Any other racquet I should waste my money on in the hope that it’s the one?

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
How is your serve speed? You mention your "academy" which I'm assuming is a tennis academy, so you are probably in your teens. The reason I ask about your serve speed is to get an idea of the pronation you're getting while serving. Your bicep has 2 connecting tendons--1 near the elbow, the other towards the top that connects to the shoulder area. Which of yours is having pain? You haven't been working on lowering your toss, or something like that have you? Hope you're getting better by now, and if not, yes, you should get a doctor who specializes in tennis injuries to look at it.
Im 21 actually. I’d say first serves I’m probably hitting about 110-115. The one hurting is the one nearer the elbow, although I can feel the effects of it all the way from my shoulder blade/back to my hand. I haven’t worked on lowering my toss nope. In fact been working on making it a little higher. Yeah I think a proper look on this is definitely in my best interest. Fingers crossed to fix it, and if not, just to know what’s up and maybe limit the damage.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
OP has got a wrecked arm but still wants nothing less than the seductive bite, spin and control of a shaped co-poly strung tight. Also, seems unwilling to make changes to the first serve, because 'coach' doesn't think anything's wrong.
The situation is dire. :cautious:
It is a very seductive bite I do agree. I would say it’s strung tight. I’m just trying to find that point where I can have some control with my racquet and also not hurt my arm. Which is why the blade is a no go as I have to go way too tight with it to gain that control.
 

nvr2old

Hall of Fame
My idea re your injury......stop getting advice about your physical diagnosis from an online tennis forum and see a proper orthopedic physician in person for diagnosis (maybe MRI) and then appropriate treatment first......then address the racquet issue if there even is one
 

Dansan

Rookie
Angell TC95 16x19 is the only frame I have not sold off and continue to use. 2020 Ezone 98 wasn't bad but it's missing some feel. Should have not sold the DR98, that was a good one.

2021 VCORE 95 is the next one I'm after.
 
A proper sports doctor is definitely needed however big a gulp it will be for the wallet.
The "gulp" will be a lot bigger and there will be several of them if the condition progresses and requires regular attention for decades. And that is just the physical aspect. Such injuries can take a huge mental toll over the years as well. I have friends who endured rotator cuff issues for years because they ignored them earlier on. Trust me, you will save yourself a life of challenges if you get on top of it sooner rather than later.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
The "gulp" will be a lot bigger and there will be several of them if the condition progresses and requires regular attention for decades. And that is just the physical aspect. Such injuries can take a huge mental toll over the years as well. I have friends who endured rotator cuff issues for years because they ignored them earlier on. Trust me, you will save yourself a life of challenges if you get on top of it sooner rather than later.
Yep for sure. Booked an appointment with my GP so hopefully she can refer me for an MRI scan. If not I’ll go down the private route.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
Tried the CX200 last night. Honestly. Very very good. Took a while to adjust to the racquet itself but in terms of pain, nothing. With the blade, hitting groundstrokes, although I didn’t get pain hitting groundies, I did feel a little bit of tightness the day after. But with the Cx nothing. Could be a possible switch. I’ll see how it goes.
 

isukatennis

Rookie
I’ve tried resting it but hasn’t worked. Longest I tried was the first quarantine we had in the U.K. so that was what, a few months? I’m very upto date on my stringing as well. My strings break anyway within two weeks. The pain only comes when I start hitting first serves. It’s completely fine on every other stroke. I assume it’s because of the much harder contact and shock compared to the other strokes. And I get coaches multiple times a week at my academy too, and my coach hasn’t said anything concerns him with my technique.
I had the same problem a couple of years ago…serves, primarily first/flat serves hurt like hell… It was the hyper extension of my arm on serves that was hurting so I searched for arm sleeves that would limit hyper extension. Found one that baseball pitchers use, was $200 new but I got lucky and found one on **** for $50 that a guy never used. It saved me and allowed arm to heal while still playing. FYI. This is it: https://www.bauerfeind.com/b2c/Spor...F6_Ek1tpu7a5ZYFY-zLojMEIdo2Tc5OkaAu-aEALw_wcB
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
I had the same problem a couple of years ago…serves, primarily first/flat serves hurt like hell… It was the hyper extension of my arm on serves that was hurting so I searched for arm sleeves that would limit hyper extension. Found one that baseball pitchers use, was $200 new but I got lucky and found one on **** for $50 that a guy never used. It saved me and allowed arm to heal while still playing. FYI. This is it: https://www.bauerfeind.com/b2c/Spor...F6_Ek1tpu7a5ZYFY-zLojMEIdo2Tc5OkaAu-aEALw_wcB
Hmmm I’m not too sure actually. Could be a possibility. I haven’t spoken to my coach yet but I’ll ask him what he thinks or if maybe he can spot a flaw.
 

Yamin

Professional
I've got good news and bad news for you. I was a v7 18x20 user for a year now have switched to the clash 98.

The issue is Wilson's free flex or whatever they call in the tech in the v7's. You'll have the same issue with the clash. Once you start serving over 100 the racket stiffens greatly and pulls top end power. You probably notice it on groundstrokes as well. I was fine with slice serves recovering from injury, but once I regained my flat serve I had severe pain in the same area you mentioned by the bicep once I was going for 100+ again. The behavior is much more evident in the clash.

The good news is you can solve it by continuing to suffer through it, or switching to a softer string. This also isn't a "for life" issue. It will get better with rest or standard strengthening.

How long have you had this racket? I would have expected you'd find this out earlier unless you've just suddenly gotten much better (hitting hard flat serves more often), are using a stiffer string, or haven't had too much time with the racket.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
I've got good news and bad news for you. I was a v7 18x20 user for a year now have switched to the clash 98.

The issue is Wilson's free flex or whatever they call in the tech in the v7's. You'll have the same issue with the clash. Once you start serving over 100 the racket stiffens greatly and pulls top end power. You probably notice it on groundstrokes as well. I was fine with slice serves recovering from injury, but once I regained my flat serve I had severe pain in the same area you mentioned by the bicep once I was going for 100+ again. The behavior is much more evident in the clash.

The good news is you can solve it by continuing to suffer through it, or switching to a softer string. This also isn't a "for life" issue. It will get better with rest or standard strengthening.

How long have you had this racket? I would have expected you'd find this out earlier unless you've just suddenly gotten much better (hitting hard flat serves more often), are using a stiffer string, or haven't had too much time with the racket.
Honestly makes complete sense. I’ve heard so many on here go on about how flexible this racquet is but my experience is that it’s one of the most solid racquets I’ve tried. Hits a cannon of a ball. I only got it recently. Like 4 months ago. But also broke my ankle 3 months ago so let’s say used it for a couple of weeks.
 

Yamin

Professional
Honestly makes complete sense. I’ve heard so many on here go on about how flexible this racquet is but my experience is that it’s one of the most solid racquets I’ve tried. Hits a cannon of a ball. I only got it recently. Like 4 months ago. But also broke my ankle 3 months ago so let’s say used it for a couple of weeks.
If you love the racket, do some bicep exercises in the gym and keep going at the serve once it has healed up a bit. Give Hyper G Soft a try at 16l while you recover/strengthen. Plays very well in this racket, control is very good, and can be strung higher up. Still provides some feel too. Doesn't have the spin of the original so don't expect that, but plays very well and I'm confident you'll have the control and comfort you need.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
If you love the racket, do some bicep exercises in the gym and keep going at the serve once it has healed up a bit. Give Hyper G Soft a try at 16l while you recover/strengthen. Plays very well in this racket, control is very good, and can be strung higher up. Still provides some feel too. Doesn't have the spin of the original so don't expect that, but plays very well and I'm confident you'll have the control and comfort you need.
It does his a wicked ball which is very addictive. Im trying the cx200 atm and honestly I think it might be a switch. Giving tones of control and confidence. Ball doesn’t have as much pace as the blade, but then I can just use that too my advantage to swing even harder and know it’s gonna land in, as well as construct points. Can always add weight too. Could just be a honeymoon period too.
 

BenC

Semi-Pro
fwiw I'm a cx200 user and have found them to play well with added weight at/between 10 and 2.
It does his a wicked ball which is very addictive. Im trying the cx200 atm and honestly I think it might be a switch. Giving tones of control and confidence. Ball doesn’t have as much pace as the blade, but then I can just use that too my advantage to swing even harder and know it’s gonna land in, as well as construct points. Can always add weight too. Could just be a honeymoon period too.
 

Blakefan17

Rookie
I've found that when I move my heel pad over on top of bezel 1 it is MUCH more comfortable to slap flat serves. I've done this for a while on kickers, maybe a little closer to eastern BH and it helped me out.

FWIW when I hit volleys etc I move the grip back over to a more relaxed conti grip. Not really sure about nomenclature here (not a pro).
 

Blakefan17

Rookie
Boys and girls. I may have found the one. CX200. Black Widow @47lbs. What a joy this racquet and setup is ( or has been so far). No hint of any pain whatsoever in my arm either for now. Have I found the golden pot and reached the end of the rainbow??!??!
Awesome! Glad to hear that.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
Asked my coach about what he thinks and if there’s any technical flaw or something he might change to my motion for the pain. He said it looks fine to him, and his guess is that it’s just down to lack of strength
 
Well, if you aren't feeling any pain after a decent hit ... except for the usual age related aches and pains ;)... then sounds like you are good to go!

Of course, always remain vigilant and if anything feels abnormal then get it checked out.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
Little update. Played today with a little drizzle and damp conditions. Balls were a bit wet and were heavy. And the pains back as well. Seems like I’m on a knifes edge perhaps. Anything remotely wet or cold and it’s gonna come back. And with winter around the corner, and living in the U.K…….. so frustrating.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Little update. Played today with a little drizzle and damp conditions. Balls were a bit wet and were heavy. And the pains back as well. Seems like I’m on a knifes edge perhaps. Anything remotely wet or cold and it’s gonna come back. And with winter around the corner, and living in the U.K…….. so frustrating.
Time to find an indoor court near you.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
I have a tender arm. Blade 98 16x19 feels amazing. Sounds amazing. Produces a wicked ball. Lacks control though considering I can’t go too high in tension with my arm. Currently at 50lbs and I can’t hit first serves otherwise my pain will start. VCPHD awful. Doesn’t feel right at all. Wretched RF97 destroyed my arm. Pro Staff 95 2012 doesn’t suit poly, and multi poly hybrid lacks spin and bite. Control and feel is wonderful. Maybe I could try swinging poly very very low. Like low 40s. Newest pick up is the CX200 tour. Currently at stringers. Could it be the one?????? Who knows. My bank account sure hopes so.
If it hasn't been suggested already, go to the 18X20 Blade and use softer 18G poly's.
 

Anton

Legend
I have a tender arm. Blade 98 16x19 feels amazing. Sounds amazing. Produces a wicked ball. Lacks control though considering I can’t go too high in tension with my arm. Currently at 50lbs and I can’t hit first serves otherwise my pain will start. VCPHD awful. Doesn’t feel right at all. Wretched RF97 destroyed my arm. Pro Staff 95 2012 doesn’t suit poly, and multi poly hybrid lacks spin and bite. Control and feel is wonderful. Maybe I could try swinging poly very very low. Like low 40s. Newest pick up is the CX200 tour. Currently at stringers. Could it be the one?????? Who knows. My bank account sure hopes so.
Got lead?
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
If it hasn't been suggested already, go to the 18X20 Blade and use softer 18G poly's.
Thing with the blade that’s put me off is that it just feels stiff. Even with groundies my arm didn’t hurt, but I could feel something. But with the cx200 or the pro staff 95 I haven’t felt anything. I’m really enjoying the cx200 though.
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
Same here. Cos I am cheap.
But those cold/wet/snowy winter days/nights, indoor courts are the only option. Lol
Yep. I prefer it too. Much more fun. Academy of course has indoor as well so I’m good there. And the tournaments are also indoor. It’s just the uni matches that aren’t. Which is where I’m gonna be playing for most of the year from now.
 
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esm

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Yep. I prefer it too. Much more fun. Academy of course has indoor as well so I’m good there. And the tournaments are also indoor. It’s just the uni matches that aren’t. Which is where I’m gonna be playing for most of the year from now.
sounds good - all the best with the matches
 
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socallefty

Legend
Oh my. I guess I don’t need to see a doctor anymore. Jokes aside thanks a bunch. But what you’re saying makes sense. The physio I went to did give me a couple of excercises which were linked to the bicep and tricep area but they haven’t worked. A proper sports doctor is definitely needed however big a gulp it will be for the wallet. A proper checked and look is needed, and dealt with sooner rather than later. Like you said I don’t wanna be debilitated for life with this. Sounds scary can’t lie.
Have you seen a doctor yet to see if it is a rotator cuff injury?
 

MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
Have you seen a doctor yet to see if it is a rotator cuff injury?
Not in person. Had a online consultation and described what’s happening, and they said it sounds like something with muscles and so was asked to try ice packs, and then ibuprofen gel and see how I fare. So far not so good.
 

socallefty

Legend
Not in person. Had a online consultation and described what’s happening, and they said it sounds like something with muscles and so was asked to try ice packs, and then ibuprofen gel and see how I fare. So far not so good.
Sounds like a NHS GP. You probably need to find an orthopedic doctor who is used to treating tennis players, particularly juniors.
 

Deeyo

New User
I have a tender arm. Blade 98 16x19 feels amazing. Sounds amazing. Produces a wicked ball. Lacks control though considering I can’t go too high in tension with my arm. Currently at 50lbs and I can’t hit first serves otherwise my pain will start. VCPHD awful. Doesn’t feel right at all. Wretched RF97 destroyed my arm. Pro Staff 95 2012 doesn’t suit poly, and multi poly hybrid lacks spin and bite. Control and feel is wonderful. Maybe I could try swinging poly very very low. Like low 40s. Newest pick up is the CX200 tour. Currently at stringers. Could it be the one?????? Who knows. My bank account sure hopes so.
Vcore pro 97hd! I have some for sale lol.
 

weaksauce

New User
If it isn’t an issue with your body, physical therapy, technique, strings, tension, or swingweight, then maybe try an Angell. Check out the various options and feel free to email the maker with any questions. Otherwise, I would just demo anything you like from TW. Hope you find “the one” or at the very least resolve your arm issues
 
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MasterZeb

Hall of Fame
If it isn’t an issue with your body, physical therapy, technique, strings, tension, or swingweight, then maybe try an Angell. Check out the various options and feel free to email the maker with any questions. Otherwise, I would just demo anything you like from TW. Hope you find “the one” or at the very least resolve your arm issues
Thank you. Cx200 seems okay for now. I’m gonna give it another shot and see if it gives me any pain again or not in those sorts of conditions. Dry, it’s perfect. Just when it gets cold or heavy.
 
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