Any word of Fed's actual injury or surgery?

[HunterST]

It seems like Federer and his team prefer not to reveal the actual injury he has and what surgery he will undergo because everything I see has just referred to it broadly as "surgery."

I believe his first knee surgery was arthroscopic for a meniscus tear, which is a pretty mild procedure as far as surgeries go. I'm guessing this is more invasive. Still, I can't imagine it's an ACL tear or he wouldn't have been able to compete at all. I'm guessing it's an injury somewhere between these two.

Has anyone heard any whisperings or know enough to deduce what it probably is?

 

[Rosstour]

No and the vagueness is tripping my BS alarm.

 

[Raul_SJ]

It seems like Federer and his team prefer not to reveal the actual injury he has and what surgery he will undergo because everything I see has just referred to it broadly as "surgery."

It is very unfortunate that Fed has been extremely secretive about his alleged Wimbledon injury and the exact details of his surgeries. Just come out and say it. Meniscus? Partially torn ACL? Whatever the hell it is. Stop beating around the bush. There is zero reason to hide the details at ths point, in the waning years of his career.

Revealing the details would be a great public service to millions suffering similar issues.

Has anyone heard any whisperings or know enough to deduce what it probably is?

That is exactly the problem. His evasiveness has left people to speculate.
Compounding the confusion is the fact that he now says he was injured during Wimbledon after insisting he was "just fine" after Wimbledon QF bagel, when everybody on the planet knew there was an injury.

 

[Yugram]

No and the vagueness is tripping my BS alarm.

Federer in one sentence

 

[NoleIsBoat]

No and the vagueness is tripping my BS alarm.

What are you suggesting ?

 

[yossarian]

Partially torn ACL?

Again, I know your googling skills are lacking, but if you took 5 seconds you know you don’t repair a partially torn ACL. The only thing you can do is reconstruct it like a full ACL tear, which would take 9 months to a year to return to play

OP, could be a meniscal repair. Usually takes about 4-6 months to heal, which puts him at the start of 2022

 

[ollinger]

Revealing the details would be a great public service to millions suffering similar issues

LMAO

 

[Raul_SJ]

No and the vagueness is tripping my BS alarm.

He insisted his body was "just fine" after Hurkacz Wimbledon bagel, when everybody on the planet suspected an injury. Now he says he injured it at Wimbledon. Pick and choose whatever you want.

 

[Terenigma]

 

[Jokervich]

Why did he even play RG? All those long rallies in the Koepfer match would have messed up his knees unnecessarily.

 

[Raul_SJ]

Wonder if Fed is undergoing some revolutionary new miracle knee procedure?

 

[Terenigma]

Why did he even play RG? All those long rallies in the Koepfer match would have messed up his knees unnecessarily.

Agree 100% knows his best chance is at Wimbledon, plays a couple of rounds at RG and goes on to have a bad loss at Halle and get bageled at Wimbledon. Oh well.

 

[socallefty]

Federer is surgically removing millions of dollars from the accounts of Uniqlo, Wilson and other sponsors with his active player endorsement contracts while not playing too many matches in two years. That’s the only surgical detail I know of

 

[Raul_SJ]

Still, I can't imagine it's an ACL tear or he wouldn't have been able to compete at all. I'm guessing it's an injury somewhere between these two.

This is plausible. A partially torn ACL which would take a year to recover from.
Somebody can confirm the timeline but we believe he was out from March 2020 to March 2021... This certainly appears to be something beyond meniscal procedures.

 

[Jokervich]

Agree 100% knows his best chance is at Wimbledon, plays a couple of rounds at RG and goes on to have a bad loss at Halle and get bageled at Wimbledon. Oh well.

Yeah. No chance of him winning RG ever again. Should have pulled out once he saw he would have to go through both Djokovic and Nadal to win the tournament. He's certainly made some strange decisions since coming back from his knee surgery.

 

[stringertom]

This is plausible. A partially torn ACL which would take a year to recover from.
Somebody can confirm the timeline but we believe he was out from March 2020 to March 2021... This certainly appears to be something beyond meniscal procedures.

Here, let’s try to educate y’all a little bit:

February 2016 (age 34.5): fedr undergoes meniscus surgery and does not return to play for three months. Then, after getting back (probably too quickly) he is able to play only 18 matches before reinjuring the knee and shutting down play for six months.

FAST FORWARD to 2020 (4 years later): fedr (age 38.5) suffers another similar injury to the opposite knee. A pandemic breaks out and play is suspended while he rehabilitates. During training he has a setback and requires a second procedure. Out until age 39.7.

Again, maybe he’s guilty of trying too much too soon and, sadly, he has another setback. The guy obviously loves to play and compete if he is still out there a decade longer than some of his rivals from his early days. However, experience is teaching him he has to be more patient this time around. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and again while expecting different results.

The condition of his knee is his own business and he will let y’all know when he’s damn well ready to share the details. It is not a public duty as much as y’all cry about it.

 

[yossarian]

Here, let’s try to educate y’all a little bit:

February 2016 (age 34.5): fedr undergoes meniscus surgery and does not return to play for three months. Then, after getting back (probably too quickly) he is able to play only 18 matches before reinjuring the knee and shutting down play for six months.

FAST FORWARD to 2020 (4 years later): fedr (age 38.5) suffers another similar injury to the opposite knee. A pandemic breaks out and play is suspended while he rehabilitates. During training he has a setback and requires a second procedure. Out until age 39.7.

Again, maybe he’s guilty of trying too much too soon and, sadly, he has another setback. The guy obviously loves to play and compete if he is still out there a decade longer than some of his rivals from his early days. However, experience is teaching him he has to be more patient this time around. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and again while expecting different results.

The condition of his knee is his own business and he will let y’all know when he’s damn well ready to share the details. It is not a public duty as much as y’all cry about it.

Dr. Raul is changing fields and entering orthopedics now. We are very proud

 

[stringertom]

Yeah. No chance of him winning RG ever again. Should have pulled out once he saw he would have to go through both Djokovic and Nadal to win the tournament. He's certainly made some strange decisions since coming back from his knee surgery.

You’re omitting some key details:

1. He tried his first comeback at Doha Bo3 in mild climate conditions with the ambition to follow that up the next week in Dubai. It was a well thought out path to a return but the knee wasn’t right so he bailed on Dubai and obviously wasn’t ready for a long trip to the last HC tournament in Miami.

2. After Miami, the tour shifts to clay. Where would you have had him play except on clay? A Challenger in Asia?

Ljub, Luthi and Paganini did the best they could do by delaying to the last part of May to get fedr much needed match play at Geneva/RG. After just four matches on clay it was pretty obvious he was undercooked in terms of matches played entering Halle/Wimby. Those three matches vs Ivashka, FAA and Mannarino was the roughest patch of grass play from him ever.

If he had injured himself at Geneva or RG it wasn’t apparent. IIRC, he took a bit of time after the Koepfer match to announce the withdrawal so perhaps he did feel some twinge the next day. There was no indication that night though.

I disagreed at the time with his decision to quit before 4R. Playing another round and facing Berrettini’s big serve could have actually helped him later on the grass.

I think he soldiered through about four matches with the problem probably arising from a couple of spills vs Mannarino. I know it was the Frenchman who took the worst fall and had to retire but the usually nimble fedr was also struggling to stay up w ell before the end of the fourth set. One spill looked pretty awkward and I remember was slow motion fodder for ESPN at the time. An hour or two later it was Serena pulling up and out so the footage of both of their troubles with the footing was the headlines of the day.

Anyway, between being pretty advanced in age for surgery/rehab and not being thoroughly flexible schedule wise due to circumstances beyond his control, his falls on slippery grass weren’t the only awkward motions to go through. In a perfect world, there would be no 2-week quarantines that made it rough on family man fedr to go to Oz. Then he could have played and tested his knee earlier and then made the move to be ready for HCs when he wanted to instead of having to choose clay just a month before Wimbledon.

 

[HunterST]

Here, let’s try to educate y’all a little bit:

February 2016 (age 34.5): fedr undergoes meniscus surgery and does not return to play for three months. Then, after getting back (probably too quickly) he is able to play only 18 matches before reinjuring the knee and shutting down play for six months.

FAST FORWARD to 2020 (4 years later): fedr (age 38.5) suffers another similar injury to the opposite knee. A pandemic breaks out and play is suspended while he rehabilitates. During training he has a setback and requires a second procedure. Out until age 39.7.

Again, maybe he’s guilty of trying too much too soon and, sadly, he has another setback. The guy obviously loves to play and compete if he is still out there a decade longer than some of his rivals from his early days. However, experience is teaching him he has to be more patient this time around. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and again while expecting different results.

The condition of his knee is his own business and he will let y’all know when he’s damn well ready to share the details. It is not a public duty as much as y’all cry about it.

Agree he doesn't have to say the injury. I'm more just trying to gage how hopeful I can be for a return.

 

[stringertom]

Agree he doesn't have to say the injury. I'm more just trying to gage how hopeful I can be for a return.

Age 40, fourth knee surgery in 4.5 years; probability is low but modern medicine and rehabilitation sciences have improved so it’s not as much a reach as it would have been even a decade ago.

 

[Georgepeppard007]

 

[gjm127]

2 words: Silent Ban

Finasteride (Propecia) as a hair loss treatment is an ATP banned substance and Fed must have been caught trying to keep whatever hair he has left to avoid having to look like Rafa.

 

[ttwreader]

It's Mirka punishing him to kneel for whatever reason she's not happy with. So his knees were fine after Wimbledon but they're bad now.


(j/k)

 

[T007]

Again, I know your googling skills are lacking, but if you took 5 seconds you know you don’t repair a partially torn ACL. The only thing you can do is reconstruct it like a full ACL tear, which would take 9 months to a year to return to play

OP, could be a meniscal repair. Usually takes about 4-6 months to heal, which puts him at the start of 2022

He will return if possible around March 2022. play few tournaments and test his knee...Skip clay season and go for a full swing Grass season.

All this is possible if he can rehab quickly.

 

[T007]

Here, let’s try to educate y’all a little bit:

February 2016 (age 34.5): fedr undergoes meniscus surgery and does not return to play for three months. Then, after getting back (probably too quickly) he is able to play only 18 matches before reinjuring the knee and shutting down play for six months.

FAST FORWARD to 2020 (4 years later): fedr (age 38.5) suffers another similar injury to the opposite knee. A pandemic breaks out and play is suspended while he rehabilitates. During training he has a setback and requires a second procedure. Out until age 39.7.

Again, maybe he’s guilty of trying too much too soon and, sadly, he has another setback. The guy obviously loves to play and compete if he is still out there a decade longer than some of his rivals from his early days. However, experience is teaching him he has to be more patient this time around. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and again while expecting different results.

The condition of his knee is his own business and he will let y’all know when he’s damn well ready to share the details. It is not a public duty as much as y’all cry about it.

Very aptly summed up.

 

[Keizer]

Imo, this is the end of the line but I think he’ll aim to return for a couple tourneys next year (Halle, Wimbledon, Basel) before calling it a day.

 

[T007]

He insisted his body was "just fine" after Hurkacz Wimbledon bagel, when everybody on the planet suspected an injury. Now he says he injured it at Wimbledon. Pick and choose whatever you want.

Cos he doesn't want to ruin the victory credits of his opponent like Djokovic always does when he is losing or gets outplayed.

 

[socallefty]

Does anyone know why Federer is still playing on tour? Without knowing that, it is impossible to debate if he is doing the right thing or not. His hardcore fans seem to think that if he carefully manages his schedule in some magical way, he can still win Slams and anything less is a failure. I would speculate that the reason is more likely money, love of the game or some mundane reason like that rather than realistically wanting to win Slams.

 

[yossarian]

Does anyone know why Federer is still playing on tour? Without knowing that, it is impossible to debate if he is doing the right thing or not. His hardcore fans seem to think that if he carefully manages his schedule in some magical way, he can still win Slams and anything less is a failure. I would speculate that the reason is more likely money, love of the game or some mundane reason like that rather than realistically wanting to win Slams.

“Likely money”

You’re insane. He has more than enough money

If he comes back, it’s because he enjoys being a professional tennis player and still believes he will be able to compete

 

[terribleIVAN]

Here's what a famous orthopedist had to say yesterday (from the tennis news site that shall not be named):


"As a knee specialist, it's a worrisome injury. Going under the knife more times isn't necessarily better.

At this point, it's likely not something minor, like a torn meniscus, but arthritis and articular cartilage damage, which tends to occur over time.

If the arthritis and wear and tear are very advanced, it is not something that can be fixed with arthroscopy: perhaps it can be treated with regenerative surgery.

Your knee may feel better, but will he be able to compete at the level he wants, especially in a time of so much physical wear and tear and with younger rivals and with more energy than him?"


The main words here are "regenerative surgery" which means stem cells.

I've told you guys Fed's waiting for his implanted stem cells to mature, but refuses to peep a word about it.

 

[aman92]

This is plausible. A partially torn ACL which would take a year to recover from.
Somebody can confirm the timeline but we believe he was out from March 2020 to March 2021... This certainly appears to be something beyond meniscal procedures.

If it's a partially torn ACL he can forget about playing tennis competitively again.. You don't come back from ACL injuries at 40

 

[Raul_SJ]

The main words here are "regenerative surgery" which means stem cells.

Cartilage cannot regrow. Some experimental studies ongoing but it is on the level of getting people to walk comfortably again. Nothing close to playing high impact pro tennis. That is madness. But it might be the "glimmer of hope" he is talking about.


Still best to simply come clean on the exact issue instead of leaving his fans in the dark like a selfish ingrate.

Researchers find method to regrow cartilage in the joints

In laboratory studies, Stanford School of Medicine researchers have found a way to regenerate the cartilage that eases movement between bones.

med.stanford.edu

 

[socallefty]

If it is cartilage damage and knee regenerative surgery he is doing, maybe he should give the clinic at John’s Hopkins a call.

Cartilage Regeneration Clinic

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[terribleIVAN]

Some experimental studies ongoing but it is on the level of getting people to walk comfortably again. Nothing close to playing high impact pro tennis. This is madness. But it might be the "glimmer of hope" he is alluding to.

You nailed it.

Fed's surgeons tell him one thing (being able to walk comfortably again) but Fed hears something else (being able to compete) and nobody dares telling him the harsh truth.

He's so obsessed with records he will hang to every glimmer of hope surgeons suggest to him out of the realm of theoretical possibilities (in order to please him).

Murray's the same, although much younger, so he has an excuse.

 

[InsideOut900]

Again, maybe he’s guilty of trying too much too soon and, sadly, he has another setback. The guy obviously loves to play and compete if he is still out there a decade longer than some of his rivals from his early days. However, experience is teaching him he has to be more patient this time around. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and again while expecting different results.

Fed waited a year, played 2 matches, then waited another 2 months after that before playing on clay.

If that's defined as too much and too soon then yeah, he ain't coming back.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

“Likely money”

You’re insane. He has more than enough money

If he comes back, it’s because he enjoys being a professional tennis player and still believes he will be able to compete

He has four kids. He needs time away from the family.

 

[stringertom]

Dr. Raul is changing fields and entering orthopedics now. We are very proud

A virolorthopedic specialist…mend your joint and keep you walrus negative in one easy visit.

 

[ForLoveOfTheGame]

Here's what a famous orthopedist had to say yesterday (from the tennis news site that shall not be named):


"As a knee specialist, it's a worrisome injury. Going under the knife more times isn't necessarily better.

At this point, it's likely not something minor, like a torn meniscus, but arthritis and articular cartilage damage, which tends to occur over time.

If the arthritis and wear and tear are very advanced, it is not something that can be fixed with arthroscopy: perhaps it can be treated with regenerative surgery.

Your knee may feel better, but will he be able to compete at the level he wants, especially in a time of so much physical wear and tear and with younger rivals and with more energy than him?"


The main words here are "regenerative surgery" which means stem cells.

I've told you guys Fed's waiting for his implanted stem cells to mature, but refuses to peep a word about it.

Regenerative more likely knee replacement or a full cartilage replacement like NuSurface.

 

[Goosehead]

Here's what a famous orthopedist had to say yesterday (from the tennis news site that shall not be named):


"As a knee specialist, it's a worrisome injury. Going under the knife more times isn't necessarily better.

At this point, it's likely not something minor, like a torn meniscus, but arthritis and articular cartilage damage, which tends to occur over time.

If the arthritis and wear and tear are very advanced, it is not something that can be fixed with arthroscopy: perhaps it can be treated with regenerative surgery.

Your knee may feel better, but will he be able to compete at the level he wants, especially in a time of so much physical wear and tear and with younger rivals and with more energy than him?"


The main words here are "regenerative surgery" which means stem cells.

I've told you guys Fed's waiting for his implanted stem cells to mature, but refuses to peep a word about it.

or that "nu-surface implant" artificial meniscus (if thats his new injury) option.

 

[Russeljones]

No and the vagueness is tripping my BS alarm.

You're right. He is on an intensive HGH cycle, hoping to be clean by the time he gets back. If not, he can always get a TUE citing his bogus knee issues. But don't tell anyone.

 

[terribleIVAN]

Actually, growth hormone DOES regenerate healthy, hyaline cartilage !

Look it up.

 

[MeatTornado]

A Federer injury thread predictably filled with the best and brightest TTW has to offer.

 

[junior74]

Fraud's fake injury, made up to retroactively smooth over his loss to Hurkacz who would have won 10+ slams in any other era?

No, only heard what Fraud said.

Without all these injuries, who knows? If only his parents were in the pharmacy business...

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

You're right. He is on an intensive HGH cycle, hoping to be clean by the time he gets back. If not, he can always get a TUE citing his bogus knee issues. But don't tell anyone.

In all seriousness he should get on the most sophisticated cocktail he possibly can and return like a cyborg.

 

[sureshs]

Some of you are hinting that the injury is fake. What reasons do you have for that?

 

[Raul_SJ]

Some of you are hinting that the injury is fake. What reasons do you have for that?

Some of his hapless fans are speculating because Fed has been extremely vague and unforthcoming. The greater question is why he does not simply reveal what his injury is and when exactly did it happen and exactly what type of surgery he is planning that will leave him out for at least several months with only a "glimmer of hope" of ever returning to ATP.

The selfish Fed is being very inconsiderate to his hapless fans. All they want is the truth. Just give them the truth.

 

[Red Rick]

A Federer injury thread predictably filled with the best and brightest TTW has to offer.

Meatmeat when meeting the surgeon before the operation

 

[Raul_SJ]

Fed waited a year, played 2 matches, then waited another 2 months after that before playing on clay.

If that's defined as too much and too soon then yeah, he ain't coming back.

LOLOLOL. Two matches a year.
And StringyTom thinks that rigorous Fed schedule might be overdoing it.

 

[Goosehead]

Actually, growth hormone DOES regenerate healthy, hyaline cartilage !

Look it up.

always good to have a few options.
imagine if the year was 1760. "oh dear is your knee giving you aggro again ?..how's about we just saw off the leg just above the knee. job done".