Anyone can give me a clue how the seeding is updated?!?!

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by hlkimfung, Mar 28, 2004.

  1. hlkimfung

    hlkimfung Semi-Pro

    Mar 10, 2004
    I am lost. Couple weeks ago I ask why Joachim Johansson need to play the qualifing for Indian Wells, he was ranked 50 and his Memphis title come 3-4 weeks before that.

    someone answer me they go back 48 days, then he was still rank in the 90s. Okay, fair enough.

    But now for Miami, Hewitt ranked 8 two weeks ago, couldn't defend the IW title and drop to 18, then the ranking is IMMEDIATELY UPDATED and he's seeded 17 in Miami

    Does different event got different policy for how long to go back to decide the seeding?
  2. Max G.

    Max G. Legend

    Feb 18, 2004
    My guess is that seedings and acceptances get decided at different times.

    They have to decide who to accept into the tournament several weeks in advance - hence, Joachim Johansson didn't get into IW directly.

    But the seedings are decided when they make the draw, a day or two before the start of the tournament - so they can use up-to-date rankings.

    That's just a guess though - it would make sense, but I'm not sure.

    Just my 2 cents.
  3. Fee

    Fee Legend

    Feb 19, 2004
    In front of my computer, obviously
    What Max wrote is correct. You are talking about two different things here - 'direct entry' and 'seedings' In the case of a Masters Tournament, the direct entry list is based on the Entry Rankings List 42 days before the beginning of the tournament. For Miami and Indian Wells, 79 players get direct entry, which usually means the players ranked #1 - #79. If a player notifies the tournament that he will not play, the next player in line on that same list (#80) gets direct acceptance. This happened in Indian Wells when about 6 players on the direct entry list opted out and 6 more players had to be added in to the draw. Those players that do not get direct entry have to enter the qualifying to fill 12 more spots in the draw and there were 5 wildcards given at both tournaments.

    Seedings are based on the absolutely most current rankings at the time the draw is made. The ATP updates rankings on Sunday night/Monday morning, and the Miami draw was made on Monday afternoon, so it used the most current rankings to seed players for this tournament.

    For the next three masters (Monte Carlo, Hamburg and Rome) the draw is 64 and I believe 52 players get direct entry. I think Monte Carlo has its player list up already. You can see old Entry Rankings lists at Hope this helps.

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