Are group clinics worth it?

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I don't have a coach and haven't had one since I was a kid. Just getting back into the sport after about 20 years. I know personal coaching would be best but I simply can't afford it right now.

The local tennis club has 90-minute clinics every weekend for $15. Or I think you can buy 6 for $70 or something like that. Apparently they're very popular and I guess dozens of folks show up to each of 'em. Beginner/intermediate in the morning, intermediate/advanced in the afternoon.

I'm sure each is different, but generally what happens in these clinics and are they worth it? I'm about a 3.0 right now.

thx
 
In my opinion it is not. It can be fun, but it is nothing but glorified aerobics.

Aim for semi-private lessons (1 coach, 2 students). That way you will not get exhausted and still get enough personal attention for reasonable money. Plus there will be somebody to rally with, not just feeds.
 
I don't have a coach and haven't had one since I was a kid. Just getting back into the sport after about 20 years. I know personal coaching would be best but I simply can't afford it right now.

The local tennis club has 90-minute clinics every weekend for $15. Or I think you can buy 6 for $70 or something like that. Apparently they're very popular and I guess dozens of folks show up to each of 'em. Beginner/intermediate in the morning, intermediate/advanced in the afternoon.

I'm sure each is different, but generally what happens in these clinics and are they worth it? I'm about a 3.0 right now.

thx

Yes! This is a good idea for you, only because you're just starting Tennis again after a long, long time. You don't need a professional coach right now or anything, simply because you'll be at the basics for awhile until you're up and running again.

What you need now is play-time and match experience, which is what a group lesson will provide you with.

$15 for 90 minutes is a reasonable price, somewhat on the cheap side too. Just buy 1 lesson first and see how it goes. If the coach spends most of the time just watching people rally, then I would consider someone else who actually coaches.

If you're available for the intermediate/advanced lesson, I would suggest you go for that one instead. Beginners is a pain in the @ss to be honest. You'll be spending $15 on a good 90 minutes learning what a racquet is and what a tennis ball is.
 
I don't have a coach and haven't had one since I was a kid. Just getting back into the sport after about 20 years. I know personal coaching would be best but I simply can't afford it right now.

The local tennis club has 90-minute clinics every weekend for $15. Or I think you can buy 6 for $70 or something like that. Apparently they're very popular and I guess dozens of folks show up to each of 'em. Beginner/intermediate in the morning, intermediate/advanced in the afternoon.

I'm sure each is different, but generally what happens in these clinics and are they worth it? I'm about a 3.0 right now.

thx

Go along and see. Even if you don't want to participate, go along and watch and see. DO take a racquet and gear - if you like what you see, you may want to join in immediately.

If you have played before, you don't need so much coaching as hitting and play. A clinic should provide both of these in a structured environment, and provide you with the opportunity to ask a pro how to fix 'stroke X' as well.
 
Well, I do many clinics myself and believe they are not only a good buy but for most players provide a excellent workout as well as instruct proper stroke mechanics. Some players can get pretty tense in lessons for a variety of reasons.

Most instructors don't mind if you either watch a session or participate for some of the time - really depends on how large the group is, their skill level, stroke(s) your working on, gender/age mix, etc.

I think if you keep the session with six or eight players, you can really do a lot of things. However, the more players the less the individual instruction.
 
For $15 dollars? Well if the instruction is good - I would do alot of them. An indoor clinic where I live can cost $85. I am not kidding. Though in fairness the instructor seems excellent - he is a fantastic player..

I totally think private lessons are the way to go - but its very expensive even more so if you start to get picky about the instructor.
 
In my opinion it is not. It can be fun, but it is nothing but glorified aerobics.

Aim for semi-private lessons (1 coach, 2 students). That way you will not get exhausted and still get enough personal attention for reasonable money. Plus there will be somebody to rally with, not just feeds.

This really depends on the coach and the drills s/he knows. I've been in some that were excellent, and some that were a complete waste of time.

There are some group drills run by coaches from Sandalwood who now work at one of the local clubs, and they are outstanding.

To the OP I say try 3 or 4 sessions. You'll be out $60 at worst and will know for yourself whether they're worth it to you.
 
I don't have a coach and haven't had one since I was a kid. Just getting back into the sport after about 20 years. I know personal coaching would be best but I simply can't afford it right now.

The local tennis club has 90-minute clinics every weekend for $15. Or I think you can buy 6 for $70 or something like that. Apparently they're very popular and I guess dozens of folks show up to each of 'em. Beginner/intermediate in the morning, intermediate/advanced in the afternoon.

I'm sure each is different, but generally what happens in these clinics and are they worth it? I'm about a 3.0 right now.

thx

YES, group clinic by Matts Wilander is worth one of our children.

http://wilanderonwheels.com/


YOu will improve by 3 levels..
 
I don't have a coach and haven't had one since I was a kid. Just getting back into the sport after about 20 years. I know personal coaching would be best but I simply can't afford it right now.

The local tennis club has 90-minute clinics every weekend for $15. Or I think you can buy 6 for $70 or something like that. Apparently they're very popular and I guess dozens of folks show up to each of 'em. Beginner/intermediate in the morning, intermediate/advanced in the afternoon.

I'm sure each is different, but generally what happens in these clinics and are they worth it? I'm about a 3.0 right now.

thx

yes, they can be worth it if .....

-there aren't so many people that you are standing around more than you are hitting.

-you get in with a group of people at similar level. You don't learn or improve by playing with people whose talent level is lower than yours and it isn't very fair to get in with a group whose talent is so much higher than you that you are dragging them down.

-the pro tells you what you need to do differently to improve rather than just continuously feed balls and let you flounder when you are in need of some direction.

-you commit to go regularly. A one time flash in the pan isn't going to make you better.

I go regularly....it helps me a few ways.... I get a good aerobic workout (i hate monotonous activity .... stationary bikes, running/treadmills, elipticals, stair climbers, etc) , you meet people of similar talent and greater opportunity to find hitting partners and teams and I get to focus on areas I need to improve on.

my $.02
rich
 
When i started playing they wer $20 for 60 minutes. The guy was crazy did'nt even know how to play the owners Bf. Thats Crazy.
 
I have a long and unhappy history with clinics.

My experience has been that you don't get any instruction on stroke mechanics. At most, you will get a tip or two, with no opportunity to implement it and groove anything or fix anything. Since many students feel they didn't get their money's worth unless many different shots are taught, the clinic can be too rapid-fire and cover too many things.

You might get some instruction in doubles positioning, but the instruction tends to be aimed at the least knowledgeable person on the court. It's even worse if it's a drop in clinic, where there are always new people who didn't hear what was said last week.

I far prefer private clinics. You get 2-3 other people and a good pro, and you share the cost for 2 hours. Then you won't be hitting feeds; you'll be hitting live balls with players who hit like your opponents will hit. You'll learn things that don't get repeated week after week as newcomers are absorbed. Your clinic-mates will make great doubles partners for you. If your group wants the pro to do things differently, you can discuss it with him.

Good luck!!!
 
Public clinics are good, but if you want to learn proper technique first, go private (if you have money, if not public clinics aren't bad). Public clinics advice are more tips to help you steer your game (get better, not worse), and tactical/practice. It's basically quantity (more balls hit for less $) while privates are quality (better instruction). In tennis you need to hit tons of balls to get good, but only after you get some good technique down.

Privates focus more on perticular technique/shots, then one on one drills to improve some weaknesses in area's you lack. Private's is the best way to go, along with some public.
 
Oh haha, read it wrong, go with what Cindy said.

It's basically more balls to hit in a cheap way, although the quality of instruction may not be amazing.

Private clinics are better and you learn new things, get reinforced in places you struggle, and costlier ofcourse.
 
I have a long and unhappy history with clinics.

My experience has been that you don't get any instruction on stroke mechanics. At most, you will get a tip or two, with no opportunity to implement it and groove anything or fix anything. Since many students feel they didn't get their money's worth unless many different shots are taught, the clinic can be too rapid-fire and cover too many things.

You might get some instruction in doubles positioning, but the instruction tends to be aimed at the least knowledgeable person on the court. It's even worse if it's a drop in clinic, where there are always new people who didn't hear what was said last week.

I far prefer private clinics. You get 2-3 other people and a good pro, and you share the cost for 2 hours. Then you won't be hitting feeds; you'll be hitting live balls with players who hit like your opponents will hit. You'll learn things that don't get repeated week after week as newcomers are absorbed. Your clinic-mates will make great doubles partners for you. If your group wants the pro to do things differently, you can discuss it with him.

Good luck!!!

^^ Fair assessment CS, in the context of your goals. To the OP - probably fair to remember CS's goals are performance-oriented, which may be where you are in 3-12 months. For now, many of the problems CS has found might not matter to a 'returning player'.
 
I enjoyed my Public clinic.

The public clinic I went to had a great coach, although new, it made him that much better. He WANTED to improve all of us, so not only did he take the time to actually help us with technique and stroke placement, we played several matches and had lots of fun.

Also, it's 75$ for 4 weeks (90 minutes) over here, you're getting it for really cheap to get 6 for 70$.

Just remember, it's only worth it if the coach is good. Some of the coaches at the same place I went to have been teaching for so long they're tired of it. Oh, and they don't know how to play tennis.
 
Thanks guys I appreciate the comments. What exactly happens at a clinic? I'm imagining a bunch of people lined up and they hit you a shot you return it and then go to the end of the line.
 
Sort of.

Your coach basically feeds you several balls, some which divide the baseline into three parts, and they ask you to hit forehands/backhands for awhile. Then, after a few hits, you switch the sides and hit some more.

Sometimes they help you develop tactics and the last 15 minutes or so they just play games.
 
It depends on what you are after.

Group clinics have their advantages. They are a great arrangement for kids & beginners who want to learn all the basics in order to play socially (e.g. rules, serve, ground strokes etc.)

If you're looking to improve on specific strokes/playing competetive, i'll suggest saving up to get good periodic 1to1 coaching & heading off and practising with your buddies.
 
Thanks guys I appreciate the comments. What exactly happens at a clinic? I'm imagining a bunch of people lined up and they hit you a shot you return it and then go to the end of the line.

It varies a lot.

I have found a big difference between clinics where the number of participants is restricted. Once you get over 4 people/1 instructor/1 court, it gets messy.

The first clinic I did was a public clinic. Six-eight women, 1 instructor, 1 court, 1 hour. He would line us up in two lines, one for FH, one for BH. Then he would feed, you'd hit one ball, and head to the back of the other line. Last 5 minutes were playing games or points. This wasn't good for anything other than seeing if you liked the sport, as we were all beginners.

The second clinic I did was more money but worth it. It was sixteen women and four instructors on four courts. We would warm up and hit for the first 15 minutes or so. Then the instructors would run various drills with us -- hit three FHs and go to the back of the line. Because there were only four students, we could do a lot more hitting with each other, which made it more interesting and fun. And when the session was over, there was turnover among the students and the instruction had to start all over.

The problem with that clinic, however, was the instruction wasn't really suited to improving or developing basic strokes. We were 3.0 players, but we were taught highly specialized things like drop shots, slice lobs, 1HBH slice, drop volleys, FH slice. After doing this clinic for about 18 months, I wasn't any more consistent with the basics, and I didn't have mastery of any of these more complicated shots. And I never once heard any instructor use the word "Footwork."

I'd say the etiquette of a clinic is that you have to remember that you're not going to get a lot of one-on-one time, so you wouldn't want to hog the instructor. The other thing that can be irritating is the student who insists on getting extra feeds.

Still, I have to credit that last clinic with a couple of really important things. That clinic is where I was taught to use Continental grip for volleys and serve, and it is also where an instructor flat-out insisted that I learn a 1HBH volley from the beginning. Those things alone were worth the money!!
 
It all depends on the coach but, overwhelmingly, my experience was poor. When I first joined the tennis club, I thought the groups would be an ideal way to meet other players of a similar level; that bit's fine. But, against that, with very few exceptions, the actual instruction was non-existent or extremely poor.

I still watch some of the clinics at the club run by what seem to be the most popular coaches (given the numbers involved). There, you will see people trying to volley with SW forehand grips without being told anything different, panhandle grip serves, very poor ground stroke mechanics, and so on. The coach is basically a glorified ball machine & the players are practicing bad technique.

I did hear that, at my club, the coaches are required to run a minimum number of clinics; the club gets most of the money from these. The aim of the coaches is then to get people from the clinics to sign up for private lessons. Perhaps that's why the actual coaching part is poor.
 
Now that I think about it, I can recall one group clinic that really worked well.

It was 4.0 team practice, and the captain hired a pro for us. We did weekly practices, 90-minutes. We usually had 5-6 people, one court, one pro.

The reason it worked was because these doubles clinics had exactly one purpose and focus: Getting to net and winning points from there. Typical drills were two people at baseline, with pro behind them feeding. Remaining players at opposite baseline, with solo player at baseline ready to take the feed.

Pro feeds one high volley to the solo player, who hits an approach volley and moves in while the other two players are moving in. Everyone got practice with approach volleys and finishing points at net, which is the name of the game at 4.0.

Because everyone was on the same level and the focus of the clinic was clear and never changed, I was able to groove some stuff. $22/session, regardless of number of participants.
 
As an alternative, why not get three other people & arrange your own session with a coach that you all rate. That way, you get to practice what you want & should receive proper coaching.

Seems to me as if the cost per head would be similar.
 
I appreciate the descriptions. I don't actually know anybody who plays tennis, and I'm broke so doing anything more than $15 clinics is unavailable to me sadly. Not even sure I can really afford that but it's better than wall practice every day :)
 
If I had just $60/month for instruction, I would take one private lesson a month to focus on one shot. Then I would practice on the wall, drop feed, and scout around for hitting partners to practice that one shot until the next month.
 
Worth it or not? It depends on what you want to get out it. A clinic is not to be confused with a lesson. There is usually little to no instruction, maybe some tips along the way. Its more about drilling, getting repetitions and playing "situational" games/drills, which I like because you get to practice stuff that you won't get repetition much in matches. If you have a good group and a good pro, it can be a good workout, too. For $15 per 90 minutes, it's a good deal if it's not overcrowded.
 
It can be fun, but it is nothing but glorified aerobics.

Wonderful way of putting it. Never saw any adult get better with group clinics. You get some pseudo-satisfaction after a while when you chase the balls down and the pro says "Great." It does not seem to translate into any improvement.

In most of these clinics, the pro will never correct your grip mistakes or fundamental errors. When you start out cold, you will hit the balls into the net. Then, he will urge you to hit low to high. You will then hit the balls long but the pro will say "Much better" and you will be happy. Nothing to do with developing the reflexes you need in real tennis.
 
Wonderful way of putting it. Never saw any adult get better with group clinics. You get some pseudo-satisfaction after a while when you chase the balls down and the pro says "Great." It does not seem to translate into any improvement.

In most of these clinics, the pro will never correct your grip mistakes or fundamental errors. When you start out cold, you will hit the balls into the net. Then, he will urge you to hit low to high. You will then hit the balls long but the pro will say "Much better" and you will be happy. Nothing to do with developing the reflexes you need in real tennis.

This has not been my experience. I play in a regular clinic that's capped at 6 people, all very close in ability and decent players. The pro doesn't give us "lessons", but is very constructive on some technique and especially strategy. The pace is fast, we get a ton of reps in live situations, both singles and dubs and a good workout. I think I've improved a lot. I think a lot can depend on the both the pro and the level of the other players.
 
I'm gutted, as I just found out about a clinic that was running near me during the holidays for anyone over 16. It was with an LTA professional and was £2 ($3!) for a two hour session, for a total of six weeks.

I'd have got 12 hours of play and tuition for $18. Need to look out more closely for these things. :(
 
Totally depends on the clinic - who is running it and who attends it.

Some are just hitting, drills etc. Some simulate match situations and involve competitive games - you will likely not get too much instruction but will be able to thit a lot of bals.

As you don't seem to have people to hit with, I would do just to meet some fellow players if nothing else.
 
I appreciate the descriptions. I don't actually know anybody who plays tennis, and I'm broke so doing anything more than $15 clinics is unavailable to me sadly. Not even sure I can really afford that but it's better than wall practice every day :)

Find a good community college instructor. You'll probably wind up paying $100 for the entire year. :)
 
group lessons = social gathering

i took one back in the day when i was in high school. there was very little instruction given, and most players taking them were flaky. some of my friends on the team took them with me, but we could have just done the same thing on our own.
 
group lessons = social gathering

i took one back in the day when i was in high school. there was very little instruction given, and most players taking them were flaky. some of my friends on the team took them with me, but we could have just done the same thing on our own.

As with anything, quality will vary. Sounds like your experience was not so great. Bummer. But I wouldn't make assumptions about all clinics that way. I've been to some stinkers and also have found really good ones. As I've said, a lot depends on the pro and the other players.
 
Clinics and group workouts are curious things. They're supposed to be an inexpensive way for students to get some instruction & structured practice, as well as meet other players. Unfortunately, inherent in the format are some really huge pitfalls that have to be carefully navigated around in order for the students to get the most out of the clinic/workout.

* High student-to-pro ratios make it nearly impossible to give much (if any) one-on-one instruction without holding up the group, and without this much-needed instruction players often progress slowly (if at all). Trust me, finding the balance between helping individuals and keeping the group moving along is extremely difficult. I often error on the side of helping individuals though -- and have been deducted points on my USPTA certification for doing so!

* As mentioned in an earlier post, sometimes the perceived need to go over every single shot disallows students from becoming proficient in any of them, especially the basics. Doing fewer drills but for longer duration might help get players grooved with their strokes, but it would also bore some players and make them feel like they're not learning anything new or working on what THEY want to work on. There is no easy answer here, and the key is striking a balance between spending time on perfecting one or two shots or working on all of them, while keeping whatever you do fresh and engaging.

* Again with the high student-to-pro ratio, pros seem to have no easy way to satisfy everyone's needs when it comes to hitting balls. A pro can feed a small number of balls before rotating, to keep the players from standing around too much -- but this often prohibits students from getting into a groove. Or the pro feeds for longer to each student, which leads to students standing around for too long watching. Or the pro can have the students rally with each other, which may or may not end up being productive depending on the rallying skills of the students. A mix of feeding drills and live-ball (both cooperative & competitive) seems to be the best way to go IMO.

* Clinics/workouts with a large variety of skill levels allowed have an additional burden of trying to find a common denominator amongst the group without alienating everyone in the process. Make it too easy or dumbed down and the experienced players will get nothing out of it. Talk over the newer players heads too much and they'll get frustrated AND get nothing out of it. The best solution seems to be to try to regulate the clinics/workouts so that they are divided up closely according to skill level so that level gap becomes less of an issue.

That being said, I think in most cases clinics/workouts are worth the money. They're much cheaper than private or semi-private lessons, they can provide instruction & practice that you might not get on your own, and they are a great way to meet other players. If you have a good pro running them then they are definitely worth attending as he/she will be able to avoid a lot of the pitfalls of clinics/groups that I mentioned :)

Final thought: Don't expect a clinic or group workout to be the cornerstone of your game's improvement. While they can be helpful, you still need to practice & play matches on your own time. If you have specific technical things you need to iron out, take a private or semi-private lesson to get yourself back on track. Clinics and groups alone (no matter how good they are) can't take the place of private instruction, repetition through practice, match experience, etc.
 
I have a long and unhappy history with clinics...

That's precisely how I see it too. Lot of aerobics, insufficient instruction, random/ad-hoc program ("ok, let's do that thing for a change"). Not a drill, not a lesson.

I met good people though, who I currently play singles with. It was more of a social thing for me.
 
As with anything, quality will vary. Sounds like your experience was not so great. Bummer. But I wouldn't make assumptions about all clinics that way. I've been to some stinkers and also have found really good ones. As I've said, a lot depends on the pro and the other players.

that's true, but the good ones are few and far between the bad ones. i'd go with cindysphinx's advice and get a private lesson.
 
In my opinion it is not. It can be fun, but it is nothing but glorified aerobics.

Aim for semi-private lessons (1 coach, 2 students). That way you will not get exhausted and still get enough personal attention for reasonable money. Plus there will be somebody to rally with, not just feeds.
 
I appreciate the descriptions. I don't actually know anybody who plays tennis, and I'm broke so doing anything more than $15 clinics is unavailable to me sadly. Not even sure I can really afford that but it's better than wall practice every day :)
Clinics are a great way to meet other players, I signup a few times a year to break up the routine and get a great workout. It’s kinda nice to be fed balls and work on certain strokes. I’ve been playing for a long time and my game is fairly stable now. If I were looking to change my game, I wouldn’t rely on a group clinic. I can relate to not having the disposable income. When I took up tennis I couldn’t afford group clinics but I became friends with several good players and they routinely thrashed me, but I learned the game from them at very little cost. I reached their level eventually.
 
When you are a 3.0, you need a coach to teach you proper technique. Save your money to get one lesson every four weeks instead of a group clinic every weekend. Alternately, if you find another friend in a similar situation, take a shared lesson every two weeks. You’ll improve faster in both cases as long as you practice what the coach teaches you in between the lessons.
 
You just bumped a 10-year old thread. :rolleyes:
For those that are reading this thread, clinics were great when I was playing as a junior. You meet people that are there for same reason you are; to get better. You get a wide array of coaching and match experience from it.

P.s. You meet some cuties.
 
I don't have a coach and haven't had one since I was a kid. Just getting back into the sport after about 20 years. I know personal coaching would be best but I simply can't afford it right now.

The local tennis club has 90-minute clinics every weekend for $15. Or I think you can buy 6 for $70 or something like that. Apparently they're very popular and I guess dozens of folks show up to each of 'em. Beginner/intermediate in the morning, intermediate/advanced in the afternoon.

I'm sure each is different, but generally what happens in these clinics and are they worth it? I'm about a 3.0 right now.

thx
hehe, group clinics are $75 for 90m in ny tri area. only worth it if everyone is similar level.
basically use it a way to hit a high volume of balls

"dozens"? how many people per court? not worth it if more than 4 people imo.

i tend to count how many balls i hit in a clinic... and typically i can hit more in a hitting session with a buddy. but will still do clinics if everyone is high level, and the pro is actually teaching something (eg. often useful if the pro is dictating a specific pattern, that might be tough to replicate without a feeder, or if your buddies can't execute on the drill, and therefore need a feeder)
 
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