Anyone think Nadal Can Catch Fed's Total of Majors?

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Who knows, it could happen when we least expect it. A single young gun breaking through and winning a slam could inspire the rest of them.
yeah, but my greedy self would like it to wait until after wimbledon. i need one old player to win there one more time. okay not need, but really want.

you think dimitrov will ever find his way, or way too much hype because of style and lost generation, is well lost cause?
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
I don't know about that to be honest - take any 1 or 2 of those players out and the entire tennis landscape changes completely. These 3 constantly pushed each other to great heights and served as each others' sources of motivation. With no other main challenger, each one could just break Pete's Slam record, maybe get to 16-17 Slams and then retire on the spot
I'm not so sure. Fed piled 7 slams before while Rafa was in his teens. Djoker was 18 and Nadal 19 by the time Fed had 7 slams. He got to 12 slams while Rafa was 21 and under and Djoker 20 and under.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Someone actually did a thread on how many slams Fedalovic would win without the other two members in the draw and it showed that Djokovic would have more titles than Nadal, which in some ways isn't that surprising given how much more consistent he's been.
I think I made the thread and it was deleted and no Djokovic wouldn't have the most slams. Djoker hasn't been more consistent. He was great from 2011 to 2016 RG. Rafa won at least 1 slam a year for 10 straight years. Roger made 39 or 41 straight slam semis.
 

Krish872007

G.O.A.T.
I'm not so sure. Fed piled 7 slams before while Rafa was in his teens. Djoker was 18 and Nadal 19 by the time Fed had 7 slams. He got to 12 slams while Rafa was 21 and under and Djoker 20 and under.
That's fine, but not the point I was making. So Fed broke Pete's record in July 2009 and by Jan 2010 he was on 16 whilst Rafa was on 6, Novak on 1. Now imagine removing both Rafa & Novak totally from the picture. Maybe add on a couple more Slams for Fed to put him at 17/18. What is his motivation to continue past the age of 30/31? His Slam record is seemingly safe, no-one else would be near it.
Then imagine the same situation with Rafa or Novak in turn with the Slam record. In fact, Rafa said today that in 2005, he would have imagined that he would be retired and fishing somewhere in Majorca in 2017
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
2015/16 Djokovic might have stopped Nadal in MC/Madrid t_p but I'm not sure he would've got past him at RG. I suspect it'd be similar to their 2013 encounter with Nadal just scraping through.
I don't think 2015 Djokovic could handle peak Nadal but he'd have a decent shot at 2017 Nadal.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I think I made the thread and it was deleted and no Djokovic wouldn't have the most slams. Djoker hasn't been more consistent. He was great from 2011 to 2016 RG. Rafa won at least 1 slam a year for 10 straight years. Roger made 39 or 41 straight slam semis.
Up until the end of last year Djokovic had reached one more final and eight more semis so yeah, he kinda has been more consistent. Not to mention Nadal never reached 28 consecutive quarterfinals or 14 consecutive semifinals.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
I don't think 2015 Djokovic could handle peak Nadal but he'd have a decent shot at 2017 Nadal.
A more than decent shot but probably no more than that. Nadal this year looked pretty close to his 2013 level and I'm not sure 2015 Djokovic would beat that version either.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
A more than decent shot but probably no more than that. Nadal this year looked pretty close to his 2013 level and I'm not sure 2015 Djokovic would beat that version either.
Nadal's speed is nowhere close to 2013 even and I think Djokovic would've exploited that.

This of course assuming Djokovic would have all those titles from the first half of 2015 because his level of confidence was sky high.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
yeah, but my greedy self would like it to wait until after wimbledon. i need one old player to win there one more time. okay not need, but really want.

you think dimitrov will ever find his way, or way too much hype because of style and lost generation, is well lost cause?
I think Dimitrov will have a few more deep slam runs but have no idea if he'll convert one of them into a victory. Problem with him is that he never builded upon his great Wimbledon run in 2014 like I thought he will, we needed to wait almost 3 years to see him reach slam SF again (where he did play some brilliant tennis).

With the age limit being pushed and the field likely being a crapshoot when the big 3-4 are finally gone, anything is possible.
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Nadal's speed is nowhere close to 2013 even and I think Djokovic would've exploited that.

This of course assuming Djokovic would have all those titles from the first half of 2015 because his level of confidence was sky high.
Nadal's speed looked pretty much the same as 2013 to me. Amazing how he does it really.
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
lawl, feels like old times - which I'm sorry to say is infinitely better than anything Djokovic or Murray :p
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
Up until the end of last year Djokovic had reached one more final and eight more semis so yeah, he kinda has been more consistent. Not to mention Nadal never reached 28 consecutive quarterfinals or 14 consecutive semifinals.
In the end, what does that mean though? Nadal has won more consistently - 3 more slams, the same number of Masters, 6 more titles. The idea is to win.

Also, from the start of their careers until today, no way has Djoker been more consistent. Half of his slams came in a 2 year period - 18 of his 30 Masters in a 4 year period.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Give me a break.

He was spanked by Djokovic in straight sets in all of those matches. Wasn't injured in any of them. The main difference between 2015/2016 and 2017 is that peak Djokovic is gone.

The only big tournaments he missed in 2015-2016 are Wimbledon in 2016 (no chance in hell he was gonna do anything there), Canada 2016 (the last tournament where prime Djokovic showed up so goodbye if they meet) and then Paris/WTF at the end of 2016 which he wasn't winning as well.

Just as much as Federer took advantage of Djokovic's demise in early 2017, Nadal has benefited just as much. No way in hell was he gonna have such results or dominate the clay court season without breaking sweat if 2015/2016 Djokovic played this year.
I was actually only referring to the French Open when I said 15-16. Besides, those 7 meetings you listed aren't really indicative of a Djokovic problem. Rafa was losing to everyone in those years, even on clay. Do you think 2015 Novak would beat today's Rafa if they met in Paris? Something was clearly wrong with him in those years. Do you think it was all mental?
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
I was actually only referring to the French Open when I said 15-16. Besides, those 7 meetings you listed aren't really indicative of a Djokovic problem. Rafa was losing to everyone in those years, even on clay. Do you think 2015 Novak would beat today's Rafa if they met in Paris? Something was clearly wrong with him in those years. Do you think it was all mental?
I actually do, yes. I don't wanna take anything from Nadal but if you need peak Djokovic to beat his 31-year old version then it only confirms how good he is.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
No I think he will finish on 16-17 slams. His best shot of another non clay major is USO 17, AO 18 an USO 18 After that he will be 32... Federer's baseline game fell off a cliff post 2012 past the age of 31.
Who's to say the same won't happen to Nadal?

If I had to guess:

1 AO
11 RG
2 Wimbledon
3 USO

Fed:

5 AO
1 RG
8 Wimbledon
6 USO

20 vs 17.
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
After each player wins a title, you see this type of threads. I saw that numerous times with Djokovic and Fed in the past 16 months.

Over the previous 5 seasons, Nadal won:
2016: 0
2015: 0
2014: 1
2013: 2
2012: 1
Total=4, and he was younger.

It will be very hard for him to get 3-4 more.
 
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VexlanderPrime

Guest
WILL it happen? Almost certainly not. Rafa would need to win both USO'17 and AO'18 to have any chance. Played phenomenal today but he's getting older, very unlikely. Now if he had beat Fed at AO'16.... what could have been...
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I'm not so sure. Fed piled 7 slams before while Rafa was in his teens. Djoker was 18 and Nadal 19 by the time Fed had 7 slams. He got to 12 slams while Rafa was 21 and under and Djoker 20 and under.
Dude, just stop it already with this BS argument.

Novak and Rafa won lots of slams after Fed had turned 30. Your point?
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's speed is nowhere close to 2013 even and I think Djokovic would've exploited that.

This of course assuming Djokovic would have all those titles from the first half of 2015 because his level of confidence was sky high.
Nadal's speed is not as good as in 2013 but it's pretty close. However, the important thing is that to compensate for some loss of speed, Nadal is playing much more aggressively, i.e. bigger/better serve, more aggressive bh, etc. He was the more aggressive one in the match vs Wawrinka and didn't let Wawrinka play his game.

No version of Djokovic would have defeated this Nadal at the FO today IMO.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Up until the end of last year Djokovic had reached one more final and eight more semis so yeah, he kinda has been more consistent. Not to mention Nadal never reached 28 consecutive quarterfinals or 14 consecutive semifinals.
quarters and semis don't give out trophies do they? Nadal won one slam+ a year for 10 straight years. Thats consistent SLAM WINNING. Not making 1/4s and semis.

Want to talk consistent? In slam semis he is 22-3. Novak is 21-10. Fed 28-13.
 

Sereger

Hall of Fame
quarters and semis don't give out trophies do they? Nadal won one slam+ a year for 10 straight years. Thats consistent SLAM WINNING. Not making 1/4s and semis.

Want to talk consistent? In slam semis he is 22-3. Novak is 21-10. Fed 28-13.
It's one of various types of consistency/inconsistency. Like Nadal has the most losses before QF in GS since his 1st title: 12. Fed: 6. Nole: 4
Nadal's performance is great when he's at his peak at a single tournament/sereval tournaments year by year, which makes him being so consistent and absolutely dominant in a particular event.
OTOH, Djokovic and Federer can maintain their form from normal to good and best at many consecutive tournaments (or years), either reaching QF or SF. That's their own consistency.
So, it depends on what kind of consistency you appreciate more :).
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Of course he can. It doesn't mean he will. He is 31. There is no guarantee he will keep up this level. Federer too might win another 1 or 2 because the competition from the younger guys is abysmal.
It isn't about the abysmal competition but the sheer excellence and resilience of Fedal that accounts for 2017.
 

un6a

Semi-Pro
Nadal's speed looked pretty much the same as 2013 to me. Amazing how he does it really.
What is amazing about his speed ? He is only 31 not 40. Still close to his psyhical peak. When he will run like this in 38+ years, then it will be amazing.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
He better hope Federer does not win Wimbledon in the next five weeks, because that will immediately take the gap back to four and nullify his RG win, and then it will look extremely hard. Possible, but odds will fall dramatically.
Incorrect , Federer's AO17 win was nullified by Nadal's RG17 win.

They have cancelled each other out this year. If Fed were to win Wimbledon , that will cancel out Nadal's RG17 win which cancelled out Federer's AO17 win. Meaning Federer will again be a plus-1 on Nadal in 2017 in terms of Slams added ... As it stands they have nullified each other @ this point in time in 2017 ...
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I could be very interesting if Nadal somehow wins Wimbledon and is only 2 majors away from Fed.
"only 2 majors" is a lot of majors. Djokovic was "only" 2 majors behind Nadal a year ago. In a year, he got no closer. And last I saw, Nadal has only won 1 non-clay Slam in 7 years. His best bet is still to win Roland Garros.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
What is amazing about his speed ? He is only 31 not 40. Still close to his psyhical peak. When he will run like this in 38+ years, then it will be amazing.
Nadal in 2005 was faster and could recover quicker. Nadal himself said so recently when describing that he could run for years when he was a kid and now takes him a lot more recovery time and physical resources. Which makes sense actually considering his age and number of years on the tour.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Incorrect , Federer's AO17 win was nullified by Nadal's RG17 win.

They have cancelled each other out this year. If Fed were to win Wimbledon , that will cancel out Nadal's RG17 win which cancelled out Federer's AO17 win. Meaning Federer will again be a plus-1 on Nadal in 2017 in terms of Slams added ... As it stands they have nullified each other @ this point in time in 2017 ...
What they're saying is just that the gap will be back to 4, so it's as if RG17 and Wim17 would not have happened. They aren't saying "in 2017," just in slam tally.
 

mr tonyz

Professional
What they're saying is just that the gap will be back to 4, so it's as if RG17 and Wim17 would not have happened. They aren't saying "in 2017," just in slam tally.
Yes & just in Slam tally AO17 pushed Federer from 17 to 18 . I don't see the reasoning here to compare Nadal's RG win to a future Slam Event that has yet to occur. We have had two slams completed in 2017 & Federer & Nadal have shared them both. The reason why Federer's lead increased to 4 to begin with was due to Federer's AO17 win , so in this regard it is incorrect to conclude for the 4 Slam differential to go back to par with a Federer win @ Wimbledon to nullify RG17 without taking into consideration that it would have only been a 2 Slam differential had Federer lost AO17 as opposed to winning it. Therefore AO17 cannot be left out of this equation ...
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Incorrect , Federer's AO17 win was nullified by Nadal's RG17 win.

They have cancelled each other out this year. If Fed were to win Wimbledon , that will cancel out Nadal's RG17 win which cancelled out Federer's AO17 win. Meaning Federer will again be a plus-1 on Nadal in 2017 in terms of Slams added ... As it stands they have nullified each other @ this point in time in 2017 ...

In other words from the start of the season, despite having such an incredible run, and being 3 games away from winning the first two slams, Nadal has made zero inroads in the slam chase from Jan 1 2017 to june 11 2017. Gap still three...and now we go to Federer's domain, where he is heavy fav to win. No GOATing Djokovic this time.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
Let's just wait and see what happens in the next six months and if Federer can win another Wimbledon or USO and how Nadal will do at the those same slams.
 

reaper

Legend
Nadal certainly can claim Federer's record. He won't retire while ever he has a chance at the FO, and if he's within a couple of slams of claiming the record he'll actively chase it.
 

TenS_Ace

Professional
OK...I'll try this again (since last post was deleted due to knotty words) When Fed wins 10 Wimby's we have a discussion..otherwise it's all speculation..AND Fed will NEVER EVER win 10 Wimby's :p
 

Calvin27

Rookie
Nadal might end up with 18 French Open titles. I could see him out there in a wheelchair.
I know this is for jokes, but this is key. I think he really needs to think about reducing volume at this age. He may feel fresh now, but who knows how long it will last. Fed on the other hand seems to have figured that part out and traded off some tennis firepower in exchange.
 

Sereger

Hall of Fame
I still remember the hypes for Fed after 2010 AO/2012 Wimby, Nadal after 2014 RG, and Djokovic after 2016 RG recently. Now the wisest thing I can do is count on them by the 1 tournament ahead, not the long-term next years/seasons. The 30+ ages in tennis can be anything but certainty and predictable.
 
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