Anyone else feel like Medvedev is the next gen's version of Murray?

ductrung3993

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Well, not quite similar or "evolutionary" enough to be called Murray 2.0, but overall has a similar counter punching, making you miss, movement-heavy style.

Main differences for me:

Murray:
- better tactician (he might be one of the best ever, even when I don't like Murray much)
- better touch, feel, variety
- has a more "constant", gradually increasing or conventional, textbook attack style.
Medvedev:
- main strength = his awkwardness and unpredictability (that's why he can gave Djokovic more trouble than most)
- attacking pattern is usually sudden. would lure you into a sleepy rhythm then go for a powerful finish all of a sudden

Medvedev is younger, so also more "risky" style of play and sometimes can be said to have more balls than Murray. Double edged sword though
 
ductrung3993

ductrung3993

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Strangely enough, I only realized this while watching Medvedev vs Wawrinka now. Both Med and Murray frustrate Wawrinka the same way by just using his own pace to bounce the ball back. If Wawrinka is playing well, he'd beat both but more often, Stan would get impatient and go for less likely winners, resulting in errors.
 
Benben245

Benben245

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More like the next davedenko, Murray's talent was absolutely absurd, the sw he could wield to his endurance etc. But he was soooo defensive, despite all the evidence suggesting he should press more. Its sad, I sound like he is dead and in many ways, he never lived
 
Booger

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ghostofMecir said:
Medvedev’s serve at that height...just not good enough. That alone would give him a chance to be #1 right now and it’s the same as ever.
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He couldn't even abuse old man Stan's weak sauce chip return. Pretty weak, given his high ranking.
 
ghostofMecir

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Benben245 said:
More like the next davedenko, Murray's talent was absolutely absurd, the sw he could wield to his endurance etc. But he was soooo defensive, despite all the evidence suggesting he should press more. Its sad, I sound like he is dead and in many ways, he never lived
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Davydenko had GOAT ball striking skills. He was such a beautiful striker of the ball. Medvedev is just awkward, looks unhappy and wastes his 8 foot height and serves like ****. Sad, really.
 
BeatlesFan

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Med would be fortunate to have Andy’s career. He’s the inferior player with inferior mental resilience. That can change, but there’s no guarantee of that. He may have a fat Dave or Davydenko type of career.
 
ductrung3993

ductrung3993

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Benben245 said:
More like the next davedenko, Murray's talent was absolutely absurd, the sw he could wield to his endurance etc. But he was soooo defensive, despite all the evidence suggesting he should press more. Its sad, I sound like he is dead and in many ways, he never lived
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Nishikori.
 
ibbi

ibbi

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Similar. Both guys have that passive style, but have proven on occasion that when they have to/want to they can flip the switch and become aggressive, and it sort of frustrates as to why they don't do it more regularly.

On the mental level Medvedev has already catapulted past where Murray was at this age/stage in his career. Only took him one major final to win a couple of sets, took Sir Andy five of them to win that many!
 
mightyrick

mightyrick

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I still think Medvedev is the next ATG. However, I don't see him at Murray level yet.

The big weakness in Medvedev's game that I've talked about for months... is the lack of willingness to come to net to finish points. I think Medvedev's career is going to be decided on this single thing.

If he continues to stay behind the baseline after pulling opponents wide, he will be slam-less. If he comes forward after pulling opponents wide, he's going to win more slams than Murray.
 
Lleytonstation

Lleytonstation

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ductrung3993 said:
Well, not quite similar or "evolutionary" enough to be called Murray 2.0, but overall has a similar counter punching, making you miss, movement-heavy style.

Main differences for me:

Murray:
- better tactician (he might be one of the best ever, even when I don't like Murray much)
- better touch, feel, variety
- has a more "constant", gradually increasing or conventional, textbook attack style.
Medvedev:
- main strength = his awkwardness and unpredictability (that's why he can gave Djokovic more trouble than most)
- attacking pattern is usually sudden. would lure you into a sleepy rhythm then go for a powerful finish all of a sudden

Medvedev is younger, so also more "risky" style of play and sometimes can be said to have more balls than Murray. Double edged sword though
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He had every chance to be, but he blew it.

That one summer I honestly thought he was going to be a borderline ATG like Murray.

Turns out he didnt have half of Murrays career.
 
nolefam_2024

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Murray's problem is he could not flatten out the fh.
Style Counterpunching : Uses backhand as well as Forehand slice a lot. Plays inside baseline but not attacking, plays outside baseline but very defensive. Good first serve. Bad second serve. Incredible return. Great at the net.

Meddy's problem is he plays too flat.
Style Aggressive baseliner : Backhand very flat and deep. Bad backhand slice but FH always topspin. Plays inside baseline attacking. Plays outside baseline attacking. Good first serve. Good second serve. Good return. Bad at the net.

One guy played defensive despite having most of good things in his game.
Other guy played aggressive despite having many holes in his game.
 
nolefam_2024

nolefam_2024

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mightyrick said:
I still think Medvedev is the next ATG. However, I don't see him at Murray level yet.

The big weakness in Medvedev's game that I've talked about for months... is the lack of willingness to come to net to finish points. I think Medvedev's career is going to be decided on this single thing.

If he continues to stay behind the baseline after pulling opponents wide, he will be slam-less. If he comes forward after pulling opponents wide, he's going to win more slams than Murray.
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This is very good comment aside from the atg part.
Meddy biggest issue is he is very uncomfortable at the net.
 
Djokodalerer31

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Not even close! Medvedev wishes he was even half as good as Murray, as far as achievements and numbers are concerned he is not even half way through to match his CV! He has three times less slams, almost twice less masters, never even came close to winning medal of ANY sorts in singles (much less winning gold one twice!), reached almost twice less slam finals, spent more than twice less weeks as #1 and never finished the year as the best player of the season even once, additionally has won twice less overall career titles! And looking at the trajectory his career path has taken it doesn't seem like things will pick up, unless Sinner and Alcaraz both will get injured and even with that i wouldn't count entirely on Medvedev to assume the role of the temporary leader of the tour in their absence, even in this hypothetical case scenario i can still see him choking a lot in crucial moments of the season to players, who he should on paper easily outclass...so no, Medvedev is not this era's Murray, at absolutely best he is Cilic/Del Potro tier!...I predict that Mainad now will like this comment, when he sees one, Haha!
 
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