Are Medvedev and Zverev the best movers ever for their height?

Best movement for their height


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Mainad

Bionic Poster
Jury still out on Zverev but Medvedev moves really well for someone of his stature. The days of the slow-moving lumbering giant may be numbered.
 

DSH

Legend
Generally these types of players suffer many injuries.
We'll see if they avoid following that negative pattern.
:cautious:
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
These guys aren't even Todd Martin level athletes. Yeah they are a bit quicker laterally because they weigh 170 pounds but they lack explosiveness to a hilarious degree. Tons of 6'4"+ guys were better athletes.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
These guys aren't even Todd Martin level athletes. Yeah they are a bit quicker laterally because they weigh 170 pounds but they lack explosiveness to a hilarious degree. Tons of 6'4"+ guys were better athletes.
I wonder how many days in your life you've spent in making this exact post
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Tall people having movement issues is a myth.
Literally every commentator I've heard thay played in the 90s (Courier etc) has commented on how much big players have improved movement wise. They all talk about how terrible the big guys moved until recently.

Back when Safin emerged all you heard about was how well he moved "for a big guy".
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
These guys aren't even Todd Martin level athletes. Yeah they are a bit quicker laterally because they weigh 170 pounds but they lack explosiveness to a hilarious degree. Tons of 6'4"+ guys were better athletes.
Martin would win 30 slams in this MUG era...
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
betchu Berrettini is a better athlete than Sampras

let's see you handle THAT damning evidence
I once saw him run with those chicken legs of his

No way Sampras could lift off the ground to hit those trademark slam dunks if he had Berrettini's chopstick legs, so you may be onto something here

If there's one thing Berrettini and Taylor Swift have in common, it's their legs

And also @tennis_pro probably can't stop thinking about them
 
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K-H

Hall of Fame
Forget just the tall guys, medvedev is one of the best movers on tour in general.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
The "for their height" caveat is key here. In the same way a player can have a great serve for their height but not be an ATG server.
 

K-H

Hall of Fame
The "for their height" caveat is key here. In the same way a player can have a great serve for their height but not be an ATG server.
Tbf medvedev is a great mover regardless of his height. In the top 20, i can only think of 2-3 players who match or slightly excel him in that aspect. Id take his movement of most
 

RS

Legend
Possibly. Safin was good to for that height but he was bigger and lighter is often better for movement.
 

RS

Legend
These guys aren't even Todd Martin level athletes. Yeah they are a bit quicker laterally because they weigh 170 pounds but they lack explosiveness to a hilarious degree. Tons of 6'4"+ guys were better athletes.
Yeah sure thing.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Tbf medvedev is a great mover regardless of his height. In the top 20, i can only think of 2-3 players who match or slightly excel him in that aspect. Id take his movement of most
Wouldn't consider Medvedev an ATG mover though, think he's quite lacking compared to the truly elite movers. I think sometimes people think of movement as just the ability to track down balls, Zverev and Medvedev have big strides and can cover a lot of ground laterally but they don't have the dancing feet of the truly best movers. What Fedal especially have is truly elite footwork in offence, the kind that allows them to make space and hit those forehands in situations most other players simply wouldn't be capable of. While I don't think Novak and Andy had that level of footwork they're simply quicker than the #NextGen movers and Djokovic has his insane flexibility.
 

K-H

Hall of Fame
Wouldn't consider Medvedev an ATG mover though, think he's quite lacking compared to the truly elite movers. I think sometimes people think of movement as just the ability to track down balls, Zverev and Medvedev have big strides and can cover a lot of ground laterally but they don't have the dancing feet of the truly best movers. What Fedal especially have is truly elite footwork in offence, the kind that allows them to make space and hit those forehands in situations most other players simply wouldn't be capable of. While I don't think Novak and Andy had that level of footwork they're simply quicker than the #NextGen movers and Djokovic has his insane flexibility.
Yh fair enough. I agree about the footwork part. None of these guys footwork is top level.

I just meant lateral movement and chasing balls down. I thought he's pretty good at that compared to most guys. But yeah, overall movement, footwork, anticipation, its lacking.
 

FRV4

Rookie
Are you being serious? Those guys are twigs. At 6’6” or whatever you could be a much better mover with just a little weightlifting. Chest of Drawers? Forget about it. Neither of them would be able to get it up even the porch staircase.
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
I have answered yes and between them Med is better mover. With their height and movement the threat they pose is really scary. Combination of height and movement means they are reaching to a lot more balls. In Rafa-Med match I was amazed how easily Med was reaching to Nadal's forehand down the line. IN general no one reaches to a well hit FHDTL of Rafa, not even Djoko. Med was not only reaching to those but was reaching comfortably enough to hit cross court winners on them. Well Rafa wasn't hitting that shot as close to the lines, but yet it gave very good idea of Med's court coverage. With his movement, his height (which also aids in a great serve) I would put my money on him to end year 2021 as number 1.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Wouldn't consider Medvedev an ATG mover though, think he's quite lacking compared to the truly elite movers. I think sometimes people think of movement as just the ability to track down balls, Zverev and Medvedev have big strides and can cover a lot of ground laterally but they don't have the dancing feet of the truly best movers. What Fedal especially have is truly elite footwork in offence, the kind that allows them to make space and hit those forehands in situations most other players simply wouldn't be capable of. While I don't think Novak and Andy had that level of footwork they're simply quicker than the #NextGen movers and Djokovic has his insane flexibility.
That reminds me of when Michael Jordan was dancing with Michael Jackson for the music video "Jam".
Jordan's dance movement was like a clumsy rhinocerous on ice skates compared to the silky smooth ballet-esque dance steps of Michael Jackson.
That doesn't have much to do with this thread nor about athletics but I thought I'd put it out there anyway :p
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
medvedev probably a little better than zverev. 'peak cilic' probably about tied w medvedev. and somebody mentioned janowicz...he was like 6'8 or 6'9 i think, even taller, but wasn't too far off those two guys. too bad whatever happened to him, happened...110mph forehand, drop shot, rinse and repeat.
 
Tall people having movement issues is a myth.
It would be a myth if anyone claimed that THEY CAN'T MOVE or STRUGGLE TO MOVE.

We know they can move.

But all we're saying is that they are SLOWER BECAUSE BIGGER. Basic laws of physics. Which is kinda what one learns as a toddler.

Goo-goo elephant big so slow, goo-goo ant quick coz small.

Bear is the quickest guy for players 195 plus ever. No question there.
 

Wurm

Semi-Pro
Well Rafa wasn't hitting that shot as close to the lines, but yet it gave very good idea of Med's court coverage. With his movement, his height (which also aids in a great serve) I would put my money on him to end year 2021 as number 1.
I wouldn't. You've seen him play on clay, right?
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
Wouldn't consider Medvedev an ATG mover though, think he's quite lacking compared to the truly elite movers. I think sometimes people think of movement as just the ability to track down balls, Zverev and Medvedev have big strides and can cover a lot of ground laterally but they don't have the dancing feet of the truly best movers. What Fedal especially have is truly elite footwork in offence, the kind that allows them to make space and hit those forehands in situations most other players simply wouldn't be capable of. While I don't think Novak and Andy had that level of footwork they're simply quicker than the #NextGen movers and Djokovic has his insane flexibility.
Thank you. Is this so hard to grasp for most? Forget Fedal, Safin and Delpo have significantly better footwork than those guys if you want people of the same size or even bigger. Safin was better on the dead run too anyways. The only tall guys who have been ranked fairly high or made it to slam finals in recent memory (like the past 30 years) I'd confidently say they are better overall movers than are Anderson and Raonic (who have much better pure serves/forehands than next gen)

I mean I don't get how low your understanding of tennis has to be to look at these guys and think they're anything special moving just because they rely more on playing lateral defense. Maybe the reason guys that tall have to play that much defense is because their footwork sucks to begin with? Or maybe it's because they are utterly mediocre ballstrikers who can't even take consistent control of the point if it's presented to them on a silver platter which is why they can't still convincingly beat Nadal on his worst conditions. I don't know, the possibilities truly are endless in these times.
 
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