Appearance Fees

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  1. prairiegirl

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    I have to admit that I'm very uninformed on this topic, but interested to know more. How does this work? Who gets them and why? How much do they get? And, why is this being allowed?
     
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  2. Im(moral) Winner

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    Tournaments below master level offer to the top ranked players/big names appearance fees if they wish so to get more spectators since playing those tournaments is optional.
     
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  3. EloQuent

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    Players get paid to attend non-required tournaments. As it stands now, the slams and masters (except for Monte Carlo) are mandatory, after that players need to play 4 ATP500 events, and generally play a handful of 250s for the money and points, but they can pick and choose which.
    Players who will help them sell tickets.
    Depends on the player, the big stars could be in the 7 digits, I think Jack Sock got 100k for Auckland?
    Because it was happening under the table anyway and eventually in the 90s they just gave up and allowed it
     
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  4. ollinger

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    why wouldn't it be???? Seems to be the case in most sports that different players get paid different amounts just for showing up.
     
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  5. Mack-2

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    Roger Federer got paid $2 mil to play in Miami. He ended up playing one match. It’s insane and I don’t like it but money is everything in the world right now and it’s not going to change anytime soon.


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  6. EloQuent

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    He got paid to play in a Masters? Source for that?
     
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  7. citybert

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    only maybe 10 players get fees. And yes they are usually a lot plus all expenses. It does help the tournament believe it or not. Has very little to do with ranking but more appeal. Kyrgios gets some and he is not highly ranked and Kournikova would get a ton too even tho she didnt have good results.
     
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  8. Tennisanity

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    Federer probably gets more than Nadal because he's more popular and more loved.
     
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  9. EloQuent

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    I wonder how much Nadal got to fly to Acapulco and pretend he was going to play.
     
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  10. Mack-2

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    It’s not mandatory for him to play in the Masters 1000’s anymore. He’s reached all the required fields to be able to have the choice. Good friend of mine who works in Crandon Park told me.


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  11. Backspin1183

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    That's your source?
     
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  12. Abhinandan

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    Players returning their appearance money wholly or partially is not uncommon too. I heard Sock refunded the whole of his appearance fee at Auckland afterva lackluster performance.
     
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    From redditor sloback

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/-/media/files/rulebook/2017/2017-atp-rulebook_chapter-i.pdf

    In short:

    A. A player’s number of ATP World Tour Masters 1000 commitment tournaments shall be reduced by one (1) tournament for reaching each of the following milestones:

    1) 600 matches (as of 1 January of the commitment year);

    2) 12 years of service;

    3) 30 years of age (as of 1 January of the commitment year).
     
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  14. ChaelAZ

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    Less than Fed to pretend he wouldn’t chicken out of the whole clay season.


    Probably posting from the court between sets.
     
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  15. Boom-Boom

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    and betterer
     
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  16. EloQuent

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    Oh please, everyone knew that Federer wasn't going to play clay.
     
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    Federer's agency Team8 is in competition with IMG who run the Miami masters, they have to pay him the big bucks to turn up to a rival sponsor's event.
     
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    Exactly, because he needs to betterer the H2H for stats. You're right! We knew he'd wuss out.
     
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  19. MrFlip

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    Players are offered $____________ amount split up by the amount of matches they play. Federer wouldn't get 2 million just for turning up to R2. No sane business person would negotiate that sort of deal.....

    He would get the full $2 million for making the final. R2 is probably around $600 000 - 750 000. If players got the full amount just for turning up to an event, there would be no incentive to perform well and many top players would tank R2.
     
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  20. EloQuent

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    .... which happens a lot actually
     
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    Jack Sock did that early in the season at auckland and they refused to pay him his 100K appearance fee. He was out of shape and disinterested in the whole event, didn't even do any media.

    You'd think tournaments would have a condition that the player has to show up to get their appearance fee.
     
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  22. Rattler

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    Sock got 100K and two Rolex watches...and if I remember correctly the tournament wanted their money and watches back.
     
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  23. MrFlip

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    Yep. Why new rules in slams to stop top seeds milking prize money when they're injured etc. Still can't prove lack of effort, most top seeds who lose early choke, coming off the back of some smaller tournament success.

    Have ATP done something similar? I would say not because they need as much star power spread across every ATP tournament possible. Better to have some uninterested out of shape top player turn up, sell a few seats and still lose. Slams are guaranteed to fill seats no matter what.
     
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  24. Firstservingman

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    Allowed?

    Well, these guys are basically their own businesses. They hit balls for money. If you want to hire them to entertain your audience and make you a profit then you should pay what they charge for their services.
    Perfectly fair.
     
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  25. Firstservingman

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    Or maybe it's so he can win Wimbledon again while everyone else wastes their time and energy trying for months to beat Nadal on clay.
     
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  26. Fedforever

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    Stan also asked for his appearance fee to go to charity after withdrawing from the tournament in Marseille.
     
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  27. Fedforever

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    You don't actually believe that so why say it?

    No rational person would believe Federer (or indeed any other player) cares more about H to H than winning tournaments. Nadal also has been open about preferring easier opponents if possible. That's completely normal. I doubt either Fed or Nadal care whether they ever play each other again, certainly they wouldn't put it ahead of winning tournaments.

    This is the worst thing about anonymity in forums - that people would sooner look like fanboys than intelligent people. And yes. I put Fed fans saying "clay is unimportant" in the same category
     
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