Are dinky shots not ethical?

topseed

Rookie
Guys,

I played recently in a singles tournament. I played this guy who is very good in the baseline. However sometime during the match, I gave him underhand serves. I won almost 90% of my underhand serves. He got pissed off and said "dont give me those dinky shots" at the end of the game. He slammed his racket so hard in the floor and broke it.

I won the match by making drop shots and lob ...and not to forget those underhand serves. He was caught off-guard thinking what kind of shots will I make and i took the lead. Now i feel guilty asking myself if what i did was right. I will not win if i traded shots with him from the baseline. I just changed my strategy by mixing up my shots, making him guess. What do you think? Its not illegal to give underhand serves to an opponent right? He was pissed because I did not gave him the kind of shots he like. When im returing his serve, i returned with drop shots and then maling lobs afterwards. That is all i did. Its not the usual power game but its like playing BJ King style... not much on power but on placements.

What do you think?

Thanks
 

ubermeyer

Hall of Fame
I played recently in a singles tournament. I played this guy who is very good in the baseline. However sometime during the match, I gave him underhand serves. I won almost 90% of my underhand serves. He got pissed off and said "dont give me those dinky shots" at the end of the game. He slammed his racket so hard in the floor and broke it.
That guy's an idiot then. He wasted money and is a sore loser. Ask yourself, is hitting a hard crosscourt forehand unethical? It shouldn't be, unless you hate tennis. Whatever shot you can make with your racket, is game. Go for it. In fact sometimes when I get a really floaty high ball at the net, I use the grip of my racket to hit it instead of an overhead.
 

topseed

Rookie
Nothing unethical about it. Some people are poor losers. They are the ones with the problem.
I forgot to mention.. he shouted at me from the otehr side asking me to play "real" tennis. I did not reply just kept silent and played.
 

Ano

Hall of Fame
I forgot to mention.. he shouted at me from the otehr side asking me to play "real" tennis. I did not reply just kept silent and played.
You did the right thing.

Your opponent was a sore loser with an expensive hobby. :)
 

Steady Eddy

Legend
Some guys think tennis is about measuring biceps or seeing who can benchpress the most weight. There are probably nobodies who can rip the ball harder than Fed or Nadal. They probably can't keep it in play either, so can't beat their grandmothers. Tennis does not give large rewards to people with powerful muscles. It's somewhat of a factor, but not much of what tennis is about. Some people are just in the wrong sport.
 

topseed

Rookie
Some our common friends are mad at me because I did not played seriously. I said what the heck? If i played his style of game, i might lose the match. They are telling that I should have not gave him those "dinky" shots.

Geez! Now i realized that enjoying and playing tennis can make enemies... :(
 

Ano

Hall of Fame
Some our common friends are mad at me because I did not played seriously. I said what the heck? If i played his style of game, i might lose the match. They are telling that I should have not gave him those "dinky" shots.

Geez! Now i realized that enjoying and playing tennis can make enemies... :(

That's very true. :)

In a friendly match, one of my friends got mad at me, because I returned his second serve with a high defensive lob, then I attacked the net.

He hit a smash from behind the baseline as hard as he could directly to my body, and I easily volleyed the smash for a winner.

He then yelled: " come on you sissy, why don't you hit like a man?"
 

topseed

Rookie
That's very true. :)

In a friendly match, one of my friends got mad at me, because I returned his second serve with a high defensive lob, then I attacked the net.

He hit a smash from behind the baseline as hard as he could directly to my body, and I easily volleyed the smash for a winner.

He then yelled: " come on you sissy, why don't you hit like a man?"
Wow! He just realized that his power went all to waste. :)
 

chrisdaniel

Semi-Pro
....

This is a great topic. What you did was very smart. If the guy was so awesome then he would have put the slow balls away, which he didn't. Case closed.

In fact I have been asking myself lately why the pros do not use the short drop shot like serve, it actually does not have to be underhand. But it could be as well. I know that they could put the ball away easy but..... When you see players camping ten feet behind the baseline it would give them something to think about. I like good sportsmanship. but that's more about behavior and not actual playing. Lendl did a drop serve to Mcenroe and it worked awesome. Why look down on that play? It should be used.

Anyways, back to your point. Different players will need to be played differently. Look at James Blake? He is amazing at pure ball striking, but he changes his game for no one. and it hurts him. I saw him miss so many shots today by trying to rip the ball. He could have won in three sets if he actually thought out there.
 

Ano

Hall of Fame
This is a great topic. What you did was very smart. If the guy was so awesome then he would have put the slow balls away, which he didn't. Case closed.

In fact I have been asking myself lately why the pros do not use the short drop shot like serve, it actually does not have to be underhand. But it could be as well. I know that they could put the ball away easy but..... When you see players camping ten feet behind the baseline it would give them something to think about. I like good sportsmanship. but that's more about behavior and not actual playing. Lendl did a drop serve to Mcenroe and it worked awesome. Why look down on that play? It should be used.

Anyways, back to your point. Different players will need to be played differently. Look at James Blake? He is amazing at pure ball striking, but he changes his game for no one. and it hurts him. I saw him miss so many shots today by trying to rip the ball. He could have won in three sets if he actually thought out there.
Adriano Panatta did that to Lendl, in Davis Cup Match in 1979.

Lendl ridiculously stood perhaps 15 feet behind the baseline. Panatta hit a drop serve, Lendl chased the drop serve, but couldn't get it.

Btw, good post chris. I agree with everything you said.
 

film1

Semi-Pro
Adriano Panatta did that to Lendl, in Davis Cup Match in 1979.

Lendl ridiculously stood perhaps 15 feet behind the baseline. Panatta hit a drop serve, Lendl chased the drop serve, but couldn't get it.

Btw, good post chris. I agree with everything you said.
Chang did it to Lendl as well.
 

PimpMyGame

Hall of Fame
This is competitive tennis, and you should do everything in your power to win. Your opponent is the one with the problem, not you. You found a winning strategy and for that you should be congratulated.
 

migjam

Professional
I only wish that more of my players would realize that it's ok to make adjustments depending on their opponent rather than playing one dimensional tennis.
 

mikeler

Moderator
My "A" game is hitting out on my shots, but when that does not work, I make the shift down into junk ball mode. I love seeing the frustration on an opponent's face when they can't handle it. Some guys like to hit against pace, so why should I give them pace if I want to win?
 

tdent

Rookie
lendl

lendl did this dink serve to Mcenroe as well, and won the point, Mcenroe did not even attempt to run for it. as to the OP, you should not feel guilty, but I think you are cheating yourself because you would be better off working on a winning serve and developing a good winning service game. Some players really hold back their development because they are so afraid of losing, that they play a game of dinks only, and I think you want to avoid that. Better to play your game, and win with your game plan.
 

35ft6

Legend
What do you think?

Thanks
Good job. He sounds like a baby. No, there are rules in tennis, and if you play within the rules, it's ethical. At least when it comes to shots. They use slow, short off speed stuff in ping pong and baseball as well. Doing what frustrates your opponent is the essence of playing smart.
 

Lefty78

Professional
^Good point tdent.

In the short term, you were right to do what you needed to win. As to the big picture, it sounds like you know what facets of your game need improvement.
 

ttbrowne

Hall of Fame
Are dinky shots not ethical?

They are not! That's what I keep telling the guys who are beating me with them!
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
I agree with everyone. The original poster played against the prototypical sore loser. I hope you beat him 6-1, 6-1!!!! :twisted:

I have a relatively big serve in my group, and I occassionaly throw in the underhanded slice serve, it worked great at first, but now they expect it! However, in USTA, when I play against guys who are not familiar with me, the underhanded serve works much better! I wish the pros would do it more often!
 

Wakenslam

Rookie
Agreed. If someone can't adjust to different shots then they are going to lose. There is nothing wrong with hitting underhanded serves. Drop and lob is a very effective play against muscle-head type players.

I had a similar situation while playing against a former teammate. He and his partner were RIGHT on top of the net every point. After losing the first couple games I started lobbing them. It worked like a charm. We went on to win 2 and 2. After the match, he keeps complaining about me hitting so many "feline" lobs. I just said "I'll take the W." Man I can't stand sore losers.
 

tdent

Rookie
If you really want to win, try dinking and then pumping your fists, that will really get under their skin..
 

goran_ace

Hall of Fame
Unethical, no - but I think they can be disrespectful in certain siutations. For example if you are young and quick and playing a friendly match/practice against someone with mobility issues (elderly, ankle/knee injury, etc) and there's no need for that. If it's a competitive situation like a tournament or a league then all is fair.
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
If you are keeping score, then the goal is to win, irrespective of it being friendly or not.

If you are just batting the ball around with a 75 year old man with a cane, then I agree, hitting drop shots might be uneccesary.


Unethical, no - but I think they can be disrespectful in certain siutations. For example if you are young and quick and playing a friendly match/practice against someone with mobility issues (elderly, ankle/knee injury, etc) and there's no need for that. If it's a competitive situation like a tournament or a league then all is fair.
 

beernutz

Hall of Fame
Guys,

I played recently in a singles tournament. I played this guy who is very good in the baseline. However sometime during the match, I gave him underhand serves. I won almost 90% of my underhand serves. He got pissed off and said "dont give me those dinky shots" at the end of the game. He slammed his racket so hard in the floor and broke it.

I won the match by making drop shots and lob ...and not to forget those underhand serves. He was caught off-guard thinking what kind of shots will I make and i took the lead. Now i feel guilty asking myself if what i did was right. I will not win if i traded shots with him from the baseline. I just changed my strategy by mixing up my shots, making him guess. What do you think? Its not illegal to give underhand serves to an opponent right? He was pissed because I did not gave him the kind of shots he like. When im returing his serve, i returned with drop shots and then maling lobs afterwards. That is all i did. Its not the usual power game but its like playing BJ King style... not much on power but on placements.

What do you think?

Thanks
You must have a monster first serve to get away with more than one underhanded serve. Which begs the question, why would you need to serve underhanded if you have a monster first serve?
 

papatenis

Semi-Pro
purpose of playing tennis

it really depends on your age and mobility. my feelings are that tennis should be played with the goal in mind to hit a "correct" shot, using the proper technique. serving underhand is not considered proper serving technique, and should only be used when your body parts don't allow it.
what is more important, winning at all cost, or winning by playing the game the way it should be played.
maybe you should take some lessons to develop/learn the proper tennis strokes, and then work on them. if you lose a match using the proper techniques, then good for you. if you win by dinking, hacking and serving underhand, then that is a slippery slope that you don't won't to get on.
 

JavierLW

Hall of Fame
it really depends on your age and mobility. my feelings are that tennis should be played with the goal in mind to hit a "correct" shot, using the proper technique. serving underhand is not considered proper serving technique, and should only be used when your body parts don't allow it.
what is more important, winning at all cost, or winning by playing the game the way it should be played.
maybe you should take some lessons to develop/learn the proper tennis strokes, and then work on them. if you lose a match using the proper techniques, then good for you. if you win by dinking, hacking and serving underhand, then that is a slippery slope that you don't won't to get on.
You use the word "should" an awful lot.

You SHOULD stop worrying about what everyone else "should" do.

If you are in a match and especially if it's for a league or a tournament, give more credit to the person who does what it takes to win, versus the person who's only able to be think within some false belief in what they "should" or "should not" do out there.

Nobody cares about how YOU think the game SHOULD be played.

Winning by pushing or dinking only really works because the opponent typically is some hack anyway who does not know how to work a point, generally overhits the ball, and often doesnt want to venture anywhere near the net.

You might not like it and maybe it's not very common but too bad. All of those shots (dinks, lobs, drop shots, junk balls, crazy slice) are part of the game as well.

You can either deal with them or cry about it, your choice.
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
this post is craptastic.


it really depends on your age and mobility. my feelings are that tennis should be played with the goal in mind to hit a "correct" shot, using the proper technique. serving underhand is not considered proper serving technique, and should only be used when your body parts don't allow it.
what is more important, winning at all cost, or winning by playing the game the way it should be played.
maybe you should take some lessons to develop/learn the proper tennis strokes, and then work on them. if you lose a match using the proper techniques, then good for you. if you win by dinking, hacking and serving underhand, then that is a slippery slope that you don't won't to get on.
 

r2473

Talk Tennis Guru
Guys,

I played recently in a singles tournament......
Fine in a tournament. You don't owe the guy anything. Play anyway you want within the rules. Saying that, I can sympathize with your opponent. You look forward to the tournament match for a week / month, only to find that your opponent is some smart alec that wants to play a bunch of unorthodox shots. Nothing wrong with it mind you, but I would be unhappy to draw you as my opponent.

I would change my mind if this was a friendly match. I played a guy I had never played before at the park. He started out drop shotting and hitting underhand serves quite often. I told him that the shots were fine, but I wasn't going to run after those today. He continued to drop shot and underhand serve. I didn't run after any of them. It was his impression that each of his shots were just too good and that I couldn't get to them. On my serve, I pushed it in, waited for the drop shot, then pushed in another serve.

He beat me 6-0 in about 15 minutes (not sure if I won more than 5 points for the set). He was really happy and left for the day. That was my first match that day. I continued to play other people for a few hours.

Next time he came down, he saw me hitting hard serves and running down everything (including drop shots). He was absolutely pissed and started yelling at me through the fence. I looked up at him and smiled and continued to play my match.

Was I wrong? Was he wrong? Well, nobody was wrong (I don't think). He wanted to play a certain style that I didn't care for. As it was a friendly match and we didn't know each other, it seems best that we just didn't play each other (and that is what we did).

So, I guess you should consider the situation before playing unorthodox shots. In a tournament, anything goes (and anything that takes your opponent out of his comfort zone is good...if it is within the rules). In a friendly, perhaps not. It depends on your opponent and if you want to play him again.
 
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Wakenslam

Rookie
it really depends on your age and mobility. my feelings are that tennis should be played with the goal in mind to hit a "correct" shot, using the proper technique. serving underhand is not considered proper serving technique, and should only be used when your body parts don't allow it.
what is more important, winning at all cost, or winning by playing the game the way it should be played.
maybe you should take some lessons to develop/learn the proper tennis strokes, and then work on them. if you lose a match using the proper techniques, then good for you. if you win by dinking, hacking and serving underhand, then that is a slippery slope that you don't won't to get on.
You're kidding, right? One of the best things about tennis is variety. Every person on the planet plays the game differently. The only "correct" way I see to play is by the rules, and proper etiquite. If a person hits underhanded serves, behind the back serves, left handed, lob serves, or whatever, so be it.
 
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raiden031

Legend
it really depends on your age and mobility. my feelings are that tennis should be played with the goal in mind to hit a "correct" shot, using the proper technique. serving underhand is not considered proper serving technique, and should only be used when your body parts don't allow it.
what is more important, winning at all cost, or winning by playing the game the way it should be played.
maybe you should take some lessons to develop/learn the proper tennis strokes, and then work on them. if you lose a match using the proper techniques, then good for you. if you win by dinking, hacking and serving underhand, then that is a slippery slope that you don't won't to get on.
I don't think people should be required to play tennis with proper technique. If someone wants to serve using a western grip thats within their right. What you are saying only applies to someone who wants to become an advanced player. If they don't follow this, then they will likely plateau at an intermediate level and so they should understand this.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
I played a guy once in a league match. His shots were better and prettier than mine. He had a Gasquet looking backhand. It was beautiful to see. I beat him 6-2, 6-1. I just kept the ball in play, moved it around and got all his pretty shots back. At the end he smashed his Federer racket and destroyed it. Finding a weakness and exploiting it isn't unethical, it's down right the best thing to do. If your opponent can't handle it then they need to play solitaire.
 

papatenis

Semi-Pro
You use the word "should" an awful lot.

You SHOULD stop worrying about what everyone else "should" do.

If you are in a match and especially if it's for a league or a tournament, give more credit to the person who does what it takes to win, versus the person who's only able to be think within some false belief in what they "should" or "should not" do out there.

Nobody cares about how YOU think the game SHOULD be played.

Winning by pushing or dinking only really works because the opponent typically is some hack anyway who does not know how to work a point, generally overhits the ball, and often doesnt want to venture anywhere near the net.

You might not like it and maybe it's not very common but too bad. All of those shots (dinks, lobs, drop shots, junk balls, crazy slice) are part of the game as well.

You can either deal with them or cry about it, your choice.
JavierLW, i'm only giving my opinion, why are you taking it so personal?
 

precision2b

Semi-Pro
This is competitive tennis, and you should do everything in your power to win. Your opponent is the one with the problem, not you. You found a winning strategy and for that you should be congratulated.
I agree, and instead of yelling at you and braking racquets he should have changed his strategy...
 

papatenis

Semi-Pro
tennis is a game of sportsmanship.
webster definition: 1. skill in or fondness for sports 2. qualities and behavior befitting a sportsman
i feel that if you truly love the game of tennis, then it is your responsibility to play as a sportsman. meaning, learning the game, play within the rules and etiquette of the game.
though i'm still learn the game, i hope (with lessons and practice) someday to have a game similar to federer. to be able to hit shots like him and respect my opponents.
 

goober

Legend
tennis is a game of sportsmanship.
webster definition: 1. skill in or fondness for sports 2. qualities and behavior befitting a sportsman
i feel that if you truly love the game of tennis, then it is your responsibility to play as a sportsman. meaning, learning the game, play within the rules and etiquette of the game.
though i'm still learn the game, i hope (with lessons and practice) someday to have a game similar to federer. to be able to hit shots like him and respect my opponents.
Yawn... If you are hitting a legal shot, you are being sporting. You are playing within the rules and the etiquette of the game. People who complain about what type of shots their opponent is hitting as long as it is legitimate shot and they are not trying to intentionally hurt somebody, are the ones who are displaying poor sportsmanship if anything.

If an opponent serves underhanded and dropshots a lot I have zero problem with it. If you want Federer-like shots, great for you. It has nothing to do with what kind of sportsmanship you have.
 

OrangePower

Legend
Guys,

I played recently in a singles tournament. I played this guy who is very good in the baseline. However sometime during the match, I gave him underhand serves. I won almost 90% of my underhand serves. He got pissed off and said "dont give me those dinky shots" at the end of the game. He slammed his racket so hard in the floor and broke it.

I won the match by making drop shots and lob ...and not to forget those underhand serves. He was caught off-guard thinking what kind of shots will I make and i took the lead. Now i feel guilty asking myself if what i did was right. I will not win if i traded shots with him from the baseline. I just changed my strategy by mixing up my shots, making him guess. What do you think? Its not illegal to give underhand serves to an opponent right? He was pissed because I did not gave him the kind of shots he like. When im returing his serve, i returned with drop shots and then maling lobs afterwards. That is all i did. Its not the usual power game but its like playing BJ King style... not much on power but on placements.

What do you think?

Thanks
This is competitive tennis, and you should do everything in your power to win. Your opponent is the one with the problem, not you. You found a winning strategy and for that you should be congratulated.
Exactly.

But people like to complain when they get beaten. Even in this forum there are numerous threads complaining about:

* Pushers / dinkers / choppers
* Underhand serve / dropshot serve
* Hitting a baseline shot directly at the opponent at net
* Lobbing
* Etc etc

But it's all part of the game. You need to be good enough to find a way to win no matter the style of your opponent.

The only shots I would consider unethical are:

* Blasting a sitter overhead directly at an opponent when they have clearly conceded the point (turned away)
* In doubles, deliberately aiming a serve at the opposing net player
 

papatenis

Semi-Pro
Yawn... If you are hitting a legal shot, you are being sporting. You are playing within the rules and the etiquette of the game. People who complain about what type of shots their opponent is hitting as long as it is legitimate shot and they are not trying to intentionally hurt somebody, are the ones who are displaying poor sportsmanship if anything.

If an opponent serves underhanded and dropshots a lot I have zero problem with it. If you want Federer-like shots, great for you. It has nothing to do with what kind of sportsmanship you have.
i didn't want to go here but, it seems that the replies to my reply are from angry and over sensitive types. are you in actuality players that will do anything to win, as in hackers, dinkers and bad sports.?
my replies are my opinion, you have a choice of agreeing or disagreeing with it.
 

dmtree

Rookie
the opponent was definitely unsportsmanlike and not very smart..

that said, playing defensive dinkers and pushers drives me crazy too, not because it's challenging - after you play your first one, it's all pretty much the same - but because it's so boring and unenjoyable. when i do lose to a pusher - not too often, but it happens - it's usually because i just don't have the patience to sustain 20 stroke dink rallies and try to put the ball away even though the weak bounce has me off balance.

so if you care about being disliked by other players, man up and at least try to be a little aggressive and make the game more fun for your opponent. ;)
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
I agreed with your whole post until you said:

"The only shots I would consider unethical are:

** In doubles, deliberately aiming a serve at the opposing net player"

If the net player is crowding the service box, i have no problem aiming for him with my serve,

If the net player is crowding the net, i have no problem aiming for him with my serve.

If the net player has been a jerk during the match, i have no problem aiming for him with my serve.

On a similar note, if I accidently hit the net player with my serve, I will not hesititate to take the point. Just like if I were to be hit with an out ball (or with a serve on the fly), I will not hesitate to give the point to the opponent.


Exactly.

But people like to complain when they get beaten. Even in this forum there are numerous threads complaining about:

* Pushers / dinkers / choppers
* Underhand serve / dropshot serve
* Hitting a baseline shot directly at the opponent at net
* Lobbing
* Etc etc

But it's all part of the game. You need to be good enough to find a way to win no matter the style of your opponent.

The only shots I would consider unethical are:

* Blasting a sitter overhead directly at an opponent when they have clearly conceded the point (turned away)
* In doubles, deliberately aiming a serve at the opposing net player
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
I won't be a bad sport in order to win, but I will hit hacking balls, dinkers, and underhand serves to win. One has nothing to do with the other.


i didn't want to go here but, it seems that the replies to my reply are from angry and over sensitive types. are you in actuality players that will do anything to win, as in hackers, dinkers and bad sports.?
my replies are my opinion, you have a choice of agreeing or disagreeing with it.
 

Venetian

Professional
i didn't want to go here but, it seems that the replies to my reply are from angry and over sensitive types. are you in actuality players that will do anything to win, as in hackers, dinkers and bad sports.?
my replies are my opinion, you have a choice of agreeing or disagreeing with it.
Why do you say "hackers, dinkers, and bad sports" as if they are all similar? Hacking and dinking are styles of play, whereas poor sportsmanship is something entirely different. Doing anything within the rules of the game to win whilst not harming anyone is not being a bad sport.
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
Uh, I enjoy winning matches. If I play someone better than me, who constantly wins, I don't dislike him. According to your logic dmtree, i should dislike him, and if he wants me to like him, he should play poorly so I can win?

Nah, i prefer it when opponents do their best to win against each other.


the opponent was definitely unsportsmanlike and not very smart..

that said, playing defensive dinkers and pushers drives me crazy too, not because it's challenging - after you play your first one, it's all pretty much the same - but because it's so boring and unenjoyable. when i do lose to a pusher - not too often, but it happens - it's usually because i just don't have the patience to sustain 20 stroke dink rallies and try to put the ball away even though the weak bounce has me off balance.

so if you care about being disliked by other players, man up and at least try to be a little aggressive and make the game more fun for your opponent. ;)
 
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OrangePower

Legend
I agreed with your whole post until you said:

"The only shots I would consider unethical are:

** In doubles, deliberately aiming a serve at the opposing net player"

If the net player is crowding the service box, i have no problem aiming for him with my serve,

If the net player is crowding the net, i have no problem aiming for him with my serve.

If the net player has been a jerk during the match, i have no problem aiming for him with my serve.

On a similar note, if I accidently hit the net player with my serve, I will not hesititate to take the point. Just like if I were to be hit with an out ball (or with a serve on the fly), I will not hesitate to give the point to the opponent.
Yeah, I should have qualified it, I meant gunning for the opposing net player when he/she is positioned normally, in an attempt to hurt and / or get a free point.

And I would have no problem claiming the point if I happen to hit either opponent with a serve on the fly. But I would not attempt this deliberately under normal circumstances.
 

blakesq

Hall of Fame
Then we are mostly agreed, except on a occasion, maybe every 3-5 matches, I will aim for the net player just to keep him on his toes! Playing high school boys tennis taught me some bad habits! :twisted:

Yeah, I should have qualified it, I meant gunning for the opposing net player when he/she is positioned normally, in an attempt to hurt and / or get a free point.

And I would have no problem claiming the point if I happen to hit either opponent with a serve on the fly. But I would not attempt this deliberately under normal circumstances.
 

goober

Legend
i didn't want to go here but, it seems that the replies to my reply are from angry and over sensitive types. are you in actuality players that will do anything to win, as in hackers, dinkers and bad sports.?
my replies are my opinion, you have a choice of agreeing or disagreeing with it.

Not angry- notice the "yawn" in the beginning of my post.

Hackers, dinkers are not bad sports. They may be bad players. But I fail to see how being a bad players is in any way related to what kind of sportsmanship you have. If hacking and dinking is considered poor sportsmanship than you are accusing the majority of recreational players of poor sportsmanship. Certainly you can see the absurdity of this?

Good players really never even get bothered by hackers and dinkers because they are easy wins and only seen at lower levels of play. The only people I have ever seen get upset about them are people who think they are good players and then go out and lose to these hackers and dinkers.
 
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