Any way to build up grip without adding weight?

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  1. JackB1

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    What is the best way to build up a 3/8 to a 1/2 without adding all the weight that a shrink sleeve does? Should I just use an extra overgrip? What does that add? About 5-7 grams? I don't want to mess with the pallet, since it's a Yonex. I would like to find something I can put or wrap on top of the grip to make it 1 size larger without adding too much extra weight. I was thinking maybe those double sided foam-type strips that 3M sells?

    Anyone got any ideas?

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    best bet is over grip, it addes the least weight.
    no such thing as no weight gain, this makes racquet more head light also.
     
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    Which overgrips are the lightest?
     
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  4. magnut

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    I would punch hole in the grip sleeve before you shink it. That sould get you half way there. You could pull some weight off the butt cap. Maybe go with a little lighter grip/overgrip combo.

    I tend to just put the shrink sleeve on and bring all the other racquets up to that spec. Does it make a difference if one racquet is 10 grams heavier in the handle.........not a real huge noticable difference when your life is on the line or your trying to win a tournament with $100,000 prizes winnings.

    Its fun to tinker with this stuff though. But I wouldnt stress over it. If your going to use a build up sleeve (I do all the time) make sure you get a 4 1/2 size butt cap. Another good tip is...once you have the grip and butt cap stripped down spray some liquid adhesive on the handle.
     
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    You would have to punch an awful lot of holes to get rid of half the weight. Overgrips are only going to build up your grip about 1/16 so you would need two to go from 3/8 to 1/2. Then you will have the same weight as a heat shrink tube. You could add just a half tube in the lower portion of the racket where you dominate hand holds the racket.

    You could also cut an overgrip cut into a 1/2" strip and wind it opposite your grip wrap direction with no overlap. Maybe even a small gap. Two of those will build it up. Then if you leave a small gap between the overgrip the replacement grip may even it all out. If you don't go up too far this should do the trick with the lightest weight.

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    Gause tape works pretty well to. I dont know what kind of weight you would be looking at. If you do this and have any overlap you can use a steam iron and it will both flatten and harden it out and keep your bevels nice and sharp. I have done this over top of leather grips in the past and it works great. Never weighed it after the fact though. I would gues it would be lighter as the unique gauze tape is sort of a mesh type material.
     
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    Seems like a half-size shrinkwrap + overgrip is easier to maintain than two overgrips and less trouble than multiple wrap layers, and it would only be a couple ounces heavier in the handle than the multiple layers.

    Or, if you like the double-overgrip feeling, you could try a WHATaGRIP (slip-on overgrip) as the "base" layer.
     
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    Oh I forgot about whatagrip. Those were neat. Nice original concept. I need to order a few of those. I remember I tried one in high school and I like it.
     
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    Do they still sell those? I would think one of those "whatagrips" would weigh more than an extra overgrip???
     
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    You think guaze tape weighs less than overgrip? I might give that a try.
    You mean just the run of the mill johnson and johnson type they sell in the supermarket in the bandaid aisle?
     
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    Irvin, you always think "out of the box" :)

    A base overgrip wrapped in the opposite direction with a gap, would lessen the overall weight and would still maintain the same thickness if your next overgrip on top of that goes "accross" it in the usual direction.
     
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    I dont know I never weighed it after putting it on. I am just saying its less dense. The difference would probably be pretty small.

    The Gauze tape I am speaking of from experience is sold at unique sports. I think they sell the whatagrips too. I am not sure if TW carries this stuff. There is probably not a big enough demand for it.

    anyways...both are good products. I am not sure you can find an equivilant at a drug store. Gauze tape has a tackiness to it and the density is not like athletic tape. Its similar to Gauze but the tackiness helps to mold it. People used to use it as an overgrip back in the old days.
     
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  13. Hominator

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    Whatagrips totally kill bevel feel, FYI.
     
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    There are some suggestions using tapes (athletic tape is a good choice) under the base grip. For me since that's too troublesome, I just put 2 overgrips with notes on the first layer grip:
    1. Apply without any overlapping because overlap will make final grip quite messy, yet slightly add more grams.
    2. Try to have hard and thick one (I assume no overgrip is thicker than base grip), because double overgrip will make your grip very soft and thin overgrip won't affect much.

    Then the second (outer) grip is applied in normal way.

    So far, my 4 1/4 feels close to 4 3/8, but still there's difference.

    2 cents.
     
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  15. magnut

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    I never had that problem. I use leather though. Fluffy grips are like a sweat sponge for me.
     
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    What's a hard and thick overgrip?
     
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    Heat shrink. Use a half size over your replacement grip and your favorite overgrip on top of that. If you just use a half length of that you will have lower weight.

    Irvin
     
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    Why not add weight

    Also since you are adding weight to the handle and not the head of the racket any weight you add will not be as noticeable. I would just add a heat shrink tube and not worry about the weight. That is unless you have another racket and you want to keep them matched up. Then there are ways to change that too.

    Irvin
     
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  19. magnut

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    Listen to Irvin
     
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    I never thought that would give naughty impression. :oops:

    What I wanted to say is that try to find an overgrip that is not too soft that will make the final grip too cushiony (except if you like it that way), and because overgrip is usually very thin that makes little change, having thick overgrip is preferable. I can't recommend any brand (there're too many on my place), but it seems cheap overgrip that isn't quite elastic will do the trick.

    I never use heat-shrink as a grip before, but I think it's worth try.
     
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    Balsa wood (1 mm thick) will be the lightest that's workable, as far as I tried. The grip size will be slightly larger than 1/8" up though. An additional benefit is the sharper edge than overgrip (which you normally need two layers for 1/8" larger size).
     
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  22. Ronaldo

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    Easily the best solution for a grip that is better than the original pallet. Sharper bevels and more comfort.
     
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  23. goran_ace

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    Agreed. The change in static weight/swingweight will not be a big deal.
     
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  24. vsdtrek

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    I just bought a Yonex and changed the grip to a Gamma Hi Tech. That increased the size over the stock Yonex grip. I swear that Yonex grip is the thinnest one I've ever seen - I replaced one once with a Babolat Skin Feel and the Skin Feel felt larger.
     
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    Were u able to remove the Yonex grip easily? I heard they were a huge pain to remove.
     
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  26. Torres

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    Er, don't listen to Irvin.

    Adding 22g in the handle makes an enormous difference to the way that the racquet feels, balances and swings. If I added that amount of weight to my 6.1 95, it would be unplayable. It just wouldn't feel right, the balance would be all wrong, and the head would feel too loose through the swing. Counterbalancing simply wouldn't be an option as the racquet would end up feeling like a overweight log of wood with the wrong sort of weight distribution.

    The only way you could get away with adding 22g in the handle of a racquet is if you had an ultra light racquet to begin with and which you could +22g and then counterbalance.
     
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    I actually added a Wilson overgrip, which only weighed 3 grams.
     
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    Sell your racket(s) and buy it(them) in a larger grip size.

    Not the cheapest, but the best solution.
     
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  29. vsdtrek

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    It did come off pretty good and quickly.

    I have had some in the past that were a mess but perhaps that was because they were a bit older.
     
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  30. goran_ace

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    If you do go this route, keep in mind that some small shops only keep 4 3/8 in inventory and if you want anything bigger they just add a sleeve. So if you are going to buy from one of those places make sure to ask if they do that.
     
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  31. CopolyX

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    one RAB shrink tube and one thicker replacement grip .
    or just one thicker replacement grip and a thicker overgrip ..
    be damn close..may even improve comfort...
     
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  32. Ronaldo

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    Here Wilson makes an Air grip. Must be the lightest option
     
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  33. Dso

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    That's odd. I wrap mine tight so I usually trim them a tad and mine are still about 5 grams.
     
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  34. Geoff

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    The best option to accomplish the objective/question of the OP in my opinion is to remove the old handle and have a new handle put on. Unfortunately it is the most expensive option and not one that can be easily or readily done unless you have a racquet like Head, Angell or Volkl (am I missing one?).
     
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    I know someone who has done it with popsicle sticks. I don't know the details, but the result looked pretty good.
     
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  36. Shroud

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    Measure the handle then actually put on an overgrip. Now measure and its more than 1/16 and depending on the grip and how you wrap its closer to 1/8 or a whole nother size. Actually measure.

    Even the thinest og (some bab one) pulled super tight was almost 1/8
     
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  37. Crocodile

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    Most over grips will add around 5g to the weight of the racquet, but since that weight is being added to the handle, it should be an issue and it's not that much anyway.
     
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  38. zalive

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    What I do is replace the original grip with Wilson Hybrid Comfort grip weighs just 10-10.5 grams trimmed, then add overgrip (5 grams). Total weight is 15 grams, which is still a normal weight for a typical original grip and size has increased. However some racquets do have pretty light basic grips of around 12-13 grams, so you can only get couple of grams less.
     
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  39. Irvin

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    I use Gamma Supreme OG and they are pretty thick, actually they are .01" thick. If I double that I will increase the width of a handle .02" if the grip is wrapped around the handle. Pi times the .02" diameter gives me a circumference increase of 0.625" and I usually have an overlap so the circumference increase is 0.125" which is 1/8".

    When a grip is wrapped it should be wrapped so the grip groes around the handle in the opposite direction of the fingers of the player. So you actually gripping the high spots on the racket. Math does not prove out your theory. I still think playing an over grip under the replacement grip with no overlap stretched tight will build up the grip by 1/16". Maybe a thin one is almost the same thickness and a full one I'm not sure but theyt're lighter. Because there is no overlap I would suggest putting the OG under the grip.
     
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  40. robbo1970

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    This thread was 5 years old, I'm pretty sure the query got resolved.

    I'm pretty sure all of the thickness measurements and weights are in the Other Equipment section.
     
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    Math pales in comparison to actual measurements and well there is a thread that shows math that explains its 1/8". I will see if i can search for it
     
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    https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/overgrip-thickness-confusion.468860/#post-8196028
     
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    Those sound like fighting words to me. LOL Granted I did cheat a little in my actual measurements. The Gamma Supreme grips were 0.012" and I rounded them down to 0.01" because I though that was close enough and the grips did have the protective cellophane on them. I did use a digital micrometer though which I find to be quite accurate. But your picutres almost prove the same thing that I said.
    If there is no overlap you will build the grip up 1/16" or 1/2 size and if there is an overlap you will build up the grip a full size 1/8". Here are some pictures I took myself showing a bare grip, no overlap, and a normal wrap. Notice the grip builds up in about 1/16th inch increments, and remember I rounded down from 0.012" to 0.01" so the actual measurements will be a little greater. YMMV depending on the amount of overlap, the pressure used to wrap the grip, and the grip used.
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    Also not using any overlap will cut down on the length of grip that needs to be used and the added weight. You can play around with different grips and wrapping to get pretty much what you want. But one thing is for sure anything you add to the grip to make it a little bigger (other than replacing the pallet) will make the grip rounder and the racket heavier unless you take off a heavy grip and replace it with a light one of the same thickness.
     
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    Wait, doesnt that show an 1/8" increase with no overlap??
     
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    There is exactly 1/16" build from no overwrap to normal wrap and a little over 1/16" from no grip to a single wrap. I can stretch the grip and make it 1/16" both ways I bet.
     
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  46. DonDiego

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    I've done a Phd in this...

    Your best bet is balsa wood (or other rolls of thin wood sold in hardware store which have a glued side) + Yonex replacement grip (or Wilson comfort hybrid but they don't make them anymore I think.) A usual replacement grip is 15-22 grams (weight yours). Balsa wood adds 5-6 grams and Yonex grip 10-11 grams. You'll get one size up with this combination, without adding one gram of weight, and without "rounding" the handle. All done in less than 20 min.

    You can also use pallets. You'd be surprised to know a lot of pallets fits on other company's sticks. But it would help knowing what is the racquet you plan to tinker with.
     
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  47. Irvin

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    @DonDiego besides knowing how many tennis players it takes to change a light bulb what does philosophy have to do with building up a tennis grip. LOL Now if you have an Sc.D. I'd listen to you.
     
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    I have a Tecnifibre 300 T-Flash racket with a 1/4" grip I want to build up to 1/2". I took the the foam pallet off and found in between the twin tubes in the handle there was a grove about 1/4" wide. Inside that grove on each side were 'metal like" 3/16" wire / rod glued in the grove. After removing the foam pallet and the metal like rods the racket weight dropped 43 g. I was thinking of ordering a 1/2" pallet and installing it on the racket. I'm pretty sure I could get the grip built up to 1/2" without adding any weight and even lower the weight but doubt I will. Just to get the balance, total weight, and Recoil Weight where I want it I will probably have to fill the grove with silicone and or add some silicone inside the handle.
     
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    I've got some questions out now to see if a Mantis' pallet will fit my hairpin. Does anyone know the dimensions of a Mantis hairpin? If they don't work I make just use some 1 gallon paint stir sticks from Home Depot. They are 1/8"X11" and 1/8" thickness is almost exactly what I need for a build up.
     
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