Anyone know the scoop?

fe6250

Semi-Pro
Quick question for the USTA brain trust. Does anyone know how a 'retired' match factors into ratings and specifically a DQ? There was a match yesterday in our league between a self-rater that many suspect to be 'under rated' and a pretty well established player.

The score was 6-0, retired. How is this treated by the system? Can he get a strike for this potentially?
 

saram

Legend
Do you mean he won the first set 6-0 and then retired? Not sure how that would be treated. One would really have to look at all of his matches to see if there is true dominance.
 

fe6250

Semi-Pro
Do you mean he won the first set 6-0 and then retired? Not sure how that would be treated. One would really have to look at all of his matches to see if there is true dominance.
Yes - he (self-rater) won the first set 6-0 and then the other guy retired. I'm just curious of the impact of this particular match (if any) to his rating.
 

saram

Legend
I don't think it will impact anything as the cause for the retirement is unknown and won't go into the books. If the retiring player was just fed up with a dominant player--he should file a grievance. If it was due to injury or illness--that could explain the first set domination.

Did the retiring player say he was sick or injured or just pi$$ed?
 

fe6250

Semi-Pro
I don't know but I'll try and find out.

OK - I e-mailed the captain and here is his response (names edited to protect the innocent):

'John' simply said "screw it" after getting pummelled in the first set. 'John's' a solid 3.5 and he said he literally couldn't even score a single point against 'the self-rated guy', and that he's clearly a 4.0 or even 4.5. 'John' had been sick all week and didn't want to wear himself down further by playing another set like the one he just endured, so he told 'the self-rated guy' to take a 6-0 for the second set and enjoy his last season as a 3.5. (Of course 'John' was polite about it....he's an incredibly nice guy, but he knows his limits.)

Looks like he just said 'enough'...
 

JavierLW

Hall of Fame
OK - I e-mailed the captain and here is his response (names edited to protect the innocent):

'John' simply said "screw it" after getting pummelled in the first set. 'John's' a solid 3.5 and he said he literally couldn't even score a single point against 'the self-rated guy', and that he's clearly a 4.0 or even 4.5. 'John' had been sick all week and didn't want to wear himself down further by playing another set like the one he just endured, so he told 'the self-rated guy' to take a 6-0 for the second set and enjoy his last season as a 3.5. (Of course 'John' was polite about it....he's an incredibly nice guy, but he knows his limits.)

Looks like he just said 'enough'...
Watch how you tell that story, because quitting results in a default, not a retirement. (a default is 6-0, 6-0 and doesnt effect the rating in either way)

I read down to where you said he was sick though and cut him some slack, you are only really allowed to retire if you can not physically continue. (like if you get sand caught in your eye or something..... :) )

Im not sure we will ever know how retirements work toward a rating.

The system does go by the difference in games and you only have a 6 game gap instead of a 12 game gap. (which would be like winning 6-3, 6-3)

But if they do something special because it's a retirement Im not sure anyone would ever know. (the league doesnt divulge a lot of specifics of how the actual score translates into a dynamic rating, other than it's based on games won and lost)
 

fe6250

Semi-Pro
Watch how you tell that story, because quitting results in a default, not a retirement. (a default is 6-0, 6-0 and doesnt effect the rating in either way)
Actually, I pointed this out to the other captain as if he put it in there 6-0, 6-0 - it had a better chance of DQing this guy (I want him DQ'd he has no business in our league). Not sure why he scored it as 'retired' as he doesn't gain from it.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
OK - I e-mailed the captain and here is his response (names edited to protect the innocent):

'John' simply said "screw it" after getting pummelled in the first set. 'John's' a solid 3.5 and he said he literally couldn't even score a single point against 'the self-rated guy', and that he's clearly a 4.0 or even 4.5. 'John' had been sick all week and didn't want to wear himself down further by playing another set like the one he just endured, so he told 'the self-rated guy' to take a 6-0 for the second set and enjoy his last season as a 3.5. (Of course 'John' was polite about it....he's an incredibly nice guy, but he knows his limits.)

Looks like he just said 'enough'...
To each is own, but I'd never retire for that reason.

I'd take it easy, I'd get in some practice. I'd try to hit shots I normally don't hit. I'd practice returning the guy's buzz saw serve. I'd hit a backhand slice, even though I don't have a backhand slice.

I would never quit unless I was playing someone who was blatantly cheating (calling balls out that were a foot inside the line). Even then, I probably would not retire.

Just not my style . . .
 

fe6250

Semi-Pro
To each is own, but I'd never retire for that reason.

I'd take it easy, I'd get in some practice. I'd try to hit shots I normally don't hit. I'd practice returning the guy's buzz saw serve. I'd hit a backhand slice, even though I don't have a backhand slice.

I would never quit unless I was playing someone who was blatantly cheating (calling balls out that were a foot inside the line). Even then, I probably would not retire.

Just not my style . . .
Cindy - I wouldn't retire either. I was just curious how this impacted his (the guy who won) rating in the system.
 

10sjunkie

New User
I'm not sure how the dynamic ratings work, but it is my understanding that it looks more at sets played rather than entire games. If that is the case, by showing a 6-0, retired score instead of a default, the 1st set will count towards his ratings.
 

saram

Legend
OK - I e-mailed the captain and here is his response (names edited to protect the innocent):

'John' simply said "screw it" after getting pummelled in the first set. 'John's' a solid 3.5 and he said he literally couldn't even score a single point against 'the self-rated guy', and that he's clearly a 4.0 or even 4.5. 'John' had been sick all week and didn't want to wear himself down further by playing another set like the one he just endured, so he told 'the self-rated guy' to take a 6-0 for the second set and enjoy his last season as a 3.5. (Of course 'John' was polite about it....he's an incredibly nice guy, but he knows his limits.)

Looks like he just said 'enough'...
The Captain definitely needs to do something about this. I know this is only one match and one match does not indicate this guy's overall level. I'd like to see a history of his dominance. If there is established dominance, then the Captain needs to take action and get this guy out of the league as league tennis is established to create a fun and competitive playing field. Just my two cents...
 

Ace

Semi-Pro
The played six games. It goes in tennis link as 6-0, ret.
The guy gets credit for winning six games, and losing zero, just like you'd expect.
 

fe6250

Semi-Pro
Quick update on this. The guy who I was referring to DQ'd from 3.5 play on only 3 matches at 3.5 (including the retired match) and 1 match at 4.0. It doesn't really answer my question, but the guy got his 3 strikes in only 4 total matches.
 

10sguy

Rookie
Quick update on this. The guy who I was referring to DQ'd from 3.5 play on only 3 matches at 3.5 (including the retired match) and 1 match at 4.0. It doesn't really answer my question, but the guy got his 3 strikes in only 4 total matches.
Good! . . . the system works.
 
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