pfrischmann
Professional
Sorry if I missed it. I did a search and found nothing. Does anybody have the specs for the Pure Aero Tour yet?
Any Specs on the Pure Aero Tour Yet?
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Karma Tennis
Legend
Nothing official yet from Babolat.
Some European language web sites are reporting the Tour version will have static weight of 315 grams (unstrung) and be one to two points more Head Light than the Pure Aero.
If those specs are close then the Tour version will certainly have a significantly higher Swingweight than the Pure Aero ... probably in the region of 340 to 360. If the stock SW ends up being around 340 to 345 it will make the Tour version very customisable for higher end players.
JonnyAbs
Semi-Pro
I don't think it will be that high karma. I agree with Nemo and have been saying 335 for a little while now. I think the plus will be around that too. If you look at the PD, it has a SW of 317 and the Tour is 327. If you apply the same logic to the Aeros, they would be 327 and 337. Although I don't think they will match up exactly like that, it will probably be close.
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
I have used the Aero Tour about 10 hours now and it is much more solid in the overall feel compared to the 300 gram Pure Aero version. It actually feels very much different from the lighter 300 grams version. Have you tried any pro-stock frame? The tour feels like a pro-stock version. More exclusive and solid.
JonnyAbs
Semi-Pro
Enlighten me on what "pro-stock" means...? I used to use Aerogel 4D 200 Tours and the GSP, which is almost 12 ounces. I think the Pure Aero Tour will be cool, and I will definitely try it. I just think that the 2013 APD needed a Tour version more than the Pure Aero. Maybe I will feel differently when I log some more time with it. However, a 327 SW will probably be more than enough for 95% of players and some lead tape could help the other 5% who need some more weight.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
... *If* you're ok with the balance and twistweight of the frame ...
Karma Tennis
Legend
"Pro Stock" usually means a racquet that has been designed and manufactured specifically to a particular individual tennis player's requirements.
You're probably right about the Tour SW being in the 335 region. Though I wouldn't be surprised to see it closer to 340. I would be very surprised if it ends up being 345 or higher.
pfrischmann
Professional
I guess I'll have to wait and see. I was hoping one of the new iterations would have more stability for volleying. I'd think adding a leather grip to the aero pure might add enough weight to get it there. 10pts of added SW is a big change from the previous version, a needed one if you ask me. I'm not sure 335+ SW is going to work for doubles. That puts it up into RF-97 range, although not nearly as heavy. My RF-97 came out to 12.9 0z fully dressed..too much.
jayserinos99
Hall of Fame
If you've hit with the Pure Drive Tour or Roddick, can you tell me if the Pure Aero Tour is basically in the same lineage as the Pure Aero but with a more solid feel and more plowthrough?
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
It feels more muted then Tour / Roddick and nowhere near as "hollow" and "plastic" in the feel. It´s way more solid feel overall and it feels like you can crush the ball with this frame. Very solid on serve and return but i feel you have to hit the ball and not only push. If you are lazy, stepping of the gas and are not swinging through, these kind of shots, the ball very easy sails very very long
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pfrischmann
Professional
Hi Hank,
Does this translate into more stability on volleys? This is where the aero line has always fallen short for me, especially the last version. I switched to the PS-97 for that reason, more stability in the hoop.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Were you using the 2013 APD is stock form? We found that by adding static weight to the 2013 APD to bring it up to 340g strung it was much more stable overall. Better serving stick, and more pop and stability on volleys while retaining good maneuverability.
pfrischmann
Professional
I've used both the 2013 and the GT. I added about 4g of lead at 2 and 10 to both. The 2013 was unusable as a volleying stick in stock form. Even leaded up, I don't feel it's as stable as a PS-97.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Can't really comment on the GT but an extra 8g in the hoop of a 2013 APD probabaly isn't enough to make a significant difference to the stability for volleys.
We found putting at least 10g in the handle and another 8 to 10 in the hoop was much better for volleys and it enhanced the performance significantly on ground-strokes, serving, and especially return of serve against hard hitting opponents.
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
pfrischmann
Professional
IIRC, Stock that racquet is 300 grams. Your mids would put it at 320 without strings and like 345ish with strings. With an overgrip and dampner, I'd bet that comes out to 12.4+ ounces and depending on where you put the lead in the hoop, 330+ SW
pfrischmann
Professional
mods..not mids
Karma Tennis
Legend
Stock racquet unstrung can be anywhere from 293g to 307g and still within spec. So say 300g. Add 20g of lead to go to 320g. Add 15g for string to 335g. Add Babolat VS overgrip 4g to 339g.
Don't add "Vibration Dampeners" because they don't do anything except change the sound of the string when the ball hits them. If you really must, then reduce amount of weight in the hoop to compensate. SW will end up anywhere between 320 and 340 depending on where you put the weight in the hoop.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
The Tour may be very similar to Nadal's specs then based on that RA, just lower SW so majority of players can use it.
Federerkblade
Hall of Fame
It just gets too heavy with an over grip . be nice to find one around 325g an aero pure tour . with the correct sw and flex
JonnyAbs
Semi-Pro
Great info! 323mm = 12.72 inches, so the racquet is a little more than 6 points HL. I thought I was set on the Pure Aero, but with basically the same SW, and just a bit heavier but more HL, I will without a doubt have to try this when it comes out!
stronzzi70
Professional
Nice catch !!
Federerkblade
Hall of Fame
Need some more reviews on pure aero tour
JonnyAbs
Semi-Pro
Pretty cool, but their specs are weak. No SW or balance listed. Thankfully Jester was able to provide some info...
Strange they sell the Pure Aero first in US, and the PAT first in Europe. Is it a subtle dig that Yanks are punnier?
Nevertheless, I too will pass on the PA and wait for the PAT.
Georgo
New User
Should have been in stock by now, but it is not on sale anymore at the moment as it seems.
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
I tested the PAT and PA at the same practice 2 days ago and used them back and forth during 2 hours.
For me and my game the PAT was superior. The lighter PA felt almost like a junior frame after testing the PAT. The PA feels faster through the air but the twist-weight is to low for me and i did not have the stability i wanted with the PA. The PAT is crushing the ball, feels more solid at impact and also a bit more controlled.
What I did straight after practice was to customize the PA to exactly same specs as the PAT i have and that means unstrung weight of 322 grams and that includes 2 Yonex Super Grap overgrips. Balance 31.1 cm with 2 overgrips installed. I will try the customized PA tomorrow in a league match and see how it plays. Hopefully it´s much more to my liking.
For me and my game the PAT was superior. The lighter PA felt almost like a junior frame after testing the PAT. The PA feels faster through the air but the twist-weight is to low for me and i did not have the stability i wanted with the PA. The PAT is crushing the ball, feels more solid at impact and also a bit more controlled.
What I did straight after practice was to customize the PA to exactly same specs as the PAT i have and that means unstrung weight of 322 grams and that includes 2 Yonex Super Grap overgrips. Balance 31.1 cm with 2 overgrips installed. I will try the customized PA tomorrow in a league match and see how it plays. Hopefully it´s much more to my liking.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Almost exact same specs as the new Extreme Pros. Wonder how they will match up? I find the Extreme Pro to be a better frame, at least for me. But I have not tried the Pure Aero Tour.
prosealster
Professional
Any more update on this frame?
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
If my memory serves me correct I injected about 9 grams of silicone and 8 or 9 grams of lead in total. It was a long stripe going almost from 3 around to 9 on each side to distribute the weight evenly.
I am very satisfied with the result. I used it in a league match last weekend with good result and on yesterdays practice I started using the customized pure aero. Then after a side change i picked up the tour, but not intentionally. I thought i picked up the customized frame and did not see i had taken "wrong" racquet until next side change. So I am pretty happy with the result of the customization
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
I am asking myself the very same question! I will test more before I make the decision. The difference is very small in any case and it will not make any difference for my tennis if i play tour or customized version.
I think the silicone made the 300 gram version play more like the solid tour, compared to if i would have installed a leather grip to gain weight. I must also add that I use size 3 and then 2 overgrips on top of the stock grip. I like the softer feel that this creates
Karma Tennis
Legend
Hank, Thanks again for your comments. They are proving very valuable to us.
Noting that you use Size 3 grip with 2 overgrips. We find with the 2013 APD, using two overgrips (even the very thin Babolat VS ones) makes an already round handle even rounder. A size 4 grip with 1 overgrip offers acceptable bevel definition for us. Do you think the PA handle is sufficiently beveled to handle 2 overgrips without changing the handle shape much? Or do you prefer a more oval rounded handle shape anyway?
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
I like the grip rounder. I tried some pro-stock Head´s with finest calfskin and one overgrip (yonex supergrap) and when hitting back to back from baseline it is good, but when i am stretched out wide i dont get the right "feel" in some strange way and it feels to firm and harsh. I like to have a soft response ouut in the corners. It goes back all the way to 2008 when i used the Pure Storm Tour carbon xtreme in size 3 with 2 overgrips. Played great tennis with it and have used two overgrips in periods since then. When i look back at my best results its always when i use two overgrips. Of course it must be a mental thing. Like a comfort zone in some way that works for me
I dont have any APD2013 at hand so i cant compare right now with the Pure Aero and i did not use the APD2013 that many times so i cant even remember the grip shape of it. Never really connected with the APD 2013
Georgo
New User
Interesting question and answer in the Bonjour From Babolat topic (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/bonjour-from-babolat.447810/page-105):
So the PA Tour version seems to only be a customised PA if that is correct.
So the PA Tour version seems to only be a customised PA if that is correct.
dgoran
Hall of Fame
I suspected that and that's why I asked...usually they just add 15 grams to their tour/ roddick offering and call it a day
prosealster
Professional
That's disappointing i was hoping the tour would have more flex
Georgo
New User
Those are rather overpriced 15g if everything else is the same
Hankenstein
Hall of Fame
I have one PA Tour at home and two of the regular Pure Aero. I have customized both pure aeros to exactly match the tour-specs. I have added about 8 grams of silicone and a total of 8 grams of lead (1 * 4 gram stripe from 9 to 3 on both sides) and they play very similar to the Tour. Only thing i feel is a slightly higher swingweight with the customized frames. Must be that the weights are more polarized in the customized version and more spread out over the entire frame in the tour version. Flex is in my opinion same, maybe that the customized version feels a little notch more flexy in the upper part of the frame, but it could again be the placement of the lead.
Main thing though is that the tour and tour specs pure aero plays MUCH better the the standard aero. It is much more solid, less vibrations and plays a heavier ball. Super solid on volleys, block returns and serve bombs.
I have played with pretty much all Babolats in the past, Control, Storm, Pure and AeroPro drives, Strike and new Controls, and this new Pure Aero is the frame that improves my game the most. Really enjoy playing with it!
Main thing though is that the tour and tour specs pure aero plays MUCH better the the standard aero. It is much more solid, less vibrations and plays a heavier ball. Super solid on volleys, block returns and serve bombs.
I have played with pretty much all Babolats in the past, Control, Storm, Pure and AeroPro drives, Strike and new Controls, and this new Pure Aero is the frame that improves my game the most. Really enjoy playing with it!
RanchDressing
Hall of Fame
Sounds like the twist weight is a bit lower if you feel the stability of the tour+weight at 3/9 is the same as the 15 twistweight non tour. That's good news. But I want to see the numbers before I ever consider them. Thanks for your input!
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Doesn't surprise me that the Tour specs plays better. I was on and off with Tweeners until I switched to the heavier Extreme Pro. Should be pretty much the same exact weight as the AeroTour. The extra weight makes a difference. Of course the high twistwight of over 15 for me is what makes the frame even better.
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