Are D2, D3, NAIA still 8 game pro sets for dubs, 9 points total?

[jcgatennismom]

We all know D1 scoring has changed. In looking at box scores, it seems like the other divisions are counting each dubs match as a point and playing the 8 game pro set. Is that correct for dual match and conference playoffs? Do they play ad or no ad? I can't tell from box scores.Obviously dubs is bigger for those divisions, since it counts for 1/3 the points vs 1/7 the points for D1. Of course in a tight match 1 point can be key, and winning the dubs point in D1 gives a team momentum.

When a D1 team plays a non D1 team does it automatically revert to the D1 format of 7 points, short dubs, no ads? I looked at a few D1/d2 matches and that seemed right, but then I saw that GGC (NAIA) played Citadel (D1), and GGC won 9-0 so I guess they played the non D1 format. Maybe the better or higher ranked team gets to decide... Speaking of Citadel, it is crazy how many matches they play-think they have 35-40 for the spring, and it looks like they play everybody from 5 SEC/ACC teams to D3, to D2, to NAIA, rather schizophrenic schedule from 0-7 to 7-0 matches flipping from ACC/SEC to D3/D2/NAIA . They have already played 17 matches, only 1 at home, and no conference matches yet.

While the ranked D1 teams do not seem to play out of division, a lot of mid majors play a couple D2/NAIA matches a year at the beginning of their season. Citadel seems to be an exception to play so many out of division.

 

[NoChance]

In matches involving teams from different divisions, the rules that govern the home team apply, unless something else is agreed to beforehand. If the two coaches agree to something, that is what happens.

Outside of D-1, everyone else is playing the eight-game pro set for doubles.

 

[gino]

We all know D1 scoring has changed. In looking at box scores, it seems like the other divisions are counting each dubs match as a point and playing the 8 game pro set. Is that correct for dual match and conference playoffs? Do they play ad or no ad? I can't tell from box scores.Obviously dubs is bigger for those divisions, since it counts for 1/3 the points vs 1/7 the points for D1. Of course in a tight match 1 point can be key, and winning the dubs point in D1 gives a team momentum.

When a D1 team plays a non D1 team does it automatically revert to the D1 format of 7 points, short dubs, no ads? I looked at a few D1/d2 matches and that seemed right, but then I saw that GGC (NAIA) played Citadel (D1), and GGC won 9-0 so I guess they played the non D1 format. Maybe the better or higher ranked team gets to decide... Speaking of Citadel, it is crazy how many matches they play-think they have 35-40 for the spring, and it looks like they play everybody from 5 SEC/ACC teams to D3, to D2, to NAIA, rather schizophrenic schedule from 0-7 to 7-0 matches flipping from ACC/SEC to D3/D2/NAIA . They have already played 17 matches, only 1 at home, and no conference matches yet.

While the ranked D1 teams do not seem to play out of division, a lot of mid majors play a couple D2/NAIA matches a year at the beginning of their season. Citadel seems to be an exception to play so many out of division.

As an Assistant Coach for a current NCAA D3 program, I'm pretty familiar with the rules. We (and all of NCAA D3 tennis) play a 9 point format. 3 doubles matches (an eight game pro set) each accounting for one point. The remaining 6 points are the top six singles matches. We often throw out 7-8 singles and 4 doubles to give our bench players some run on the court. I like the 9 point format, however, it's outdated. It places a HUGE emphasis on doubles, forming teams that have good chemistry, and making sure you players are comfortable at net. Will be interesting to see what the NCAA employs next, I am just enjoying the ride! Go Panthers

 

[jcgatennismom]

Do all the divisions outside D1 still play ads or not? With ads, when there are two evenly matched players,it is a fight to see who has the talent and mental strength to win 2 points in a row and take the game. Watching juniors, I have seen multiple 5+ deuce games in 3-3.5 hour 3 set matches.I have seen some straight set matches last close to 3 hours-those 7-6. 7-6 battles. With no ads, I wonder is it luck or mental strength that wins that last point at 40-40 as every player is going to make some errors, and some will be at deuce point. Of course, the no ad proponents will argue, that mentally stronger player will win most of the points under deuce point pressure.

I agree with most posters on the college forum that the D1 changes made dubs too short. Watching singles ads or no ads can be a grindfest, but dubs is always fun to watch, and if you are late to turning on the livestreaming or late to a real match, you miss dubs.

 

[Nacho]

We all know D1 scoring has changed. In looking at box scores, it seems like the other divisions are counting each dubs match as a point and playing the 8 game pro set. Is that correct for dual match and conference playoffs? Do they play ad or no ad? I can't tell from box scores.Obviously dubs is bigger for those divisions, since it counts for 1/3 the points vs 1/7 the points for D1. Of course in a tight match 1 point can be key, and winning the dubs point in D1 gives a team momentum.

When a D1 team plays a non D1 team does it automatically revert to the D1 format of 7 points, short dubs, no ads? I looked at a few D1/d2 matches and that seemed right, but then I saw that GGC (NAIA) played Citadel (D1), and GGC won 9-0 so I guess they played the non D1 format. Maybe the better or higher ranked team gets to decide... Speaking of Citadel, it is crazy how many matches they play-think they have 35-40 for the spring, and it looks like they play everybody from 5 SEC/ACC teams to D3, to D2, to NAIA, rather schizophrenic schedule from 0-7 to 7-0 matches flipping from ACC/SEC to D3/D2/NAIA . They have already played 17 matches, only 1 at home, and no conference matches yet.

While the ranked D1 teams do not seem to play out of division, a lot of mid majors play a couple D2/NAIA matches a year at the beginning of their season. Citadel seems to be an exception to play so many out of division.

A lot of Mid's (Southern Conference, AAC Colonial etc..) schedule the D-2/3 and NAIA schools in advance to get some practice matches in and gain their team experience. A School like the Citadel is average to below average at best, so the more matches the better. After hose schedules are made the big D-1's usually call to add a few more to their own schedule, and thus they end up with an abundance of matches. Your not going to turn down UNC, USC or Clemson if your the Citadel and they reach out to you. Mid's that are stronger might have a little more say in advance and thus can control their schedule better. Keep in mind to that some schools in NAIA have different rules then in the NCAA, and have really strong teams traditionally. Georgia Gwinnett would beat most D-1 schools for instance.

 

[Ihatetennis]

Do all the divisions outside D1 still play ads or not? With ads, when there are two evenly matched players,it is a fight to see who has the talent and mental strength to win 2 points in a row and take the game. Watching juniors, I have seen multiple 5+ deuce games in 3-3.5 hour 3 set matches.I have seen some straight set matches last close to 3 hours-those 7-6. 7-6 battles. With no ads, I wonder is it luck or mental strength that wins that last point at 40-40 as every player is going to make some errors, and some will be at deuce point. Of course, the no ad proponents will argue, that mentally stronger player will win most of the points under deuce point pressure.

I agree with most posters on the college forum that the D1 changes made dubs too short. Watching singles ads or no ads can be a grindfest, but dubs is always fun to watch, and if you are late to turning on the livestreaming or late to a real match, you miss dubs.

I think d1 should use the 9 point format. Doubles needs to be worth more, there is little appreciation for it. winning 3 doubles matches is no small feat and if you can do that then tennis will have more variety in singles as the players will have better net game and approaching skills.

d1 doubles often looks like 2 singles matches on 1 court.

 

[tennis_ocd]

Do all the divisions outside D1 still play ads or not? With ads, when there are two evenly matched players,it is a fight to see who has the talent and mental strength to win 2 points in a row and take the game. Watching juniors, I have seen multiple 5+ deuce games in 3-3.5 hour 3 set matches.I have seen some straight set matches last close to 3 hours-those 7-6. 7-6 battles. With no ads, I wonder is it luck or mental strength that wins that last point at 40-40 as every player is going to make some errors, and some will be at deuce point. Of course, the no ad proponents will argue, that mentally stronger player will win most of the points under deuce point pressure.

I agree with most posters on the college forum that the D1 changes made dubs too short. Watching singles ads or no ads can be a grindfest, but dubs is always fun to watch, and if you are late to turning on the livestreaming or late to a real match, you miss dubs.

It sounds like heresy but I've grown to enjoy the no-ad format. Keeps matches to reasonable, anticipated lengths and it makes breaking of service games more achievable. With strong doubles service play I prefer seeing the sets won by games that the short breakers.... And no lets. Tennis needs to do all possible to shorten match times.

 

[Startzel]

A lot of Mid's (Southern Conference, AAC Colonial etc..) schedule the D-2/3 and NAIA schools in advance to get some practice matches in and gain their team experience. A School like the Citadel is average to below average at best, so the more matches the better. After hose schedules are made the big D-1's usually call to add a few more to their own schedule, and thus they end up with an abundance of matches. Your not going to turn down UNC, USC or Clemson if your the Citadel and they reach out to you. Mid's that are stronger might have a little more say in advance and thus can control their schedule better. Keep in mind to that some schools in NAIA have different rules then in the NCAA, and have really strong teams traditionally. Georgia Gwinnett would beat most D-1 schools for instance.

Yeah considering Georgia Gwinnett's number two was a finalist at junior Wimbledon, yeah it's safe to say they wouldn't lose to many teams.

 

[Doubles]

Yeah considering Georgia Gwinnett's number two was a finalist at junior Wimbledon, yeah it's safe to say they wouldn't lose to many teams.

What is Jordan Cox doing at an NAIA school? No offense meant to their school or NAIA as a division, but what made a junior Wimbledon finalist choose a school that small over something that was division 1?

 

[Startzel]

What is Jordan Cox doing at an NAIA school? No offense meant to their school or NAIA as a division, but what made a junior Wimbledon finalist choose a school that small over something that was division 1?

No clue. I assume it's an eligibility issue considering he played professionally. But he made my D2 school's French ringer look like a schoolboy.

 

[JLyon]

No clue. I assume it's an eligibility issue considering he played professionally. But he made my D2 school's French ringer look like a schoolboy.

correct he would not have been able to meet NCAA eligibility due to time playing on tour after HS, so NAIA rules allowed and he wants a degree it would seem.

 

[Doubles]

correct he would not have been able to meet NCAA eligibility due to time playing on tour after HS, so NAIA rules allowed and he wants a degree it would seem.

That makes a lot of sense, then. Still, the level of competition at number 2 singles must be painful at times given how different the skill level of some teams on their schedule. Maybe he'll go back on tour after he finishes?

 

[Clemson_tennis]

you know why Citadel has such a crazy schedule? Chuck Kriese. It's that simple.

After a 7-0 loss to Liberty, Kriese says this
Even though our guys won six in a row before this trip, we are going to have to beat someone ranked to break out. We must be patient but keep doing the work. We are very, very close."

uh huh. Sure you are Chuck.