Well if Halep had won today, you can almost write your whole post for Wozniacki. It was great one of them won but a shame one had to lose.Aaaaaaaaand of course this had to happen.
I had pretty much figured it out since the "Fett escape" and the Kerber-Halep semi just confirmed it.
This is tough.
I won't be watching (women's) tennis for a while.
I feel the investment/reward ratio is a little bit unfair at this point, to be honest.
Whatever people say, I think Simona is quite unlucky.
Whenever I think Bartoli has a Wimbledon title (that her opponent just gave her in the final) and Simona has zero (zilch, nada), it just makes me wonder if there's any poetic justice in the world at all.
Of course, I'm trying to look at the big picture (it was a good tournament for her, yadda yadda), but even the fact that Halep lost the #1 spot seems somehow unfair and too tough to handle at the moment. It's almost like the worst thing possible than can ever happen to her at Grand Slam level always tends to happen.
I hope she has a word or two with Clijsters (my favourite player of the last few generations), a similarly nice person who lost her first 4 (!!!) major finals and then went on to win the same amount.
I can't be too optimistic for the future (like most people who are saying "oh, she'll eventually win a Slam") because she always plays close matches and I can never imagine her just cruising to any Slam title, and whenever a match gets tight I just imagine her losing the important points over and over again. I also fear she might be developing a trauma, especially now that she played well enough to win (or at least deserve it) and still lost (agonisingly). Sometimes it feels like there are just too many obstacles to overcome.
However, this has made me more philosophical, in a way.
Of course it hurts, but if you look at it closely, how incredibly human is Simona's story?
We're so used to worship and stories of linear, almost god-like success (Serena and Federer, for instance), and Halep provides another side of the tennis narrative of success.
Success is also a player who tries and tries and tries, and keeps trying.
There's such a huge range of emotions involved in being a Simona fan.
Being her fan is like a pathway to wisdom.
But it doesn’t work for Woz. She faced Kim and Serena, both of whom are simply better than her. Simona’s Slam finals matches were actually fairly winnable.Well if Halep had won today, you can almost write your whole post for Wozniacki. It was great one of them won but a shame one had to lose.
But it doesn’t work for Woz. She faced Kim and Serena, both of whom are simply better than her. Simona’s Slam finals matches were actually fairly winnable.
It wouldn’t feel so tragic if Simona lost all three finals to Serena.
Ouch! This one had to hurt for Halep fans. In how many slam finals is she going to come so close but no cigar? Credit to Halep for fighting hard until the end though. It could have gone either way. She's so close.
I do feel Simona can nab a slam, at least in Paris.It doesn't matter who Halep loses to. The better player on the day wins, it's that simple. In the past, it was Halep's mentality that was terrible. She choked away too many big matches. But in the past few months, Halep's mentality has been much improved and she has been trying to play more aggressively. Unfortunately, in Woznaicki, Halep came up against a player who is as good as she is defensively and a player who never gives up. It was a good battle by both. It's nice to see Wozniacki win a slam after all these years of hard work and a good attitude. Halep should have more chances in the future. Surely, you would think she will be able to nab a slam at some point in the future.
Both women belonged to the close but no cigar club before the match. Someone had to lose. Simona will have more chances I think.Ouch! This one had to hurt for Halep fans. In how many slam finals is she going to come so close but no cigar? Credit to Halep for fighting hard until the end though. It could have gone either way. She's so close.
I was basically neutral while watching this match, but dang, modern tennis players are really allergic to the net, Halep was very guilty of this today, it was terrible. She hit some beautiful shots that took Wozniacki way out of position and in my head I would already see her charging forward, only to realise she was still at the baseline hoping Woz wouldn't get to it or she would miss. A winner is a diagnosis made in retrospect, no matter how good a shot you hit, you MUST always assume it will come back and already have a plan for your next shot. I Halep's case, she has great defense, but not as good as Wozniacki's, which is why she should have charged the net more.
Agree completely. I don't care for the style of either player, and only watched the last 3 games of the match, all ow which SH lost, obviously. To me, she was luck to even be here, but it's interesting that literally the first time all day that she had a significant lead in the match-up 4-3 with a break-she won no more games, and that defensiveness you alluded to almost certainly contributed to that.
Agree completely. I don't care for the style of either player, and only watched the last 3 games of the match, all ow which SH lost, obviously. To me, she was luck to even be here, but it's interesting that literally the first time all day that she had a significant lead in the match-up 4-3 with a break-she won no more games, and that defensiveness you alluded to almost certainly contributed to that.
I thought that it was a good match with tremendous effort by both players. If we can't expect an all-court game from the next-gen men, how can we expect it from the WTA. It's been a long time since Steffi Graf.
Eh, Henin was an all court player. Serena knows how to use the entirety of the court when she wants to, too.
Don't need to go all the way back to Graf!![]()
Henin is the last female player to play with any style. It would be awesome if some new woman hit the scene and played the one hander, had unreal variety and could hit the big inside out forehand
Serena & Roger have 20 odd slams each-they know how to get over the line.
I guess you missed my last post. Serena and Roger are among the best if not the best players of all time. And no, the Simona that lost at RG is not the same player who just lost at AO. Not the same situation. I saw some real promise in this match. If you are not seeing it, it probably because you are defining her by her past. She is playing so much more aggressively than she was last year and she is starting to come to the net more than she has in the past.
I'm still sad about Simona.
She wasn't lucky to be there, unless one counts absence of Serena and Azarenka as "luck." She fought super hard to get there, through a draw much tougher than Wozniacki's.
I'm really not a fan of defensive tennis at all but I see in Simona potential to be better than that whereas Wozniacki's peak is what it is. Credit to her for improving on her serve and becoming better at controlled aggression but she'll forever be a boring golden retriever on court, more or less. Simona doesn't have to be. It's up to her.
I thought that it was a good match with tremendous effort by both players. If we can't expect an all-court game from the next-gen men, how can we expect it from the WTA. It's been a long time since Steffi Graf.
The short FH CC put away is what I am talking about .
Serves returns and rally balls are not always returned deeply . Both of them hugged the baseline and it is hard to find the short FH angle from there . If they moved in even 2 steps in front , instead of hitting deeper with a lesser angle they can go short with a finer angle that is impossible to get since the other player is in the baseline .
Serena can hit volleys but she doesn't have that natural motion like players of old or guys like Federer. I don't know if it's the big power of the newer racquets or if the women aren't using continental grips but I don't typically see that nice sharp knife on the volley.
Caroline markets herself quite well and seems to be a likable person. I think that all ATP and WTA players should do this to some extent. I know very little about Halep but I see Woz in some of my twitter feeds.
I saw what looks like advertising about sports psychology to buy CD'S etc. She actually needs somebody to work with her on a regular basis like O'Sullivan has in Snooker. The reality is that at 26 she likely doesn't have that long left at the top level of the game-she has lost three slam finals, two semis & five quarters in the last four & quarter seasons. It is obvious she has clinchers disease & needs outside help to overcome it.
And they both saved Match Points along the way! Halep saved three against Lauren Davis (Round 3) and two more against Kerber (Semi Final). Wozniacki saved two match points against Fett (Round 2).
I wonder what was the last GS final that both finalists saved MP?
The score was much closer than the match actually was. This was a dominant masterpiece performance from Wozniacki, and the outcome was never really in doubt.
Wozniacki played at an incredible level in the first set (except for her mental lapse when serving for the set). She painted the corners with windshield wiper tactic the entire set.
Halep was almost cooked by the end of the first set, since she had to do so much running to stay in points. Woz's level dropped off in the second enough for Halep to take it, but Woz made her work for it, and Halep was already running out of gas by the end of second. Even though Halep closed out the second, Woz (and anyone watching), knew that it didn't matter and that Wozniacki already had the match won. Halep pretty much had a fork in her by that point.
In the third, the level of both players was lower as the match turned into a physical battle, and the more physically fit player kept inflicting pain until the final tired miss from Halep. Woz was playing safer (further from corners), but still using the windshield wipers until the last ball.
PS. Why do these gals hit swinging volleys when a real overhead is the better tool?
Surviving a match point is, generally speaking, clutch, but, IMO, if you survive FIVE match points on the way to a Slam final, 3 of them against a vastly inferior player against whom you shouldn't have gotten into that position in the 1st place, and against whom you had a 15-13 life and death struggle, then you were lucky.
Agree that Caro appears to be a very likable person. Don't know much about twitter except that the king of twitter appears to be some eccentric head of state who is known in some circles as Mogul or POTUS (and has the initials DT). But from what I've seen in various videos and articles, Simona comes off even more likable than Caro. She is something of a rock star in Romania yet very family-oriented. I don't speak the language, but I've seen a few Romanian vids of her that yields some insight as to how popular she is there. Appears to be a very decent human being. She's been involved with quite a few charities in the recent past and has also worked several kids clinics -- in Romania, the US (Connecticut) and Asia (Singapore). Simona's game has apparently has been inspired by the likes of Henin and Federer.
https://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/...or-the-hills-to-support-charity-day-1-8021437
https://www.tennis-prose.com/bios/biofile-simona-halep-interview/
The score was much closer than the match actually was. This was a dominant masterpiece performance from Wozniacki, and the outcome was never really in doubt.
Wozniacki played at an incredible level in the first set (except for her mental lapse when serving for the set). She painted the corners with windshield wiper tactic the entire set.
Halep was almost cooked by the end of the first set, since she had to do so much running to stay in points. Woz's level dropped off in the second enough for Halep to take it, but Woz made her work for it, and Halep was already running out of gas by the end of second. Even though Halep closed out the second, Woz (and anyone watching), knew that it didn't matter and that Wozniacki already had the match won. Halep pretty much had a fork in her by that point.
In the third, the level of both players was lower as the match turned into a physical battle, and the more physically fit player kept inflicting pain until the final tired miss from Halep. Woz was playing safer (further from corners), but still using the windshield wipers until the last ball...
... PS. Why do these gals hit swinging volleys when a real overhead is the better tool?
That really wan't the link that I was looking for. I saw something about Simona's mental outlook in an article on the WTA site last year but can't seem to find it now. Also saw a few articles from UK papers/sites from last year that 'indicated that she has been working with a sports psychologist (and other sources say that she has been reading books on psychology herself for the past few years).
From what I saw in the AO final, Simona has come closer than she ever had previously to grabbing a slam title. In her post-match interview she indicated that she was very happy, overall, with the mental side of her game in the tournament this year. She felt that her body/pain let her down rather than her attitude in the final. What she said in that interview about the mental side of her game was pretty much what I observed from watching that match.
26+ is not really too late for her to achieve the elusive slam title. Woz has been on the tour for a year longer and just got her 1st slam title at 27.5 años. I believe that Bartoli and Li Na were around 29 or 30 before they earned slam titles. Note also that Kim Clijsters did not win a slam title until her 5th slam final (in addition to 3 other SF finishes).
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It might not have been easy to tell for the casual observer at that point, because that was when Halep was winning majority of the points; But I believe that Wozniacki sensed the high-percentage-of-victory opportunity and visibly changed her strategy mid-second set when it became obvious that Halep was gassed: she stopped going for the lines to play longer more physically taxing points, playing more margin but still alternating cross-court/down-the-line in the rallies to make Halep cover a lot of ground. Near the end of the second set, when Wozniacki was several points away from possible straight-sets victory, my thought at that point was that it didn't really matter whether Halep dug in and won the second set or not, because there was no chance she would be able to outlast Wozniacki in the third. Even when Halep won 3 games in a row in the middle of the third set to go up 4-3, it reminded me of those horror movies where the mortally wounded killer rises up one last time and staggers around before finally succumbing. Halep was doubling over with hands on her knees after every point. Of course Wozniacki could see that -- she stood tall and ready to return while waiting for Halep to serve, even on points she lost. Credit for Halep for not giving up, but this was not going to be her day.