appropriate add for babolat in light of sandy hook

[Pro_Tour_630]

Then I will take that.....give me the guy with the knive. I will take my chances with him over the guy with the Bush Master shooting all those bullets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCDIfxHcJkw
take your chance with this guy, an IPSIC competition shooter with a semi auto pistol with only 8 rounds, changed into 100 in a matter of seconds,,,,,,,,,,, please give me the numbnut with the bushmaster with 30 rounds I say

 

[Alohajrtennis]

As far as folks that say every law abiding person should carry a gun to make us safer, I do not buy that. Where would you have it at the beach? At the pool? While coaching a kid and showing them a sport? When the gun man all wear body armor, then what? When the gun men have the element of surprise like they always do and an assault rifle, then what? When trained law enforcement people many times do not take the shot because of all the chaos and bystanders, how are we going to expect average people to start firing at guys with assault rifles in a crowd?

It's more of a deterrent affect. Mass shooters tend to be cowards. Like Virginia Tech, which was a 'gun free' zone, that designation means nothing to the shooter, might as well put up a sign instead that says 'free fire' zone. Mass shooters always go after defenseless targets, when was the last time you heard of one walking into a police station ? After each shooting, we seem to reemphasize to potential shooters that schools are the softest of soft targets and we intend to keep them that way.

The week before the shooting, there was actually an 'attempted' mass shooting at a mall in Oregon. I say attempted becuase 'only' two people were killed. What was buried by the media was that the shooter turned the gun on himself when confronted by a civilian with a gun. Had it not been for that person, the body count would have have been much higher. This has not been widely reported becuase it does not fit the medias narrative.

I cannot take seriously people like Mayor Bloomberg calling for gun control while surrounded by a security team all carrying shoulder holstered Glocks. I mean, if he really thinks guns don't deter potential shooters, what does he need them for anyway ? I think we can find money to pay for security at schools, all we have to do is stop all funding for security for congress members and politicians in general. What's good for the goose is good for the gander I say. What's worth protecting more, our children or our politicians ?

The largest mass shooter in history I believe was Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik. Norway is a country with much stricter gun control than the US, but he was still able to get weapon and as with most shooters went after a soft target.

We need to stop all this 'gun free' zone nonsense, stop trying to to stop law abiding people from defending themselves, and others, and fix our mental health care system, which aside from the shooter himself, seems to be the next in line for culpability, way ahead of Babolat.

Back to the Ad, I still think it stinks, but iI think its closer to Wiley E. Cayote cartoon 'violence' than Call of Duty.

 

[Pro_Tour_630]

It's more of a deterrent affect. Mass shooters tend to be cowards. Like Virginia Tech, which was a 'gun free' zone, that designation means nothing to the shooter, might as well put up a sign instead that says 'free fire' zone. Mass shooters always go after defenseless targets, when was the last time you heard of one walking into a police station ? After each shooting, we seem to reemphasize to potential shooters that schools are the softest of soft targets and we intend to keep them that way.

The week before the shooting, there was actually an 'attempted' mass shooting at a mall in Oregon. I say attempted becuase 'only' two people were killed. What was buried by the media was that the shooter turned the gun on himself when confronted by a civilian with a gun. Had it not been for that person, the body count would have have been much higher. This has not been widely reported becuase it does not fit the medias narrative.

I cannot take seriously people like Mayor Bloomberg calling for gun control while surrounded by a security team all carrying shoulder holstered Glocks. I mean, if he really thinks guns don't deter potential shooters, what does he need them for anyway ? I think we can find money to pay for security at schools, all we have to do is stop all funding for security for congress members and politicians in general. What's good for the goose is good for the gander I say. What's worth protecting more, our children or our politicians ?

The largest mass shooter in history I believe was Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik. Norway is a country with much stricter gun control than the US, but he was still able to get weapon and as with most shooters went after a soft target.

We need to stop all this 'gun free' zone nonsense, stop trying to to stop law abiding people from defending themselves, and others, and fix our mental health care system, which aside from the shooter himself, seems to be the next in line for culpability, way ahead of Babolat.

Back to the Ad, I still think it stinks, but iI think its closer to Wiley E. Cayote cartoon 'violence' than Call of Duty.

agree mostly,

but

the cayote is banned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul5GrJ6TqYY

 

[TCF]

It's more of a deterrent affect. Mass shooters tend to be cowards. Like Virginia Tech, which was a 'gun free' zone, that designation means nothing to the shooter, might as well put up a sign instead that says 'free fire' zone. Mass shooters always go after defenseless targets, when was the last time you heard of one walking into a police station ? After each shooting, we seem to reemphasize to potential shooters that schools are the softest of soft targets and we intend to keep them that way.

The week before the shooting, there was actually an 'attempted' mass shooting at a mall in Oregon. I say attempted becuase 'only' two people were killed. What was buried by the media was that the shooter turned the gun on himself when confronted by a civilian with a gun. Had it not been for that person, the body count would have have been much higher. This has not been widely reported becuase it does not fit the medias narrative.

I cannot take seriously people like Mayor Bloomberg calling for gun control while surrounded by a security team all carrying shoulder holstered Glocks. I mean, if he really thinks guns don't deter potential shooters, what does he need them for anyway ? I think we can find money to pay for security at schools, all we have to do is stop all funding for security for congress members and politicians in general. What's good for the goose is good for the gander I say. What's worth protecting more, our children or our politicians ?

The largest mass shooter in history I believe was Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik. Norway is a country with much stricter gun control than the US, but he was still able to get weapon and as with most shooters went after a soft target.

We need to stop all this 'gun free' zone nonsense, stop trying to to stop law abiding people from defending themselves, and others, and fix our mental health care system, which aside from the shooter himself, seems to be the next in line for culpability, way ahead of Babolat.

Back to the Ad, I still think it stinks, but iI think its closer to Wiley E. Cayote cartoon 'violence' than Call of Duty.

I could not disagree more. I think exactly the opposite. The gun manufacturers have propagated this nonsense.

Guys go into police stations and shoot. These guys are all suicidal. They wear body armor.

The more guns is better is simply wrong. Its impossible to have guns in amusement parks on rides, beaches, pools, coaching kids on the 10000000 fields across America.

Sorry, common sense.....a hand gun in the home and a hunting rifle used for hunting. Thats all the guns needed using common sense.

It has nothing to do with ads or movies or games. Violent movies and games are world wide yet we have the most gun violence. Its the dumb gun culture that took something common sense like home protection and hunting into insanity.

 

[TCF]

when was the last time you heard of one walking into a police station ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8cA3Ky0cgQ

http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/man-shoots-3-cops-in-police-station-then-killed-by-police/

The reason they do not go into police stations is obvious, because there are LESS targets.

A mass shooter needs masses.

 

[TCF]

The largest mass shooter in history I believe was Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik. Norway is a country with much stricter gun control than the US, but he was still able to get weapon and as with most shooters went after a soft target.

So what? Whats Norways TOTAL DEATHS due to gun violence compared to ours. Not the ONE incident, the TOTAL??

 

[WoodIndoors]

Am I missing something or was there someone seriously proposing that more people carrying more assault riffles would prevent these shootings?

If I try to imagine myself in a situation where some lunatic opens fire, I´d rather choose to be around a competent guy with a sniper riffle that some old lady with an AK-47. Am I in minority here?

Place where I live there was not so long a go a gang shooting where there was bazooka used. Criminals can quite easily get those also...what´s the difference?

 

[TCF]

Aloha....did you know an armed deputy was at Columbine? He did not shoot because he could not get a good shot into that gymnasium. Did you know several people at Gabby Giffords had guns? They did not shoot because they could not get a good shot.

A mass shooter wears body armor, they have surprise, and they have a high powered weapon and high capacity clips. They have chaos and people running all over.

This is not a movie. You, nor I, trained with our handguns, are going to get a shot off at a guy wearing body armor with people running and screaming all around us.

Thats just silliness to think a rent a cop with a hand gun is going to get a shot at a guy in armor with a high powered gun with school kids and teachers running in front of him.

 

[Alohajrtennis]

So what? Whats Norways TOTAL DEATHS due to gun violence compared to ours. Not the ONE incident, the TOTAL??

Why just compare deaths due to gun violence? Dead is dead. This is sort of like the hate crime nonsense.

 

[TCF]

Why just compare deaths due to gun violence? Dead is dead. This is sort of like the hate crime nonsense.

Ummm...huh? Are you aware of another way people kill multiple people daily in America or Norway that even approaches using guns? And isn't this debate about guns.

The question is on the table. Please compare the total number of violent deaths in Norway to America.

 

[TCF]

By the way guys, sort of a thread that will lead to nothing but trouble as we are just showing our political leanings, which the moderators frown upon. I listen to all sides, equal time to Fox and equal time to MSNBC.

Those who listen to Fox or Rush are simply regurgitating back the same exact talking points I hear there, same with those who watch MSNBC. Nothing original from either side here.

So I am going to hop off this one and get back into tennis.

 

[BMC9670]

that is the point we are banning guns just because they look scary

No, we should ban certain types of guns because they serve no other purpose but to cause mass destruction. No one needs semi and automatic weapons. You can hunt, shoot targets, and protect your home and your person effectively without semi and automatic weapons.

Look, I'm OK with the 2nd Amendment, but what was the technology when it was written? One shot, two shot guns that took how long to re-load? What was going on politically at the time - post-revolutionary war. Times have changed, and we must change with them.

Thomas Jefferson, who helped write the second amendment and was a supporter of arms for a militia and self-defense foresaw that his and his peers' work would need to evolve with progress. Here is a quote from the walls of the Jefferson memorial:

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

 

[BMC9670]

The largest mass shooter in history I believe was Anders Behring Breivik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik. Norway is a country with much stricter gun control than the US, but he was still able to get weapon and as with most shooters went after a soft target.

Please read up on this. The shooter went through years of trying to acquire weapons from other countries. Ironically got his ammo clips from....the US.

The target was not chosen because it was "soft". It was politically motivated. He had issue with a political party which sponsored the camp and many of that party's children were in attendance.

Point is, you can't stop everything, everywhere, but overall, the US has by far the biggest problem. There is a big difference in a country where a mass killing happens once in a century vs multiple times a year.

 

[kimbahpnam]

i think it's inappropriate because roddick's retired -_-

 

[Number1Coach]

I will give you an example

do you know the difference between these two guns, and which on should we ban A or B?

which one of these guns shoots the bullet that does not kill ? Also if one holds 10 bullets and the other hold 15 which is better 10 dead people or 15 ?BTW if I am wanting to take someone out give me the hunting rifle more accurate at doing what it is meant to do do kill big animals that are harder to kill then humans !!!!

 

[BMC9670]

which one of these guns shoots the bullet that does not kill ? Also if one holds 10 bullets and the other hold 15 which is better 10 dead people or 15 ?BTW if I am wanting to take someone out give me the hunting rifle more accurate at doing what it is meant to do do kill big animals that are harder to kill then humans !!!!

I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but now that I look at them, the one above holds, what, 2 rounds and has to be manually re-loaded? The one below looks like it has a clip with, what, 30 rounds and you can slam a new clip in in a second?

So, if a crazy person with the worst intentions gets a hold of one of these, either by buying it or stealing it from someone else, he could do far more damage with B. No?

 

[Number1Coach]

I'm no expert so correct me if I'm wrong, but now that I look at them, the one above holds, what, 2 rounds and has to be manually re-loaded? The one below looks like it has a clip with, what, 30 rounds and you can slam a new clip in in a second?

So, if a crazy person with the worst intentions gets a hold of one of these, either by buying it or stealing it from someone else, he could do far more damage with B. No?

You fell for the argument I am trying to prove ,think about whats better 2 dead people lets say 2 of your family members or 10 people you dont know ?

See to me life is important may it be 1 person its a tragedy so I hope you get my thought on how many bullets a gun holds does not matter , If someone took my son out in a drive by or at a mall I would be crushed .

 

[Alohajrtennis]

Please read up on this. The shooter went through years of trying to acquire weapons from other countries. Ironically got his ammo clips from....the US.

The target was not chosen because it was "soft". It was politically motivated. He had issue with a political party which sponsored the camp and many of that party's children were in attendance.

He was a paranoid schizophrenic. This manifested itself in hatred of a political party. He could have walked into the office building after he car bombed it and started shooting but that would have gotten himself killed, instead he headed for the summer camp, which was unprotected. While he used high capacity clips, the fact is he could have walked around reloading a six shooter revolver and do the same amount of damage, it just would have taken him longer. There was nobody there to stop him.

I am joining TCF on this one, sorry I jumped in.

 

[BMC9670]

You fell for the argument I am trying to prove ,think about whats better 2 dead people lets say 2 of your family members or 10 people you dont know ?

See to me life is important may it be 1 person its a tragedy so I hope you get my thought on how many bullets a gun holds does not matter , If someone took my son out in a drive by or at a mall I would be crushed .

I get what you're saying and agree. One death is too many, and I can't imagine if this happened to one of mine. But the problem is there in society and to begin to fix it, you have to start with the most destructive parts of it.

 

[TW Staff]

Turning political. Thread closed.