Prince ATS Tour 100P
Anything better than a Gravity Pro? Dunlop CX400 Tour or Yonex Percept 100D perhaps ?
- Thread starter OnePoint618
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Yes the 100D is a very nice racquet. I think it would need weight to hit as big as the GPro though.
That thing just crushes
My point was just on feel, if you really value the feel of the GPro, you might be a little disappointed with the 100D.
Ah, yeah, that's too bad. Hasn't been around long enough for many used options to be available. Too bad there's not a good demo program available.
OnePoint618
New User
No sweat. Over the years I've bought approx 30 tennis racquets new ... some shockingly bizarre & unsuitable frames too (e.g. an 85sq inch LaCoste LT301 in my teenage novice years that I don't recall hitting the sweetspot on even once lol
)... so the Percept 100D would be wise safe purchase in comparison !
OnePoint618
New User
Feel is really important to me but it's unrealistic to expect other racquets to feel exactly how my GPro does.
If what I've read is true and the 100D isn't as soft & mushy as preceding Yonex racquets, it might work for me.
Totally understand, I've had the same thing since switching from my Ultra Tours, nothing feels quite the same or quite as good.
Coincidentally, I just traded with someone for a Gravity Pro. Never spent any serious time with it but always wanted to and now I can.
Good luck in your search
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
johnmccabe
Hall of Fame
In a weird way, I feel aero 98 has the potential of beating gpro, like in the French Open final.
I think wilson shift pro has all the qualities you list. Highly recommend it.
OnePoint618
New User
Thanks. The GPro isn't for everyone but if you like traditional players frame and you can swing it, you might love the GPro. It is easily one of the best frames I've ever owned : solid feeling, precise, forgiving sweetspot, stable off-center and best of all, the more you commit to the stroke the sweeter it feels & the better the resulting ball !
The only reason I want to try something different is it's too cumbersome for my whippy wristy 1HBH.
OnePoint618
New User
I know little or nothing about that new stick ... but I will look out for it. Thanks !
I play all-court style in singles and doubes, so that's my concern as it relates to volleys.
Granted, my technique needs improvement too but it'll be fun to use longer term with my own strings.
Looking forward to throwing some thinner polys in it.
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
You've got a borderline love-connection happening with your Gravity Pro. I'd stick with it and try to make adjustments before going on a racquet hunt that you may not even need.
Since you're wanting a little higher degree of "whippy-ness", I'd say add enough weight to the handle of your G Pro to give the racquet an extra 2 points of head-light balance and see how that works. I typically prefer more HL balance than stock with any of my own racquets and my current Prince Phantom 97P's have weighted handles to give me a more familiar balance that's whippy enough to work for me without the racquets getting too twitchy and unpredictable.
To add weight to my handles, I place 1/2" lead tape on top of my replacement grip and then cover all of that with an overgrip. It can stay like that for a long time or I can either adjust that weight or completely remove it if necessary without much fuss. I've never tried the method of filling my handle with silicone, etc. just because that would be really difficult to remove if it didn't work for me.
Even though you'd be adding weight to your racquet, you're essentially adding a couple tenths of an ounce (or perhaps 4-8 grams) to what you're holding in your hand. This can make your racquet effectively more whippy and maneuverable without making it feel any more cumbersome. My Phantoms now weight just a hair over 12 oz., but they maneuver and swing much more naturally for me like this. Your preference may be a little different, but it's simple enough to try handle weighting and then undo it if you don't care for the results.
HeavyHitter
Rookie
If you can afford it, try adding natural gut in the mains or the cross with a good poly. You'll unlock the true potential of the frame.
OnePoint618
New User
As you can tell I do love the GPro ! lol. It elevates my whole game except ironically my best shot : my 1HBh.
I haven't tried adding lead to the handle because mine is over-spec already & weighs 350g with an overgrip ! Even with a more head-light balance I fear the static weight will be too much for the style of 1HBH I have.
TBH I'm not going to be satisfied until I've wasted some money on other frames & see how they compare ! If they don't work out, I guess I could buy another used on-spec GPro original.
Anton
Legend
GPro is super easy to volley with - point and shoot. Off center is super forgiving and it makes punching deep or carving a short dropper easy.
All court is its middle name.
BHold81
Semi-Pro
I agree. It seems every time a racquet has specs I’m very excited about, it has wretched feel.
Is it a Yonex?
BHold81
Semi-Pro
Yeah, I was talking about the 100D. "Wretched" was definitely overly harsh. Wasn't that bad. But felt really disconnected to me. I was just really stoked for it. It was a demo, so part of me still wants to pick one up and try different strings. But I'm not too hopeful it will make a big enough difference.
Yonex is usually love or hate for me though as far as feel. Still my overall favorite brand.
OnePoint618
New User
Being harsh and disconnected at the same time doesn't seem possible
When I first bought my RF97, it felt so uncomfortable & stiff I didn't pick it up again for a couple of years.
I gave it another chance recently and it now feels much better. Either the frame became less stiff with age or I had simply strung it at too high a tension when I first bought it.
Could strings/tension explain your experience with the 100D perhaps ?
BHold81
Semi-Pro
I meant I was being harsh by calling the feel wretched. And I do think strings could possibly change my mind. But the feel was so far off for me that idk if I’m willing to put the time and money into it. Still love Yonex though.Being harsh and disconnected at the same time doesn't seem possible
When I first bought my RF97, it felt so uncomfortable & stiff I didn't pick it up again for a couple of years.
I gave it another chance recently and it now feels much better. Either the frame became less stiff with age or I had simply strung it at too high a tension when I first bought it.
Could strings/tension explain your experience with the 100D perhaps ?
OnePoint618
New User
My mistake I should have read your post more carefully !
I share your frustration with Yonex : they make some great frames but in my opinion the feedback/feel from the string bed is simply too mushy for my tastes. To use an analogy, hitting with the Yonex Ai98 and RDS001 of old was like trying to run with both your feet anaesthetised !
The frames are comfortable, stable, they offer a good combination of control and power and they seem to have a quality of engineering superior to other frames but its only when you hit with other racquets that you realise how much you are missing in terms of feel.Regarding the new Percept frames : I have heard from many different sources the Percept line has better/more feel than the preceding VCore Pro line. If there's any truth to that and even if the feel is not up there with the Head Gravity, the small improvement might be enough for me to give Yonex frames a chance again.
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