Approach Shot

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I wrote this a few years ago for Ezine Articles:

In the early 1990's, I attended my first Professional Tennis Registry (PTR) training session in Lacey, Washington. The instructor introduced me to a terrific slice approach shot. He consistently hit shots deep into the court that stayed so low they were almost impossible to retrieve. He gave me the opportunity to demonstrate the shot and it was difficult for me to get the shot to consistently clear the net. Especially, if someone dropped a shot very close to the net with almost no pace on the ball.
To produce an effective baseline forehand stroke, I start with my weight on my back foot and then I smoothly transfer my weight to my front just before making contact with the ball. If I were to use this technique near the net, I would have trouble getting the ball to clear the net, because it seems to rise much too slowly. The technique my PTR instructor taught me solved the problem. However, I had to make one adjustment; I decided to use topspin rather than a slice stroke for my approach shot. The instructor taught me to put my weight on my back foot (my dominant foot, because it is on the same side as my dominant hand); but instead of smoothly transferring my weight to my front foot, he taught me to jump off of my back foot, kick out with my front foot, and strike the tennis ball while I am airborne. The glide-hop motion would be akin to a lazy man's track hurdling technique.
Over the years, I have successfully hit balls that have dropped as close as 3 to 5 feet from the net. When you use this approach shot, it gives you supreme confidence in your ability to win points. You will be able to hit blistering approach shots that give your opponent little time to recover. Always hit your approach shots down the line so that you can effectively bisect the angle of your opponent's passing shots.
To practice this approach shot technique, you need to stand in your normal forehand position and raise your non-dominant foot (the foot on the same side as your non-dominant hand) about 12 inches in the air. Find a spot on the court approximately five feet in front of where you are standing. This will be your landing spot. Jump from your present location to the landing spot. Your non-dominant foot should land squarely on the spot with your body weight still moving forward. If you jump and land basically in the same spot, then the shot would have been done incorrectly and you will over hit the ball causing it to land out-of-bounds. The actual contact with the ball has to be made while you are airborne and moving toward the net. The more distance you cover, like a track long jumper, the more successful the shot will be.
My approach shot has given me a license to kill. A license to kill tennis balls that is. After sitting in an office all day, I don't want to be nice to tennis balls, not even the ones landing near the net. If you follow this technique your approach shot will become beyond reproach. Most of your opponents will think twice about dropping the ball short when playing you. This precaution will not just be for their own sake, but also for the sake of the poor little tennis ball.


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This is from my experience and I am not trying to take credit for any new tennis paradigm

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How do you hit the ball that drops within five feet of the net when the shot requires five feet of jumping distance?
 
You tennis guys would make great lawyers...cross examinations are excellent...every minute I have to prove I am a credible witness to my words

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I wrote this a few years ago for Ezine Articles:

In the early 1990's, I attended my first Professional Tennis Registry (PTR) training session in Lacey, Washington. The instructor introduced me to a terrific slice approach shot. He consistently hit shots deep into the court that stayed so low they were almost impossible to retrieve. He gave me the opportunity to demonstrate the shot and it was difficult for me to get the shot to consistently clear the net. Especially, if someone dropped a shot very close to the net with almost no pace on the ball.

All other things being equal, I have to open my racquet face more [to get more angle upward] and hit it more softly so that that increased loft doesn't cause the ball to go long.

How high is the ball when you make contact? Below knee height?

To produce an effective baseline forehand stroke, I start with my weight on my back foot and then I smoothly transfer my weight to my front just before making contact with the ball. If I were to use this technique near the net, I would have trouble getting the ball to clear the net, because it seems to rise much too slowly. The technique my PTR instructor taught me solved the problem. However, I had to make one adjustment; I decided to use topspin rather than a slice stroke for my approach shot. The instructor taught me to put my weight on my back foot (my dominant foot, because it is on the same side as my dominant hand); but instead of smoothly transferring my weight to my front foot, he taught me to jump off of my back foot, kick out with my front foot, and strike the tennis ball while I am airborne. The glide-hop motion would be akin to a lazy man's track hurdling technique.

If you jump, it will be that much more difficult hitting a low ball, which is the scenario I envisioned from your description ["I would have trouble getting the ball to clear the net, because it seems to rise much too slowly"; this wouldn't be a problem with a high ball]. Jumping I would think would exacerbate your problem of clearing the net and not going long?

I'm having trouble visualizing how this stroke would work. Any clips you can reference?

I'm familiar with the hop where you push off with your back foot but you don't kick out with the front.

Over the years, I have successfully hit balls that have dropped as close as 3 to 5 feet from the net.

Doesn't that make it more of a drop shot than an approach? In the beginning, you explained that the demonstrator's approaches were so good in part because they went deep. Hitting so the shot lands 3' from the net seems like it would land short.

When you use this approach shot, it gives you supreme confidence in your ability to win points. You will be able to hit blistering approach shots that give your opponent little time to recover. Always hit your approach shots down the line so that you can effectively bisect the angle of your opponent's passing shots.

I agree that DTL is best from a geometry standpoint. However, if that means I'm hitting to his FH and his FH is considerably better than his BH, maybe I want to go CC to his BH.

At the very least, I don't want to "always" do something because then my opponent can anticipate what I'm about to do. The exception is if the tactic works more often than not; then I don't care if I'm being predictable.

To practice this approach shot technique, you need to stand in your normal forehand position and raise your non-dominant foot (the foot on the same side as your non-dominant hand) about 12 inches in the air. Find a spot on the court approximately five feet in front of where you are standing. This will be your landing spot. Jump from your present location to the landing spot. Your non-dominant foot should land squarely on the spot with your body weight still moving forward. If you jump and land basically in the same spot, then the shot would have been done incorrectly and you will over hit the ball causing it to land out-of-bounds. The actual contact with the ball has to be made while you are airborne and moving toward the net. The more distance you cover, like a track long jumper, the more successful the shot will be.
My approach shot has given me a license to kill. A license to kill tennis balls that is. After sitting in an office all day, I don't want to be nice to tennis balls, not even the ones landing near the net. If you follow this technique your approach shot will become beyond reproach. Most of your opponents will think twice about dropping the ball short when playing you. This precaution will not just be for their own sake, but also for the sake of the poor little tennis ball.

Sounds fairly complicated; a demo would be nice. I can't recall any high-level player executing this so I have no reference.
 
All other things being equal, I have to open my racquet face more [to get more angle upward] and hit it more softly so that that increased loft doesn't cause the ball to go long.

How high is the ball when you make contact? Below knee height?



If you jump, it will be that much more difficult hitting a low ball, which is the scenario I envisioned from your description ["I would have trouble getting the ball to clear the net, because it seems to rise much too slowly"; this wouldn't be a problem with a high ball]. Jumping I would think would exacerbate your problem of clearing the net and not going long?

I'm having trouble visualizing how this stroke would work. Any clips you can reference?

I'm familiar with the hop where you push off with your back foot but you don't kick out with the front.



Doesn't that make it more of a drop shot than an approach? In the beginning, you explained that the demonstrator's approaches were so good in part because they went deep. Hitting so the shot lands 3' from the net seems like it would land short.



I agree that DTL is best from a geometry standpoint. However, if that means I'm hitting to his FH and his FH is considerably better than his BH, maybe I want to go CC to his BH.

At the very least, I don't want to "always" do something because then my opponent can anticipate what I'm about to do. The exception is if the tactic works more often than not; then I don't care if I'm being predictable.



Sounds fairly complicated; a demo would be nice. I can't recall any high-level player executing this so I have no reference.
Doesn't matter...I am catching all balls on the rise...so I can hit at same spot each time..can't wait on it to bounce rise and drop..I am acting like a baseball shortstop ..a blistering deep groundstrokes holds me back. .but a moderate speed shot in no man's land...I am coming in

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Doesn't matter...I am catching all balls on the rise...so I can hit at same spot each time..can't wait on it to bounce rise and drop..I am acting like a baseball shortstop ..a blistering deep groundstrokes holds me back. .but a moderate speed shot in no man's land...I am coming in

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The technique works...so it's not complicated..it's doable...used it for more than 15 years

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Doesn't matter...I am catching all balls on the rise...so I can hit at same spot each time..can't wait on it to bounce rise and drop..I am acting like a baseball shortstop ..a blistering deep groundstrokes holds me back. .but a moderate speed shot in no man's land...I am coming in

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The jumping seems to make the ball clear the net and come down faster

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Doesn't matter...I am catching all balls on the rise...

That contradicts what you originally wrote: "it was difficult for me to get the shot to consistently clear the net. Especially, if someone dropped a shot very close to the net with almost no pace on the ball."

This implies you are late getting to the ball which means it's falling after the bounce making it impossible to take it on the rise. If you had enough time to get there to take the ball on the rise, you could simply wait a bit longer so the ball is higher when you contact it and then you wouldn't have a problem clearing the net.

Either that or I'm not understanding what you're describing.
 
The jumping seems to make the ball clear the net and come down faster

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TS makes the ball come down closer to the net; jumping would only help if it allowed you to hit more TS. If anything, I would think jumping would hinder you because it would be more difficult to get under the ball compared to if you were on the ground and able to bend your knees to get lower.
 
TS makes the ball come down closer to the net; jumping would only help if it allowed you to hit more TS. If anything, I would think jumping would hinder you because it would be more difficult to get under the ball compared to if you were on the ground and able to bend your knees to get lower.
Well your speculation is valid if you fail to follow my procedure...but if you do it right ,follow my instructions and preferably hit with flatspin while you are jumping...it works just fine

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That contradicts what you originally wrote: "it was difficult for me to get the shot to consistently clear the net. Especially, if someone dropped a shot very close to the net with almost no pace on the ball."

This implies you are late getting to the ball which means it's falling after the bounce making it impossible to take it on the rise. If you had enough time to get there to take the ball on the rise, you could simply wait a bit longer so the ball is higher when you contact it and then you wouldn't have a problem clearing the net.

Either that or I'm not understanding what you're describing.
it was difficult for me to get the shot to consistently clear the net. Especially, if someone dropped a shot very close to the net with almost no pace on the ball."

This before I developed this shot..and if I got there...I was afraid to hit with a lot of pace that close to the net.. but after developing this shot, not afraid to hit it hard...before and after getting there was never the problem. Hitting it with pace was the problem

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The OP is not describing the shot right. But it is actually a right shot. The right technique. You can hit a falling ball at 1 foot from the ground inside the service line hard and deep into a corner. My kids coach taught him the same thing years ago. There is a specific posture on the finish to train it.

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The OP is not describing the shot right. But it is actually a right shot. The right technique. You can hit a falling ball at 1 foot from the ground inside the service line hard and deep into a corner. My kids coach taught him the same thing years ago. There is a specific posture on the finish to train it.

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What does OP mean?

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Make "hit it deep and move forward" as long and complicated as possible to make yourself look like a professor of English and tennis.
 
Make "hit it deep and move forward" as long and complicated as possible to make yourself look like a professor of English and tennis.
You are wrong. I can type it all and describe it and make you look foolish. But I won't. Too much to type. Just because you don't know the specific technique and how to train it doesn't mean its not real. Its how they train the kids at the academies.

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Make "hit it deep and move forward" as long and complicated as possible to make yourself look like a professor of English and tennis.
What about..."hit it deep as you move forward in the air ?"

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You are wrong. I can type it all and describe it and make you look foolish. But I won't. Too much to type. Just because you don't know the specific technique and how to train it doesn't mean its not real. Its how they train the kids at the academies.

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Are you saying that I have exceeded the level of my incompetence? HAHA

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Are you saying that I have exceeded the level of my incompetence? HAHA

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Lol. I understood what you were describing. As it is what the tennis academy coaches teach at the academy my kid trains at does. Its not a obvious nuance most people here have insight to. Wonder how all the top juniors, college players and of course atp pros never miss a short shoe string shot? There is an actual method.

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The actual fact of the matter is this. You are only aiming for direction. Not depth. You are not trying to generate spin. From that position on court (inside service line) and typical height of contact of about 12 inches from the ground it can only land deep. The net clearance is under 6 inches. The specific footwork and flow can only generate this one specific shot type.

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The jumping seems to make the ball clear the net and come down faster

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I don’t think the jumping has anything to do with net clearance and the ball coming down faster. That’s just more topspin generated by faster racquet head speed. The jumping is a way of maintaining your momentum as you approach the net.
 
I don’t think the jumping has anything to do with net clearance and the ball coming down faster. That’s just more topspin generated by faster racquet head speed. The jumping is a way of maintaining your momentum as you approach the net.
I cannot prove it...just a guess ..I do better jumping than not jumping

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The actual fact of the matter is this. You are only aiming for direction. Not depth. You are not trying to generate spin. From that position on court (inside service line) and typical height of contact of about 12 inches from the ground it can only land deep. The net clearance is under 6 inches. The specific footwork and flow can only generate this one specific shot type.

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Obviously, you never PLAYED S/V.
Depth is utmost important, where along the baseline secondary and varies.
 
Obviously, you never PLAYED S/V.
Depth is utmost important, where along the baseline secondary and varies.
Obviously you have more experience w s/v ...if hadn't been so broke down from basketball...I could have played this sport at a high level.. so everybody out there don't listen to me...I have not paid my dues...but fast and deep to my novice brain worked better when I was able to use this shot...and I used it all the time...against 4.5 and 5.0's...but that was a long time ago...hip replacements are unforgiving even at age 50...15 years ago when I had forward mobility..mhip replacements take away your side to side movement

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Obviously, you never PLAYED S/V.
Depth is utmost important, where along the baseline secondary and varies.
Its a physics issue. The ball can only land deep using this technique.

Has nothing to do with "Serve and volley". Its an approach shot off a short low ball. Or are you posting in the wrong thread?

Or are you serving from your own service line? Lol.

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You might not know this.
Players who S/V also hit many approach shots during matches.
Players who tend towards baseline rallies like to move forward to retrieve the short ball and then tend to move back towards the baseline.
 
Its a physics issue. The ball can only land deep using this technique.

Has nothing to do with "Serve and volley". Its an approach shot off a short low ball. Or are you posting in the wrong thread?

Or are you serving from your own service line? Lol.

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Well somebody needs to inform the ball of that because it does

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Am I being ridiculed? Please let me in on it

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I get it..i am a know it all just because I share my ideas and defend them...
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Well everybody..i know my place now...there is no discussion...you just dictate to me what works and what doesn't ..you don't test ideas..you just condemn...I tell you I have done it...you tell me no you haven't..you only think that you have.. no wonder this is a dying sport..nobody can tell you elitist anything..you simply know it all

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You might not know this.
Players who S/V also hit many approach shots during matches.
Players who tend towards baseline rallies like to move forward to retrieve the short ball and then tend to move back towards the baseline.
Yet this thread is not about serve and volley.

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Are you talking about something like this? (the link takes you straight to the part of the video I'm referencing)


Your style of writing and the terms you choose to use are unfamiliar to most of us here. Perhaps you do know what you're talking about, but it doesn't translate clearly which is obviously causing issues among the people who are taking the time to read and try to understand you.

I'm reminded of an interesting lesson in communication I came across a while back:

People were asked to think of a popular song and tap the melody on the table while another person was asked to try to identify the song. Very few people were able to identify the song, yet the song was playing clearly in the tapper's mind. The moral of the story is that people cannot hear the song playing in your head and if you only give them the melody without notes, they won't understand, even if they themselves know the song. You have to be able to communicate enough information clearly in a way that makes it effective.

May I humbly suggest you begin to upload your videos to youtube and perhaps enlist the help of another person to help you demonstrate the ideas you'd like to share with us? Write your descriptions of the stroke first and use them as notes to highlight the parts of your video that make them unique to your style and perhaps your knowledge will translate to us better.
 
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Are you talking about something like this? (the link takes you straight to the part of the video I'm referencing)


Your style of writing and the terms you choose to use are unfamiliar to most of us here. Perhaps you do know what you're talking about, but it doesn't translate clearly which is obviously causing issues among the people who are taking the time to read and try to understand you.

I'm reminded of an interesting lesson in communication I came across a while back:

People were asked to think of a popular song and tap the melody on the table while another person was asked to try to identify the song. Very few people were able to identify the song, yet the song was playing clearly in the tapper's mind. The moral of the story is that people cannot hear the song playing in your head and if you only give them the melody without notes, they won't understand, even if they themselves know the song. You have to be able to communicate enough information clearly in a way that makes it effective.

May I humbly suggest you begin to upload your videos to youtube and perhaps enlist the help of another person to help you demonstrate the ideas you'd like to share with us? Write your descriptions of the stroke first and use them as notes to highlight the parts of your video that make them unique to your style and perhaps your knowledge will translate to us better.
I didn't watch OP video.

What I am describing is ball inside baseline 12 inch or less from ground.

This vid is behind baseline hit chest high.

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I didn't watch OP video.

What I am describing is ball inside baseline 12 inch or less from ground.

This vid is behind baseline hit chest high.

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If you reverse the video a bit they give different techniques for low, mid and high balls, but the techniques shown for low and mid balls don't really match the OP's description as I understand it. The one they demonstrate for mid height balls is the image I have in my head of what most pros use most often, but again, it doesn't jive with the OP.
 
If you reverse the video a bit they give different techniques for low, mid and high balls, but the techniques shown for low and mid balls don't really match the OP's description as I understand it. The one they demonstrate for mid height balls is the image I have in my head of what most pros use most often, but again, it doesn't jive with the OP.
Those guys are the best. So I know they are right. Don't need to watch it.

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Please excuse me for posting this thread...I tried to pull a fast one on you guys and you exposed for the fraud I am.

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