anyone really amazed by Gilles Müller in 2017 wimbledon agianst nadal ?

skypadq

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every low lanker players should watch this video and try the same
if you met wimbledon in rafa nadal
wimbledon at rafa nadal is clearly had weakness
his return poistion and low bouncing
2017 wimbledon R16 muller vs nadal was something to watch guys
gilles muller , this guy is so smart
he knows how to play agianst nadal at wimbledon grass
he beat 2005 wimbledon and 2017 wimbledon against rafa nadal

2017 major nadal was really great form
won 17 RG and 17 USO
reached final in 17 AO
muller is really smart player
you should watch this video
this is really amazing
 

every low lanker players should watch this video and try the same
if you met wimbledon in rafa nadal
wimbledon at rafa nadal is clearly had weakness
his return poistion and low bouncing
2017 wimbledon R16 muller vs nadal was something to watch guys
gilles muller , this guy is so smart
he knows how to play agianst nadal at wimbledon grass
he beat 2005 wimbledon and 2017 wimbledon against rafa nadal

2017 major nadal was really great form
won 17 RG and 17 USO
reached final in 17 AO
muller is really smart player
you should watch this video
this is really amazing
a wonderful denadalization by gilles muller :)
(classy celebration at the end, by the way)

shot of the tournament for the nadal, though:
 

Sport

Legend
That is what would happen to Nadal every Wimbledon if he played in the 90's and didn't change his return position. He really got exposed there it was a joy to watch some good old S&V.
No, it wouldn't occur every match. Nadal beat Müller in straigth sets at Wimbledon 2011.

Your comment is like saying "Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It illustrates what would happen to Federer evry match if he faced a good server in the 1990s Wimbledon".
 
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Sport

Legend
Ah yes, 2011, pinnacle of the 90s.
Your comment makes no sense. Another user said that because Nadal lost to Müller, he would lose every single match in the 1990s to a server and volleyer and I replied to him that his premise is false, as Nadal defeated in 3 sets Müller at Wimbledon 2011.

That is so ridoculous as saying "Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It shows that he would lose to every good server in the 1990s Wimbledon".
 
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TearTheRoofOff

Hall of Fame
Your comment makes no sense. Another user said that because Nadal lost to Müller, he would lose every single match in the 1990s to a server and volleyer and I replied to him that his premise is false, as Nadal defeated in 3 sets Müller at Wimbledon 2011.

That is so ridoculous as saying "Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It shows that he would lose to every good server in the 1990s Wimbledon".
Nadal losing all his grass matches against Muller was never claimed. They simply concluded that the nature of this loss indicates Nadal would lose every time in the 90s. I don't think he would, myself, but that's what was said. You just provided counter-evidence, not a falsification.
 

Sport

Legend
Nadal losing all his grass matches against Muller was never claimed. They simply concluded that the nature of this loss indicates Nadal would lose every time in the 90s. I don't think he would, myself, but that's what was said. You just provided counter-evidence, not a falsification.
If an argument is unfalsifiable, it is untestable, therefore irrelevant.

It is like saying "oh, Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It indicates he would lose to every good server at Wimbledon in the 1990s".
 
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King No1e

Legend
Best match of 2017 IMO. The quality was outstanding, with the contrast of styles between Nadal's usual baseline grinding and Muller's old-school grass game bringing out the best in each other and resulting in a marathon match and an upset for the ages.

A shame to think matches like this will never occur anymore. The era of marathon epics is over.
 

40L0VE

Rookie
It wasn't the first time Nadal has lost to much lower ranked players at Wimbledon.

Lukas Rosol (#100) in 2012, Round 2.
Steve Darcis (#135) in 2013, Round 1.
Dustin Brown (#qualifier) in 2015, Round 2. Nadal also lost to Brown 6-4, 6-1 the previous year in Halle in R16 on grass.
 

ibbi

Legend
1. Maybe if you didn't watch Wimbledon 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015.

2. Maybe if you didn't know who Gilles Muller was or how comfortable he was on a grass court. The first two sets of their 2011 Wimbledon match were two of the most tense I can recall watching as a Rafa fan.

My question regarding the 2017 match has always been what the hell happened to him in sets 3 and 4 considering how imperious and borderline untouchable he looked in the 3 sets he won. It's like he bet on himself in 5 or something.
 

HuusHould

Professional
Hes a lefty with one of the best serves on the tour, (it's as good as any on a good day) who's solid at the net. It was an upset, but not completely unexpected.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Your comment is like saying "Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It illustrates what would happen to Federer evry match if he faced a good server in the 1990s Wimbledon".
That is so ridoculous as saying "Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It shows that he would lose to every good server in the 1990s Wimbledo
It is like saying "oh, Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It indicates he would lose to every good server at Wimbledon in the 1990s".
What would it be like again?

Edit: btw, I'm just messing with you. I actually agree with your point.
 
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Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
It wasn't the first time Nadal has lost to much lower ranked players at Wimbledon.

Lukas Rosol (#100) in 2012, Round 2.
Steve Darcis (#135) in 2013, Round 1.
Dustin Brown (#qualifier) in 2015, Round 2. Nadal also lost to Brown 6-4, 6-1 the previous year in Halle in R16 on grass.
Nadal loses to any journeymen, groundskeeper or drunken spectator stumbling down out of the stands at Wimbledon and the indoor season. Its what he does.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
It wasn't the first time Nadal has lost to much lower ranked players at Wimbledon.

Lukas Rosol (#100) in 2012, Round 2.
Steve Darcis (#135) in 2013, Round 1.
Dustin Brown (#qualifier) in 2015, Round 2. Nadal also lost to Brown 6-4, 6-1 the previous year in Halle in R16 on grass.
Nick Kyrgios (144) in 2014, Round 4.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
It wasn't the first time Nadal has lost to much lower ranked players at Wimbledon.

Lukas Rosol (#100) in 2012, Round 2.
Steve Darcis (#135) in 2013, Round 1.
Dustin Brown (#qualifier) in 2015, Round 2. Nadal also lost to Brown 6-4, 6-1 the previous year in Halle in R16 on grass.
Almost as if the Nadal doesn't like fast grass.

Would have been entertaining to watch him on 90s grass, that's for sure.
 

40L0VE

Rookie
To be fair to Rafa, he would try his best to adapt the master strategist that he is.

I'd expect him to average 40 seconds on serve and do a lawnmover after winning every point to throw them off.
Lendl's achievements at Wimbledon give a slight idea of how Nadal would have performed. To Nadal's advantage would be the lefty shots and better athleticism.
 

TearTheRoofOff

Hall of Fame
If an argument is unfalsifiable, it is untestable, therefore irrelevant.

It is like saying "oh, Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It indicates he would lose to every good server at Wimbledon in the 1990s".
But that wasn't your point. If it was, you wouldn't have needed the 2011 result as any kind of ammunition.

I think the manner in which the losses manifested indicate interesting ponderings at the very least, so I'm averse to taking your absolutism too seriously. I think there is good reason to suspect that Nadal's return position would get WRECKED on fast grass (remember, that was a qualifier in the OPs claim). I think the manner in which Fed's form fell off a cliff part way through the match with Kevin Anderson said more about that match than any stylistic issues which might pertain to his potential performance against big servers on faster surfaces. Fed's got a pretty decent serve, remember.
 

davced1

Professional
No, it wouldn't occur every match. Nadal beat Müller in straigth sets at Wimbledon 2011.

Your comment is like saying "Federer lost to Kevin Anderson. It illustrates what would happen to Federer evry match if he faced a good server in the 1990s Wimbledon".
My point was more about Nadals return position and how it was exposed by a good serve & volleyer and there were far more of that kind in the 90’s. Federer is a good server himself so it would even out and Federer would win anyway most of the times.
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
One of the greatest lefty swinging serves you'll ever see, man, his deuce Tee serve was incredible. IIRC, a lot of people were picking Muller to maybe do rather well that year at Wimbledon, a potential dark horse pick...
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
Nadal loses to any journeymen, groundskeeper or drunken spectator stumbling down out of the stands at Wimbledon and the indoor season. Its what he does.
Well, sure, if you ignore his 82% winning percentage, his two titles, 3 additional finals, and two additional SFs. Now, he did have a bad stretch of Wimbys, but despite all those first week losses, his overall record is still quite good. He's made semis or higher 50% of the times he's played there.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Well, sure, if you ignore his 82% winning percentage, his two titles, 3 additional finals, and two additional SFs. Now, he did have a bad stretch of Wimbys, but despite all those first week losses, his overall record is still quite good. He's made semis or higher 50% of the times he's played there.
Nadal has 2 indoor titles in what, 18 years on tour now? He can lose to literally anyone indoor or on grass. He lost to Darcis, that says it all.
 
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