Any way to know if your old racquet is still solid?

RiverRat

Professional
Is there any test one can perform or examination to determine if a racquet is still fit for play? I'm planning to return to competitive tennis next summer at the age of 56 and still use my trusty iPresitge MPs from 2001. I had a total of three summers during the last 20 years where I played roughly 10 hours per week. Other than those summers I hit sporadically with a few people, but nothing too intense. I was a DI scholarship player who played with power back in his heyday, but no longer play with such power. I have never abused my racquets. Is there a way to determine if my racquets suffer from micro-cracks or if my head has lost stiffness?
 

TennisManiac

Hall of Fame
Older frames will always have tons of stress fractures within themselves. And they will become more flexible as time goes on. But they will always be playable. Just obviously not quite as powerful. But to answer your question in regards to whether or not there is a way to measure stress fractures. There is not. If they still feel good to you and you feel confident using them. Use them.
 

esm

Legend
You can always visually check for any cracks/paint damages/grommet cracks and damages etc.
also, it’d be wise to restring, just to make sure you have a fullbed of fresh string to protect all joints.
good luck and have fun, the iPrestige MP is a great racquet.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
There is only one way, but the results will be questionable. Measure the RA of the frame and compare it to manufacturer's original spec. The iffy part if whether the original specs were achieved or out in left field. :eek:
 

RiverRat

Professional
There is only one way, but the results will be questionable. Measure the RA of the frame and compare it to manufacturer's original spec. The iffy part if whether the original specs were achieved or out in left field. :eek:
So I did a little searching and there is an RDC machine and some home setups that seem to measure throat stiffness, but not head stiffness, which I think would receive the most stress. I guess if I can play with them, I should assume they're OK. Maybe toward the end of next summer I'll do some demoing and consider other frames. Thanks everyone! I'll continue to read thread, so if anyone else has some helpful tips...
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
Is there any test one can perform or examination to determine if a racquet is still fit for play? I'm planning to return to competitive tennis next summer at the age of 56 and still use my trusty iPresitge MPs from 2001. I had a total of three summers during the last 20 years where I played roughly 10 hours per week. Other than those summers I hit sporadically with a few people, but nothing too intense. I was a DI scholarship player who played with power back in his heyday, but no longer play with such power. I have never abused my racquets. Is there a way to determine if my racquets suffer from micro-cracks or if my head has lost stiffness?

Just take the time to relearn your limits. You will have muscle memory which might tell you you can do things which you can no longer do. So play in mostly low gear to work the kinks out and to learn you knew limits. I would likely restring the racquets and play with them. See if you need something with a little more free power etc. Another option is to just buy a racquet with a little extra pop, play with it until you recondition.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
The most objective way is really to string them up with the same string and tension, make sure all the specs are balanced to your preference, then go to a Playsight or similar court, or even a radar gun like the pocket radar, or Bushnells or something like that, and hit 20 bounce balls on the forehand and overheads and check the average speed and speed. Sure the spin calculation is extrapolated and estimated with Playsight types, but beats anything human. Mind you the drop isn't like 20mph or anything like that. I'm talking about 2-3mph less at worst for a 2 year old racquet. I'm guessing those newer video tracking apps on the phone will give some estimation as well, however much less accurate. For me that's the best way. Beats RDC which tests flex at 2 points, or "gut" feeling.
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
The most objective way is really to string them up with the same string and tension, make sure all the specs are balanced to your preference, then go to a Playsight or similar court, or even a radar gun like the pocket radar, or Bushnells or something like that, and hit 20 bounce balls on the forehand and overheads and check the average speed and speed. Sure the spin calculation is extrapolated and estimated with Playsight types, but beats anything human. Mind you the drop isn't like 20mph or anything like that. I'm talking about 2-3mph less at worst for a 2 year old racquet. I'm guessing those newer video tracking apps on the phone will give some estimation as well, however much less accurate. For me that's the best way. Beats RDC which tests flex at 2 points, or "gut" feeling.

Problem is the OP doesn't have a baseline to compare. They are coming back after lets say a decade of not playing.
 

Sardines

Hall of Fame
The solution is the same He can get a demo racquet of what is equivalent 20 years later and compare? He's trying to verify if the racquets are viable and if he should replace them. Comparing new and old is comparing results. in essence, which can help determine if he should change racquets based on ball speed alone.
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
The solution is the same He can get a demo racquet of what is equivalent 20 years later and compare? He's trying to verify if the racquets are viable and if he should replace them. Comparing new and old is comparing results. in essence, which can help determine if he should change racquets based on ball speed alone.

At some point it tends to become too many variables... Not sure if he is looking if they are viable or wondering if it is missing out on power he should have. To me a racquet is viable if you enjoy playing with it...if you are competing viable may be are you playing close to your peak potential. Likely he just wants to know how close they are to original condition and how much wear they have compared to new. My guess is the racquets should me ok with new string. It would be best to look at hours played in this case. Still I think he might be better off with a new racquet which is maybe a little bit more friendly to his current playstyle.

Likely he could then just demo a new racquet with a partner and ask for feedback. Assuming it is not obvious which racquet he played better with...not against data driven methods just not sure it is required. Right now he is likely playing for enjoyment so to me the only measure that maters is when he plays does he have fun. If he wants an excuse to get a new racquet that is fine, but considering he plays for a few months then tends to stop for a few years... Why not just string the racquet and play...If he feels he needs extra power and less flex buy a new racquet. If he is completely happy just keep going.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
It doesn’t matter if you play well with them still, including hitting serves at the speed you are used to. If not, you might consider demoing racquets. Make sure you put a fresh string job on them though.

I know players who played after a break fo several years with old strings and then wondered why their shots were so erratic.
 

Vicious49

Legend
So I did a little searching and there is an RDC machine and some home setups that seem to measure throat stiffness, but not head stiffness, which I think would receive the most stress. I guess if I can play with them, I should assume they're OK. Maybe toward the end of next summer I'll do some demoing and consider other frames. Thanks everyone! I'll continue to read thread, so if anyone else has some helpful tips...

That would be my recommendation. There's no good way to compare a used 20 year old racquet to what it originally would have been.
 

jxs653

Professional
"Three racquets for three summers" sounds like they are still fine and it is a little too much worry. Like to mention that even when substantial portion of graphite is missing in the head because of repeated court brushing (that is, really worn out physically), the racquet is totally playable.
James Blake preferred his old broken-in frames, stress-micro fractures and all, to new ones.
So did Del Potro, I read.
 
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Sardines

Hall of Fame
As a former D1 player and returning to competition, and not merely recreational play, the very fact you are asking if your frames are viable insinuates you are wondering if you should get new sticks. Anecdotal evidence on face value is spotty. Blake and Del Potro have been mentioned for those "kept" using their racquets for the professional careers, which for Blake is 14 years and Delpo a little bit less than that. Anyone who hit at higher level will tell you racquets can break with use, especially after 4-5 years of professional training.
I think the better example for you is how many senior former pros do you see using the sticks from their peak 20 years ago? Even Roger Federer has upgraded from the stick twice, from the PS85 he used as a 17 yr old, and he's a professional athlete with as much talent as anyone else, if not more. There are players who feel they are at the pinnacle of their prowess won't be changing racquets because they want the feel. I'm pretty sure it's more the psychological factor of having to change to something that feels foreign enough that they can't get their head around. James Blake was battered around post 2008, even though he still had his speed and athleticism. Cos the flexy racquets slowing his game down a few mph have kept him from losing to players? We'll never know now.
Coming back into competition and prepping means you'll be hitting a lot, it's a great time to find a stick that allows you to swing the same and maybe give you a few RPMs and mph age has taken away from you, while working less hard. I was stubborn like that, and stuck with the PS90 waaayyyy too long, but I could get replacements that were 95% similar. One time, I played 3 3 set 2.5+ hrs singles matches in 2.5 days against guys 10-15 years younger than me, and I was hurting from having to hit out so much. The next week I started searching for 95s and went with 6.1 95 16x18, and while I wasn't accustomed to the new stick, I physically could play hard longer cos I wasn't working as hard. The extra 3-6% of pace and spin, especially on serve, made a significant difference.
I'm not advocating you switch every 2 years, but after 20 years of service, I think it's worthwhile considering, if budget isn't an issue. This is from 1 former D1 player to another! ;)


Is there any test one can perform or examination to determine if a racquet is still fit for play? I'm planning to return to competitive tennis next summer at the age of 56 and still use my trusty iPresitge MPs from 2001. I had a total of three summers during the last 20 years where I played roughly 10 hours per week. Other than those summers I hit sporadically with a few people, but nothing too intense. I was a DI scholarship player who played with power back in his heyday, but no longer play with such power. I have never abused my racquets. Is there a way to determine if my racquets suffer from micro-cracks or if my head has lost stiffness?
 
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RiverRat

Professional
Let me just clarify a bit for folks. I have been playing nearly every day for the last 4 months. I can't bang serves at 120 anymore and I can't move like I did. That's all the fall-off I've had. 30 years of playing sporadically with three intensive periods is a lot of tennis learned. I was a serve and volleyer when I was young, which meant I didn't have to hit great groundstrokes. I actually hit groundstrokes now better than I did at 20, although not with the same pace I'm sure.

I appreciate everyone's feedback. I'm going to play with these sticks through the winter and will demo new racquets at the end of next summer.
 

RiverRat

Professional
I know players who played after a break fo several years with old strings and then wondered why their shots were so erratic.
I was a racquet stringer for a college team when I was in high school and for pros while still in college. I've been active on the string forum and experimenting extensively with polys, which didn't exist when I was competitive last, at tensions that are 30 pounds less than some of the highest I've used. My guess is those guys who used old strings were neither active on a tennis forum nor playing for four months. Still I appreciate the caveat.
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
There is only one way, but the results will be questionable. Measure the RA of the frame and compare it to manufacturer's original spec. The iffy part if whether the original specs were achieved or out in left field. :eek:

Especially if it's a Wilson their flex rating tolerance is probably like 10 points.
 

lazywombat

New User
Is there a way to determine if my racquets suffer from micro-cracks or if my head has lost stiffness?
There's no way to determine that, but it's not necessarly a problem. The racquet should play well even with micro-cracks and small loss of stiffness. I play with 15 years old stick and it feels just slightly less crisp than i remember it playing when brand new. As long as groomets aren't cracked inside holes and you don't hear rattling sounds or feel vibration on off center shots that wasn't there before, it's all good.
 

1HBHfanatic

Legend
@RiverRat
-dont sweat the small stuff
-change the strings, change the grips!!, and hit the courts with your trusted frames
-while you are out there, look at the oncoming/outgoing racquet models
-right now its a good time to check out the head.radicals ,(new 2021 head.radical pro/mp) new models coming this January
-the 2020 head.prestige sticks are nice!!
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Why do you play tennis? To have a good time or to win matches? If it is the first reason and you are happy playing with your old sticks, no reason to change them. If you play for the second reason ask if you are winning enough to be happy and if the answer is yes, no reason to change them. If you play to win matches and you feel that you are not winning enough, time to demo new sticks.

No one else can make this subjective recommendation for you. Whether your sticks are as good as new anymore (they are not) is really not relevant to what you are getting out of them in terms of tennis enjoyment.
 

anarosevoli

Semi-Pro
I would test them against a new Graphene360+ Prestige, ideally with the same string that the tester comes with. They will and should be different but it will make the decision easy. If you play better with the old ones, they are 99.9% o.k. If you play better with the new one it doesn't really matter if the old ones are damaged or just not as good for you.
 

RiverRat

Professional
Why do you play tennis? To have a good time or to win matches?
It has to be both. I'm on the comeback trail. It's subjective to answer if I'm winning enough. It's going to take time to re-reach my competitive level, and there are going to be lots of ups and downs. I was really trying to get a sense whether others felt I was hampering myself with these old racquets. I sense I am not. I'll continue to experiment with strings and play my first summer with these racquets. Then I'll demo and see whether a change is in order.
 

esm

Legend
I was really trying to get a sense whether others felt I was hampering myself with these old racquets. I sense I am not.
I think you have answers your own question now. (Prior to your demoing in the future..)
but you are right, experiment with different strings and see. Also I’d a good idea to have a sort of twneer racquet in the bag for the rainy days. Lol
 

Lorenn

Hall of Fame
I think you have answers your own question now. (Prior to your demoing in the future..)
but you are right, experiment with different strings and see. Also I’d a good idea to have a sort of twneer racquet in the bag for the rainy days. Lol

When I lasted purchased raquets (end of summer this year) I came to the same conclusion. I switched from the Radical LM to Gravity Pro. I then added the Speed MP as a backup tweener racquet. Mainly because it was fun to play with....I expect I will pick up a Radical Pro 360+.
 
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