Yonex Vcores. I had tried the previous 2 iterations, and the feeling was mixed.
 
BumElbow said:
Try a ProKennex Black Ace 300 or 315 (both are 100 square inch head size), or a Black Ace Pro (97 square inches). All are very flexible and spin friendly (especially the 100 square inch head size models). They have better control than the Clash and better stability and maneuverability than the Phantoms.
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This looks interesting. I'll take a look.
 
@Arjuntino - Which YouTek IG Radical model do you have (including string pattern)? Even before knowing specifically, at a broad level you're coming from one of the highest-quality, sweetest-feeling retail silos ever made, so a transition to almost any current frame is probably going to a compromise in some way or another. That said, I would actually second @BumElbow's suggestion of ProKennex, which, if you can gel with their movable mass technology, ironically enough has some of the best feel with some of the cleanest layups (least amount of filler dampening "tech") of anything out there currently. I can help make a model recommendation once I know which model IG Radical you've got.
 
Trip said:
@Arjuntino - Since you're coming from trying the likes of an Aero and Clash, I figure a word about core Phantom differences is in order -- mainly that their thin, flexy beams and older-school physical dynamics won't provide anywhere near the same type of free power or easy counterpunch capability you'd get with a more modern, wider-beamed design, even just a wider box beam player frame, to say nothing of a player/tweener hybrid or full-blown tweener. Unless you really know that the thin-beam, low-power paradigm is for you, I would tread carefully with Phantoms (to their defense, they do have wonderful feel and beautiful aesthetics).

That said, there are plenty of soft-but-spinny options that could very likely make tennis easier and just as rewarding. From Prince, that would include the ATS Tour series, which is moderately spinny. A likely even better choice for soft and spin, however, is the 2023 Yonex Vcore line (releasing for sale next week). Both of those silos have strung RAs down in the low 60's to 60-ish (right in Phantom territory), but offer way more free power and general ease-of-use for the average player and the more modern, punchier game.

The choice is yours of course, but before jumping in with a Phantom, I would make sure to at least demo an ATS Tour or 2023 VCore, or both. I think you'll be a lot better off for having done so.
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Hell yeah!8-B
 
I used the 97p for a year or so and found it to be an excellent racquet . In the end I went back to a stiffer frame of similar dimensions (PS 97) but that was personal preference.
 
I am hoping that Prince will release their third iteration of the Phantom range in 2023. The deep purple cosmetic could become more distinctive. They do need to clean the range up and probably up the power slightly without sacrificing feel and comfort.
Probably the 93P’s could become a 96 sq inch head with a 16/19 and 18/20. I think the 14/18 is probably harder for Prince to get a. ROI.
The Phantom Pro with its 55 ra and 18/20 string pattern is very under powered, especially on the serve. I think they could innovate here and keep the 03 version but add the V throat with a slightly thicker beam and make it with a 98 head and paint it iridescent purple. Have something exciting.
The 100P is the frame that holds the range together snd this should be their tour spec Phantom in a mat finish deep purple. With the cross bar throat versions, just have the one with the 107 head and the 97 P, well I don’t know what they should do with that l.
 
I had TE for a year. Went from the Clash, PS 100, PS 7.5 95, and now to phantom pro 100. I'm very satisfied w the pro 100. I just demoed the O3 100x and it felt weird: lacking control and sounded like mishits every shot.

The Clash, PS 7.5, and pro 100 all have RAs in the 50s. I stopped using the Clash bc I wanted more control.
 
Trip said:
@Arjuntino - Which YouTek IG Radical model do you have (including string pattern)? Even before knowing specifically, at a broad level you're coming from one of the highest-quality, sweetest-feeling retail silos ever made, so a transition to almost any current frame is probably going to a compromise in some way or another. That said, I would actually second @BumElbow's suggestion of ProKennex, which, if you can gel with their movable mass technology, ironically enough has some of the best feel with some of the cleanest layups (least amount of filler dampening "tech") of anything out there currently. I can help make a model recommendation once I know which model IG Radical you've got.
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@Trip
Current setup:

Head radical youtek ig pro ( 16x19)
I replaced grip with leather grip, and added 2 grams to 3, and 2 grams to 9 o'clock. ~340 g
Head rip control 16 g at 55lbs.

Only real complaint is game is very flat, and I have trouble "whipping" the ball in. Especially on approach forehand shots.



Other problems are:
1) strings last ~10-15 hours of match play.
2) I like it a lot, but my game is relatively flat with it. I Want to add more spin.

I used to use genesis typhoon instead of rip control, and that's what messed up my elbow. (I know genesis typhoon is not an arm friendly string, but i was uneducated and I wanted a spinny blue color )



My thoughts:
1)thought was to increase from 95 sq inch to a flexible 100 sq inch, 16x19. And see if I can manage with poly. With clash, I lost too much control. I hadn't seen any ~60 Flex 100 sq inches.

2) technifibre razor code is on the to try list. I tried a demo on the tfight iso 305
(2/10 elbow pain after ~50 serves on the stock demo tfight 305)


Observations so far.
I have tried clash 98, clash 100 pro, tfight iso305, and radical mp bumblebee. With the razor code.


- Problem with the clash, was too much power when strung at 50 lbs. I can confidently swing at like 60% power. Otherwise i have to just brush up on the ball.

Similar issue with babolat pure aero (2021? The original rafa paint job)

radical mp bumblebee was too heavy for serves.

tfight 305 (can't seem to recreate demo setup.)

Based on the reviews, prokennex and princes are lower powered, which is how I ended up here.
 
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ey039524 said:
I had TE for a year. Went from the Clash, PS 100, PS 7.5 95, and now to phantom pro 100. I'm very satisfied w the pro 100. I just demoed the O3 100x and it felt weird: lacking control and sounded like mishits every shot.

The Clash, PS 7.5, and pro 100 all have RAs in the 50s. I stopped using the Clash bc I wanted more control.
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Makes sense. Lack of control was my problem too. Some of the reviews said O3 100x was low powered? Did you feel that it was too powerful, or just lacked control?
 
Crocodile said:
I am hoping that Prince will release their third iteration of the Phantom range in 2023. The deep purple cosmetic could become more distinctive. They do need to clean the range up and probably up the power slightly without sacrificing feel and comfort.
Probably the 93P’s could become a 96 sq inch head with a 16/19 and 18/20. I think the 14/18 is probably harder for Prince to get a. ROI.
The Phantom Pro with its 55 ra and 18/20 string pattern is very under powered, especially on the serve. I think they could innovate here and keep the 03 version but add the V throat with a slightly thicker beam and make it with a 98 head and paint it iridescent purple. Have something exciting.
The 100P is the frame that holds the range together snd this should be their tour spec Phantom in a mat finish deep purple. With the cross bar throat versions, just have the one with the 107 head and the 97 P, well I don’t know what they should do with that l.
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Phantom line could probably use some cleaning up. A few of them seem to overlap each other…. just don’t get rid of my 107!
 
I think that Prince should make some adjustments to their O3 racquets. They did spend a lot of money on this technology and I thought that the golden orange coloured speed port tour 97 was a very good frame snd so was the 03 tour mid. ( black and orange ).
The key thing with the Phantom range is to make it stand out slightly more while keeping it classy and giving the frames a bit more gutsy ness. You want manufacturers to keep making these types of frames for customers but that will only continue if the sales are good, so they need to nail the Gen 3 version of these frames if they are indeed making them.
 
Just some more personal thoughts about the Phantom range. Out of all the models in their range the most optimal frame is the 100P which seems to be out of stock.
My wish list would be for Prince to make the same weight and balance specs of the 93P but put into the 97P. I think the current. 97P is too light.
 
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I have Phantom 100P, almost brand new, bought just a month ago, played couple times and decided to go back to my power frames, phantoms are not for me but if anyone wants to buy it, please IM me.
 
Arjuntino said:
Makes sense. Lack of control was my problem too. Some of the reviews said O3 100x was low powered? Did you feel that it was too powerful, or just lacked control?
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Not too powerful, but sprayed balls everywhere, even on volleys. It was not similar at all to the Phantom Pro 100. I was really hoping I would like the O ports, so this was a huge disappointment. I only play doubles, so I am always looking for the most dwell, pocketing on my volleys.
 
The O3 100X was a really bad update for me. Probably the worst Phantom. The first gen Phantom O3 was great. It was under powered for most but for high rhs swingers it great. Best touch, superb volleys, and massive amounts of spin. This was my favorite O3 version since the original 03 mid and midplus. My two knocks, tw too high, and string breakage but that is to be expected.
 
@Arjuntino - Thanks for sharing more specifics about your setup. I think either a 97/98" 16-main or 100" 18-main would give you the best blend of spin and control. Here are all the ones with an RA flex in the low 60's/60-ish, just like your IG Rad Pro:

- Babolat Pure Strike VS (w/ 4-5g lead @ 12)
- Head Gravity Pro or Tour
- Prince ATS Tour 98 or 100P
- Prince Phantom 97P
- ProKennex Ki Q+ Tour
- Tecnifibre TF40 305 16x19 (w/ few g lead @ 9 & 3, 12 or 10 & 2)
- 2023 Yonex VCore 95 or 98 (w/ few g lead @ 12)
 
Trip said:
@Arjuntino - Thanks for sharing more specifics about your setup. I think either a 97/98" 16-main or 100" 18-main would give you the best blend of spin and control. Here are all the ones with an RA flex in the low 60's/60-ish, just like your IG Rad Pro:

- Babolat Pure Strike VS (w/ 4-5g lead @ 12)
- Head Gravity Pro or Tour
- Prince ATS Tour 98 or 100P
- Prince Phantom 97P
- ProKennex Ki Q+ Tour
- Tecnifibre TF40 305 16x19 (w/ few g lead @ 9 & 3, 12 or 10 & 2)
- 2023 Yonex VCore 95 or 98 (w/ few g lead @ 12)
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Thank you! I think I need to get the demos going. Probably will start with the prince phantom and yonex, and go from there.
 
Arjuntino said:
Thank you! I think I need to get the demos going. Probably will start with the prince phantom and yonex, and go from there.
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Update:
Tried
-Phantom 97p
-Pro kennex black ace
-phantom 100 pro ( broke in <10 mins, so will need to get it reatrung)

97p fun to hit with, I could hit as hard as I wanted, very accuratly, but took a little too much energy from me, especially on serves. Didn't get the pop I wanted.

Prokennex black ace felt good, a tad unstable on backhands. Not sire how I feel about the beads.

Over all they both felt pretty similar to my current set up. Actually I felt I get more top spin with the radical (Maybe courtesy of the demo strings)
 
I'm currently using a 97p. Hyrbid setup of HyperG Soft mains and Yonex Rexis Speed Crosses at 24kg. I've leaded it up though for some more stability and power at 10 & 2, and some in the handle. Overall it's sitting at 343g. It's a beast. I freaking love it. Accurate, decent spin and power, very whippy. For me it's ideal. All courter. 4.5 / 45 years old.
 
My current stick of choice is the Pro 100 18x20. For my game, it is an incredible racquet. The accuracy is awesome and I can hit solid forehands and backhands with it. I have not found a racquet that has given me the same level of confidence on my backhand. I can mentally see the shot that I want to hit and the racquet will make it happen. People say that it is low powered but I have all the power that I need from it. I have nothing bad to say about the racquet. It seems to do everything well. I am trying to keep it my little secret but it is hard not to brag about it once in a while.
 
Just decided to stick to my head youtek ig radical. The head shape feels the most comfortable.

Wilson pro labs ultra pro 16x19 worked well too, but in the end felt too much like a frying pan.

Switching to poly made more of a difference than the racket.
I have been using head lynx tour recently.
The head lynx tour doesnt seem to be triggering tennis elbow issues.

I want to try the 2023 yonex vcore 95, but haven't gotten to it yet.

The phantom 97 didn't feel like it gave enough power. It was okay. But I needed some extra free power. And I wasn't of a fan of the phantom 100. I think the twisting is more amplified with the larger head sizes.
 
@Arjuntino - I don't blame you for sticking with your IG Rad.

A bit surprising that the UP 16x19 felt like a frying pan -- perhaps string choice was too stiff, maybe even dead, and/or the tension was too high?

As for the Phantom (any of them), probably best to skip. They have next to zero inherent pop, leaving you to derive power from sheer mass, or explosive-enough strings, or both. Don't get me wrong, I still love them for their feel and aesthetics, but IMHO they're just a bit too outmoded if you're already used to even an IG Radical.

As for the '23 VC95, I'd be curious to see if you could get along with the more tear-dropped shape and the feel (which is noticeable better than the 2021, but still a bit muted). You might try finding a 2018 VCore 95, which will offer the best feel of all VC95's, plus a more smartly shaped hoop (in my opinion), but tends to need lead at 9 & 3 for stability.
 
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Trip said:
@Arjuntino - I don't blame you for sticking with your IG Rad.

A bit surprising that the UP 16x19 felt like a frying pan -- perhaps string choice was too stiff, maybe even dead, and/or the tension was too high?

As for the Phantom (any of them), probably best to skip. They have next to zero inherent pop, leaving you to derive power from sheer mass, or explosive-enough strings, or both. Don't get me wrong, I still love them for their feel and aesthetics, but IMHO they're just a bit too outmoded if you're already used to even an IG Radical.

As for the '23 VC95, I'd be curious to see if you could get along with the more tear-dropped shape and the feel (which is noticeable better than the 2021, but still a bit muted). You might try finding a 2018 VCore 95, which will offer the best feel of all VC95's, plus a more smartly shaped hoop (in my opinion), but tends to need lead at 9 & 3 for stability.
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Makes sense.

I like the oval?? Shape on the ig rad and head pro tour. Maybe on the Wilson UP, I need to add more mass at 3 and 9, so off center hits don' twist it so much. I guess just relative to the ig, it feels a little bulky.
My hypothesis is the "radius" from sweet spot to the frame is bigger which makes it less stable, even with the same weight.

Slightly concerned with the increased stiffness of the 2018 vcore 95 (64 vs 61 on the 2023). 64 is my upper bound, so it still might work.
 
I am concerned about the future of Prince Tennis. Prince is owned by Authentic Brands which also owns Sports Illustrated. Last week, Sports Illustrated changed the status of most of its employees to freelance status. The low prices on some Prince models are intended to increase market share and also to clear out discontinued models. Prince makes many fine racquets - I own a couple of Phantoms and they are great. But, its parent company may be hurting financially and that's a big concern.
 
Arjuntino said:
Just decided to stick to my head youtek ig radical. The head shape feels the most comfortable.

Wilson pro labs ultra pro 16x19 worked well too, but in the end felt too much like a frying pan.

Switching to poly made more of a difference than the racket.
I have been using head lynx tour recently.
The head lynx tour doesnt seem to be triggering tennis elbow issues.

I want to try the 2023 yonex vcore 95, but haven't gotten to it yet.

The phantom 97 didn't feel like it gave enough power. It was okay. But I needed some extra free power. And I wasn't of a fan of the phantom 100. I think the twisting is more amplified with the larger head sizes.
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The 97P needs weight added to it, but ok I hear you. The Solinco Whiteout 18x20 is an excellent option too if you can try a demo. I loved it.
 
Hansen said:
would be nice if the new phantom 100 18x20 weights 310gr, but i already know this won‘t happen.
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Easy fix. You can replace the original Resitex Tour Grip that weighs as much as a leather grip with a lighter PU replacement grip.
 
Gee said:
Easy fix. You can replace the original Resitex Tour Grip that weighs as much as a leather grip with a lighter PU replacement grip.
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is it that heavy, damn. ok, this is an option, but still hoping for a lighter version.
 
BumElbow said:
I am concerned about the future of Prince Tennis. Prince is owned by Authentic Brands which also owns Sports Illustrated. Last week, Sports Illustrated changed the status of most of its employees to freelance status. The low prices on some Prince models are intended to increase market share and also to clear out discontinued models. Prince makes many fine racquets - I own a couple of Phantoms and they are great. But, its parent company may be hurting financially and that's a big concern.
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I'm concerned also. The other day I googled who is the creative director of Prince and I was a bit suprised that they would place a Miami restauranteur / entrepreneur at the helm of the brands creative and marketing activities. That department is completely disconnected from the Prince R&D department. Seems they licence out product to Japan and the US and let Authentic brands take care of the brand. I'm actually a creative director myself, mainly working in the fashion and accessories industries, however, I have such a huge interest in tennis and sports apparel in general that I wouldn't mind taking on that job. I've been playing with Prince since the late 80s and have always stuck to the brand (alongside Wilson for it's K90 and K Blade 93 for a little bit). They need to sponsor some pros and stop d*cking around with the mickey mouse marketing so the new generation takes the brand a bit more seriously otherwise the brand will end up being supported the 40+ age group and beyond. I can't believe they let Iga Swiatek go. They should have designed a racket just for her and given her a sponshop deal. Huge missed opportunity.
 
pdparos78 said:
They need to sponsor some pros and stop d*cking around with the mickey mouse marketing so the new generation takes the brand a bit more seriously otherwise the brand will end up being supported the 40+ age group and beyond. I can't believe they let Iga Swiatek go. They should have designed a racket just for her and given her a sponshop deal. Huge missed opportunity.
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Was never going to happen then, and likely won't happen now. Why? Because Prince is not a wholly-owned corporate entity, serving the end-user customer as a succinct unit, like Head, Wilson, etc. Prince is just a licensed sub-entity at this point, with a ton of disconnection when you look at the global presentation of the "brand". There's a massive difference there, and there always will be, until someone somehow buys all of that and runs it from within a single global corporate entity. IMHO, not likely to happen. Not impossible, but a very slim chance at this point. Is it a shame? Certainly. Is it reality? Yeah, it probably is.
 
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I play with a Phantom Pro 100 with the 16x18 pattern string at 40 lbs. That combination gives plenty of power. It's not a super stable racket, but it's a joy to play with for feel and comfort.
My regular racket is a Prestige Pro 95 16x19. Heavier and more stable. I can play pretty good at 4.0 with both.

I don't care who owns the company, just happy there's someone making these type of rackets for rec players.
 
Trip said:
Was never going to happen then, and likely won't happen now. Why? Because Prince is not a wholly-owned corporate entity, serving the end-user customer as a succinct unit, like Head, Wilson, etc. Prince is just a name and a collection of IP, licensed to whomever is willing to resell it, in whatever manner they choose, divided up by geography. There's a massive difference there, and there always will be, until someone somehow buys back the rights to the Prince name and reorgs a new corporate entity to operate it anew, from the ground up, in the same way that the Bab, Head, Wilson, etc. operate. IMHO, not likely to happen. Not impossible, but a very slim chance at this point. Is it a shame? Certainly. Is it reality? Yeah, it probably is.
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You are absolutely right. That is exactly the single issue here. Scattered management and fragmented interests. I really do hope someone buys the whole company outright and puts it back on course. I don't mind brand collaborations with savvy partners. Did you ever see this one with Sporty & Rich ? I think it was done tastefully with the right balance of nostalgia and fashion. https://sportyandrich.com/pages/prince-x-sporty-rich-pt-2?_pos=3&_psq=prince&_ss=e&_v=1.0 - I don't like the Hydrogen Spark collaboration at all. The Reigning Champ one was pretty decent - https://reigningchamp.com/collectio...MtVTj2LkhdjLR7zmc89_56gCtJz-HOGpNOkdaLyfkKqfw. The rest are for the bin. They also shouldn't have discontinued the 97p and 93p lines. The Japanese division is pretty good - they seem to be their own entity where they design and manufacture their own line of rackets.
 
Bill Lobsalot said:
I don't care who owns the company, just happy there's someone making these type of rackets for rec players.
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At the end of the day, this is my take, too. I'm just glad someone is still making their products, and hopefully will continue to. Would it be great to see them reincorporate back into the singular powerhouse that they could be? Yeah, that would be awesome. But in the meantime, at least we still have some Phantoms, Tours, Warriors, string and accessories, with a decent amount of continuity to them.
 
pdparos78 said:
You are absolutely right. That is exactly the single issue here. Scattered management and fragmented interests. I really do hope someone buys the whole company outright and puts it back on course. I don't mind brand collaborations with savvy partners. Did you ever see this one with Sporty & Rich ? I think it was done tastefully with the right balance of nostalgia and fashion. https://sportyandrich.com/pages/prince-x-sporty-rich-pt-2?_pos=3&_psq=prince&_ss=e&_v=1.0 - I don't like the Hydrogen Spark collaboration at all. The Reigning Champ one was pretty decent - https://reigningchamp.com/collectio...MtVTj2LkhdjLR7zmc89_56gCtJz-HOGpNOkdaLyfkKqfw. The rest are for the bin. They also shouldn't have discontinued the 97p and 93p lines. The Japanese division is pretty good - they seem to be their own entity where they design and manufacture their own line of rackets.
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Tim hinted that there are more phantoms that were updated and could be coming out after the initial 100-100+" frames.
 
ey039524 said:
Tim hinted that there are more phantoms that were updated and could be coming out after the initial 100-100+" frames.
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If they're in that horrible army camo colour scheme, i'm out. The current dark plum / wine colour is a great colour. The japanese versions of the Phantom collection always look so good. Minimal and sleek. Lets see.
 
pdparos78 said:
If they're in that horrible army camo colour scheme, i'm out. The current dark plum / wine colour is a great colour. The japanese versions of the Phantom collection always look so good. Minimal and sleek. Lets see.
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Agreed. I had the new 100p from the playtest, and I ended up giving it away. It's going to be hard to beat the old pj.
 
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