I agree, I think it's a terrible, terrible event. I suppose it's great for the cities like Boston where there are no top level tennis tournaments to be able to see the world's best players but it's not covered at all in the sports news here while the Ryder Cup is extensively. No one cares about it really...
Anyone else feel uncomfortable about Laver Cup?
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Deleted member 771911
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I don’t know. It’s not my job to know that. Or waste time thinking about it. But you’d think it would be in the ATP and the tournaments interest to have some kind of strategy or know how.
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
It’s nearly impossible. Just like how smaller tournaments in China never garnered much local interest.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
EllieK
Hall of Fame
we met several people who knew next to nothing about tennis but went because it was in their home town. A couple of guys said they had fun anyway and had come away appreciating it.
Bubcay
Legend
How does this equal in your mind? One is a tournament, the other players association. Honestly do not get your comparison.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
I agree with what you said ..
But If Novak wants a level playing field and Establishments doesn't want that ,then Novak is having good intentions .
Establishment hating Novak doesn't have to do with Novak being a D1ck and Roger being classy or charismatic .
Establishment will always choose those who are on their side .
It's like either one supports establishment or one doesn't
I am not even judging anyone as good or bad here .
And I am not even defending Novak here ( bcoz PTPA needs to do lot of work before they can get credit ) ..
Certain Community in our country didn't even had the right to drink water from Public ponds .
Establishment and their followers loved watching the community suffer . They still do .
Rich Establishment always loves the suffering of peasants .
Glory belonged to him who fought for the community and snatched the right of drinking clean water for a Community from public ponds !
Oh damn that's a huge stain on his legacy then. Your favourite can't win a world tour final to save his life and has been #2 more than #1 but at least he has won Laver Cup matches.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
How do you think it would have gone in the 1990s? At this time in 1995, by ranking, these would have been the teams:
Team Europe
Thomas Muster
Boris Becker
Yevgeny Kafelnikov
Goran Ivanisevic
Thomas Enqvist
Sergi Bruguera
Marc Rosset (alt)
Team Rest of the World
Andre Agassi
Pete Sampras
Michael Chang
Jim Courier
Wayne Ferreira
Todd Martin
Patrick McEnroe (alt)
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Slicehand
Guest
i do feel kind of unconfortable with people being unconfortable
Mustard
Bionic Poster
14-1 is the most one-sided by a mile. Previous scores were 15-9 in 2017, 13-8 in 2018 and 13-11 in 2019.
Sunny014
Legend
Yeah, people who fight for weak are not seen in good light. Even if you are from a weak community you shall be hailed if you do the bidding of your betters, even there limits are there as to how much you can rise, everyone wants to see you do good, just not better than them, thats the world we live in.
In the real world I feel Novak was disliked in the beginning because he came across as confident and outspoken, remember when he beat Fed at Montreal 07 then he said Roger you cannot win all the tourneys, you have to leave something for us as well. This sort of statement would not have gone down well with Roger who has a massive ego. On the other hand if you see Nadal, right from 04-05 Nadal had a very intimidating body language on the tennis court, but after the Match Nadal is soft spoken, shy and does not do any taunting or anything, so this must also have helped Nadal's image build up when he was new. He was beating Fed at Miami and still he was looking humble off the courts.
Federer was extremely intimidating on the court because he was far more talented than anyone and he is an extrovert as well, so he is outspoken even outside the court. In his prev gen nobody was as good as him, even Agassi was humbled by Roger and in his gen he crushed everyone who was dominant before him (Safin & Hewitt), so Fed was absolute Alpha
In Nadal's case he was extremely intimidating on clay, not quite so on other turfs as Fed was still ruling there, so Nadal compensated that by being very bumble
Fed probably didn't mind that and liked Rafa. Novak arrives and he is confident of his abilities, Fed is pissed off, he probably thought "This punk is of Rafa's gen and Rafa has achieved so much more than this punk and Rafa is respectful towards me, why is this fellow so much outspoken and confident before even winning ?? "
So you see, this might have soured their relations ...... That's my guesss
Am I right @pj80 @Hitman or is there any more theory to this rivalry on how Fed and Novak started disliking each other right from 2006 itself while same Nadal despite his intimidating presence of clay was like by Federer as early as 05 ???
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Rosstour
Talk Tennis Guru
If you're measuring hubris, one is miles beyond the other.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Now that would be tasty, but really it would be USA vs The World really.
With the teams I posted above, I still think Europe would win in a European location, especially on clay. I'd love to see how Agassi would deal with Muster and Becker. Agassi didn't deal with Muster well in the 1990 Davis Cup semi final, and Becker was winding Agassi up bad in 1995.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Yeah, people who fight for weak are not seen in good light. Even if you are from a weak community you shall be hailed if you do the bidding of your betters, even there limits are there as to how much you can rise, everyone wants to see you do good, just not better than them, thats the world we live in.
In the real world I feel Novak was disliked in the beginning because he came across as confident and outspoken, remember when he beat Fed at Montreal 07 then he said Roger you cannot win all the tourneys, you have to leave something for us as well. This sort of statement would not have gone down well with Roger who has a massive ego. On the other hand if you see Nadal, right from 04-05 Nadal had a very intimidating body language on the tennis court, but after the Match Nadal is soft spoken, shy and does not do any taunting or anything, so this must also have helped Nadal's image build up when he was new. He was beating Fed at Miami and still he was looking humble off the courts.
Federer was extremely intimidating on the court because he was far more talented than anyone and he is an extrovert as well, so he is outspoken even outside the court. In his prev gen nobody was as good as him, even Agassi was humbled by Roger and in his gen he crushed everyone who was dominant before him (Safin & Hewitt), so Fed was absolute Alpha
In Nadal's case he was extremely intimidating on clay, not quite so on other turfs as Fed was still ruling there, so Nadal compensated that by being very bumble
Novak arrives and he is confident of his abilities, Fed is pissed off, he probably thought "This punk is of Rafa's gen and Rafa has achieved so much more than this punk and Rafa is respectful towards me, why is this fellow so much outspoken and confident before even winning ?? "
So you see, this might have soured their relations ...... That's my guesss
Am I right @pj80 @Hitman or is there any more theory to this rivalry on how Fed and Novak started disliking each other right from 2006 itself while same Nadal despite his intimidating presence of clay was like by Federer as early as 05 ???
I have read this somewhere ..
I first incident that started the Fed-Novak fight was Davis Cup in 2006 ..
Novak and Stan Wawrinka had a match in which Novak took a medical time out .
Federer criticised Novak alot back then , and Novak was like 18 year old .
This obviously didn't go down well with Srdjan !
The rest is history
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Slicehand
Guest
just like in real life!Now that would be tasty, but really it would be USA vs The World really.
Sunny014
Legend
I have read this somewhere ..
I first incident that started the Fed-Novak fight was Davis Cup in 2006 ..
Novak and Stan Wawrinka had a match in which Novak took a medical time out .
Federer criticised Novak alot back then , and Novak was like 18 year old .
This obviously didn't go down well with Srdjan !
The rest is history
Yup
Srdjan must have felt like a parent in school who sees a class 10 student bullying his young son in class 2 who is just a small child
That anger is justified.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Yup
Srdjan must have felt like a parent in school who sees a class 10 student bullying his young son in class 2 who is just a small child
That anger is justified.
Roger Federer's 2006 feud with Novak Djokovic turned nasty
Roger Federer lashed out at Novak Djokovic after Switzerland’s Davis Cup tie against Serbia back in 2006.
www.express.co.uk
read this
BayAreaBooster
Rookie
Everyone of these players has earned it, working their *** off, so to speak. They are the very best otherwise they would not have gotten the invitation. Anyone in the ATP tour can make it if they are willing to work as hard assuming they have the same talent/skill set (Karatsev is a case in point).
So rather than say divisive things such as haves and the haves-nots, how about simply acknowledging the players participating in the Laver Cup are the very best (or close to) in their chosen profession. And the market forces (supply vs demand) are at work in terms of who plays, who gets the invite etc.
On another note, your language reads like the standard playbook used by you know who to divide people based on their success, gender etc.
Sunny014
Legend
Roger Federer's 2006 feud with Novak Djokovic turned nasty
Roger Federer lashed out at Novak Djokovic after Switzerland’s Davis Cup tie against Serbia back in 2006.
read this
Roger Federer called Novak Djokovic ‘a joke’ after his actions during a match against Stanislas Wawrinka at the 2006 Davis Cup.
The then-19-year-old beat Wawrinka 6–4, 3–6, 2–6, 7–6 (7–3), 6–4 to level the play-off match at 1-1, but Federer spotted something he didn’t like.
Djokovic was accused of abusing the rules by repeatedly calling his trainer over, which could’ve disrupted Wawrinka’s rhythm.
Federer said: “I don’t trust his injuries. I’m serious.
Sunny014
Legend
Federer was a very egocentric man in the 2000s
After crushing everyone in 2004 and emerging as the alpha and then everyone calling him GOAT in waiting he started considering himself a GOD, his body language + his mouth was quite lordly on the tennis court, only on Clay Nadal used to have the ruler's body language.
When Federer was seeded 2 at AO09 for the first time in 5-6 years he was so arrogant that he even said "I feel weird when announced world number 2, it feels so wrong, I am either former rank 1 or a grand slam champion, but not 2 "
How silly to even think like this @maratha_warrior, too much ego I would say
All this has been broken by 2 guys reaching 20 slams, it is a punishment from God for not improving in the late 00s by changing his racquet and being a submissive clown under that fool Annacone
After crushing everyone in 2004 and emerging as the alpha and then everyone calling him GOAT in waiting he started considering himself a GOD, his body language + his mouth was quite lordly on the tennis court, only on Clay Nadal used to have the ruler's body language.
When Federer was seeded 2 at AO09 for the first time in 5-6 years he was so arrogant that he even said "I feel weird when announced world number 2, it feels so wrong, I am either former rank 1 or a grand slam champion, but not 2 "
How silly to even think like this @maratha_warrior, too much ego I would say
All this has been broken by 2 guys reaching 20 slams, it is a punishment from God for not improving in the late 00s by changing his racquet and being a submissive clown under that fool Annacone
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Nadal had to work mightily to keep his "King of Clay" title from Federer in 2006-2008, and then against Djokovic in 2009. Nearly every clay match Nadal played back then seemed important, not like more recent years where it's more about finals he might reach and the French Open. The hatred for Nadal on this forum in 2006 from Federer fans was off the charts.
Winners or Errors
Legend
Nah - tennis is, like all other sport, entertainment. If you're at a level where people are willing to come see you play in a special event, why not make some extra cash. Those kinds of events littered the first 20 years of open tennis, by the way. They are few and far between now.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yeah, people who fight for weak are not seen in good light. Even if you are from a weak community you shall be hailed if you do the bidding of your betters, even there limits are there as to how much you can rise, everyone wants to see you do good, just not better than them, thats the world we live in.
In the real world I feel Novak was disliked in the beginning because he came across as confident and outspoken, remember when he beat Fed at Montreal 07 then he said Roger you cannot win all the tourneys, you have to leave something for us as well. This sort of statement would not have gone down well with Roger who has a massive ego. On the other hand if you see Nadal, right from 04-05 Nadal had a very intimidating body language on the tennis court, but after the Match Nadal is soft spoken, shy and does not do any taunting or anything, so this must also have helped Nadal's image build up when he was new. He was beating Fed at Miami and still he was looking humble off the courts.
Federer was extremely intimidating on the court because he was far more talented than anyone and he is an extrovert as well, so he is outspoken even outside the court. In his prev gen nobody was as good as him, even Agassi was humbled by Roger and in his gen he crushed everyone who was dominant before him (Safin & Hewitt), so Fed was absolute Alpha
In Nadal's case he was extremely intimidating on clay, not quite so on other turfs as Fed was still ruling there, so Nadal compensated that by being very bumble
Novak arrives and he is confident of his abilities, Fed is pissed off, he probably thought "This punk is of Rafa's gen and Rafa has achieved so much more than this punk and Rafa is respectful towards me, why is this fellow so much outspoken and confident before even winning ?? "
So you see, this might have soured their relations ...... That's my guesss
Am I right @pj80 @Hitman or is there any more theory to this rivalry on how Fed and Novak started disliking each other right from 2006 itself while same Nadal despite his intimidating presence of clay was like by Federer as early as 05 ???
This isn't how it went down really.
Here is what happened. The two had played in Monte Carlo 2006 and Federer said he was very impressed with Novak's game and felt he could become a champion if he kept going, and Djokovic was pleased that in his first showing against Federer he had a good showing for himself. The real issue started during a five set Davis Cup match between Wawrinka and Djokovic, where Stan was on his way to a four set win when Novak started to call out the medical doctor several times for issues that were not clear to Federer to see. Djokovic managed to squeeze out the fourth set tie break and then win the match in five, this did not sit well with Federer who felt Novak screwed Stan out of the win.
He went onto call Novak's antics a joke and then crushed him in straights in their match to lead his country to a win over Novak's. Now what happened next was, Federer and Djokovic met each other in Madrid 2006, and went off to a private practice court to talk about the situation, Novak explained his issues during that match with Stan and that he didn't want there to be any problems between him, Stan and Fed, and Federer even said to him that he said things in the heat of the moment and looking back he should have come to Novak first. Both shook hands and put things behind them.
At AO 2007 Federer was entering his God Mode, but Novak was also building momentum, he had a strong start to the season winning a title, and he felt that he could give Federer a challenge. Federer was too good on the day, but he felt he needed to put Novak in his place a little. Now about that post match speech at Montreal....what Djokovic said wasn't to Federer, it was to the crowd, so they didn't upset that Federer didn't win, something he spoke about in an interview....he said the crowd were so used to seeing Federer win, that in a way they put too much pressure on Federer also and that wasn't fair....the statement was to the fans to basically say, Federer cannot always win, and shouldn't feel bad about that, he's a champion but give the guy a break. Of course Federer was annoyed in the actual moment, but it wasn't at Novak, he saw that Novak had beaten Roddick and Nadal leading into the match, had won Miami and reached the final of IW also, he was more annoyed with himself because it was the time first he lost a final outside of clay in a big event since TMC 2005. He credited Novak later, and then at USO spoke to him about his season and to keep going.
Things actually were not too bad, but Novak's father didn't like Federer, he didn't like him since those comments in Davis Cup 2006 and that is where the issue really stemmed from.
Sunny014
Legend
Nadal was quite well supported by Sampras Fans in 07-08 period on the social media website Orkut, I remember.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Well, I was thinking they would be all post USO as they have been in reality and all of those were indoor hard courts.
maratha_warrior
Hall of Fame
Roger Federer called Novak Djokovic ‘a joke’ after his actions during a match against Stanislas Wawrinka at the 2006 Davis Cup.
The then-19-year-old beat Wawrinka 6–4, 3–6, 2–6, 7–6 (7–3), 6–4 to level the play-off match at 1-1, but Federer spotted something he didn’t like.
Djokovic was accused of abusing the rules by repeatedly calling his trainer over, which could’ve disrupted Wawrinka’s rhythm.
Federer said: “I don’t trust his injuries. I’m serious.
For a change , I won't mind this kinda arrogant Fed right now
Big-3 have become too much diplomatic now which is boring !
Sunny014
Legend
What about the salty handshake at Montreal 07 ?
Look at Fed's face and how he shook hands, it was really a sign of things to come, Federer's ego was there to see and he was unhappy at that loss.
Federer has never liked Novak, Srdjan is right, why else would Fed and Roddick both gang up on Novak during the USO 08 ?
I totally support Srdjan in whatever he did, he is a proud father who was defending his son against the bully, nothing wrong.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
In South America, we don’t know much about the ATP. Same in the Antarctica.
Sunny014
Legend
For a change , I won't mind this kinda arrogant Fed right now
Big-3 have become too much diplomatic now which is boring !
Arrogance only comes when you r winning.
Not when your records are being broken, that is when you become a mouse.
Federer is the opposite of arrogant now, he knows that finally he is losing in the stats race to Novak and his solo GOAT status is waning and he might even lose it if Novak reaches like 22-23 slams and creates an actual narrative in the media to ppl back him.
So Federer's stock in arrogance is down, it is Novak who looks cocky and arrogant in recent years.
Nadal has never been arrogant because he never was the alpha, he was always 2nd or 3rd behind these guys, today he is like a 3rd wheel and his rival Fed is on the verge of being reduced to 2 from the 1st position that he held for 14-15 years.
So if you cross the guy who is GOAT then you automatically become the GOAT, that is where Novak is now, but the real challenge will be to overcome the media and become a bigger presence, lets see what happens
But Federer's days of being arrogant are long gone, he even said last year I think so "Rafa and Novak will cross my slams record because they are that good " ....
Hitman
Bionic Poster
I never said Federer was content in the moment he lost, he lost a tight match in a final set tie break, and as I said, he hadn't lost a big final outside of clay since TMC to Nalbandian, so clearly it wasn't a great moment for him. He obviously didn't give a warm handshake, but there was a lot of annoyance at himself, because he had his chances to win and he didn't. He wasn't used to losing these big finals at that point.
I don't recall Federer and Roddick ganging up on Djokovic at USO 2008, but yes, Federer was again outspoken at AO 2009 after Novak as defending champion retired from the match against Roddick with breathing issues. Not a good moment for Federer or Roddick.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Harsh from Federer. Djokovic melted in that heat. Before 2011, Djokovic used to have these sort of issues with ailments developing, and the heat and his fitness suddenly betraying him. That's why nobody saw 2011 Djokovic coming.
I went last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. I was fortunate enough to get my tickets off of stubhub super cheap so that definitely helped. The quality of Tennis was incredibly high and it seemed like everyone was having fun. It was a very diverse crowd as far as race, age, gender, etc.
The negative is that this event got ZERO coverage locally. I rarely go on Facebook but have checked it a few times this weekend and not one person I’m friends with posted about going which is odd considering how many Tennis friends I have around Boston.
I’m sure this has been posted a lot but we really need to get more Tennis, including Laver Cup, back on ESPN. Where I live it’s pretty expensive to get TC and I doubt anyone other than the real diehards ever check it out.
The negative is that this event got ZERO coverage locally. I rarely go on Facebook but have checked it a few times this weekend and not one person I’m friends with posted about going which is odd considering how many Tennis friends I have around Boston.
I’m sure this has been posted a lot but we really need to get more Tennis, including Laver Cup, back on ESPN. Where I live it’s pretty expensive to get TC and I doubt anyone other than the real diehards ever check it out.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Djokovic's parents were pointing to a mark that was incorrectly called out, Federer knew it was in, told them to be quiet and then rubbed the mark. As in like - Don't question my integrity.
accidental
Hall of Fame
It’s almost the same sort of concept as the European Super League in soccer that had heavy backlash about 6 months ago.
It’s sort of a hybrid between theYear End Championships and the Davis Cup, only players don’t earn their way in, it’s just invitational. It wants to be an elite competition but have full control over who can and can’t play.
If I were one of the 25 or so ‘world’ players ranked higher than Kyrgios (#96) I would be annoyed at missing out on those sweet appearance fees
It’s sort of a hybrid between theYear End Championships and the Davis Cup, only players don’t earn their way in, it’s just invitational. It wants to be an elite competition but have full control over who can and can’t play.
If I were one of the 25 or so ‘world’ players ranked higher than Kyrgios (#96) I would be annoyed at missing out on those sweet appearance fees
Hitman
Bionic Poster
And it became clear from a lot of health checks that he had breathing issues that needed to be addressed as part of a total holistic makeover of his fitness, which included his diet being modified to help him get over these things, which is why we got the Djokovic 2.0 thing going.
Bubcay
Legend
Perhaps, but I feel that Novak genuinely cares about players, especially the lower-ranked ones. He did not need this PTPA thing to show his hubris.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Promotional or Corporate tickets most likely. Apologies for not emphasizing that. But this year maybe resale. Normally no.
RaulRamirez
Legend
I didn't watch it this year, but watched a lot the first year, and lesser amounts the next couple years.
In the first edition, there was some electricity, especially with Roger and Rafa playing doubles. After that, some of that novelty wore off.
Now, I can't judge the quality of this year's play, but when one team (who has now won all four editions) wins 14-1, and you cancel the remaining (was it three?) matches, that's not only a problem, but a joke. A ripoff. I mean, can't you have some other events planned, or just...I don't know...play the stinkin' matches that were scheduled. It's not as if the outcome of the team competition was in much doubt.
Contrast this with the Ryder Cup which was just held this weekend. I'm much more of a tennis than a golf fan, but the Ryder Cup has many built-in advantages:
In the first edition, there was some electricity, especially with Roger and Rafa playing doubles. After that, some of that novelty wore off.
Now, I can't judge the quality of this year's play, but when one team (who has now won all four editions) wins 14-1, and you cancel the remaining (was it three?) matches, that's not only a problem, but a joke. A ripoff. I mean, can't you have some other events planned, or just...I don't know...play the stinkin' matches that were scheduled. It's not as if the outcome of the team competition was in much doubt.
Contrast this with the Ryder Cup which was just held this weekend. I'm much more of a tennis than a golf fan, but the Ryder Cup has many built-in advantages:
- By now, an almost 100-year history.
- Natural teams: Would you rather play for the USA, or "the rest of the world"? And while it's questionable that there is that much pan-European pride, there is in the Ryder Cup, as often Europe is the underdog to the US. Over its recent history, they also seem to respond to the the team format better than the American players.
- In Ryder Cup, every match is worth a full point, which could be halved. In Laver Cup, they escalate the point value of matches (gimmicky) and yet this year, they still had to cancel matches today. Ridiculous.
- Plus, the Ryder Cup is played every two years, which makes it a little more special for that reason alone.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
You can't force people to want to watch guys ranked 70 and below when top 10 guys are on.
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
I don’t watch it on TV but if it came to my hometown I sure as hell would buy tickets. We get royally screwed in Canada for live tennis. Attending Indian Wells for the first time a couple years back was one of the most enjoyable things I’ve ever done.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
To work properly, like the Ryder Cup, it needs bigger promotion, and no other tournaments on. Its prestige needs to be played up a lot more. It must not be just like any other run-of-the-mill tennis tournament. It would be interesting to see the higher ranked players always playing, and the pressure is different. Tiger Woods thrived in individual majors, but not so much in Ryder Cup. It's been the opposite for Colin Montgomerie and Ian Poulter.
