Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by tkoziol, Sep 10, 2013.
Anybody ? Still waiting for an answer.
The grass plant itself has to survive in this dry soil. Expert research has again shown that a cut height of 8mm (since 1995) is the optimum for present day play and survival.
Courts are sown with 100 per cent Perennial Ryegrass (since 2001) to improve durability and strengthen the sward to withstand better the increasing wear of the modern game.
Independent expert research from The Sports Turf Research Institute in Yorkshire, UK, proved that changing the grass seed mix to 100 per cent perennial ryegrass (previously 70 per cent rye/30 per cent creeping red fescue) would be the best way forward to combat wear and enhance court presentation and performance without affecting the perceived speed of the court.
Perceived speed of a court is affected by a number of factors such as the general compacting of the soil over time, as well as the weather before and during the event.
The ball will seem heavier and slower on a cold damp day and conversely lighter and faster on a warm dry day.
The amount a ball bounces is largely determined by the soil, not the grass. The soil must be hard and dry to allow 13 days of play without damage to the court sub-surface.
To achieve the required surface of even consistency and hardness, the courts are rolled and covered to keep them dry and firm. Regular measurements are taken to monitor this.
There have been no changes to the specification of the ball since 1995, when there was a very minimal alteration in compression.
1 ton of grass seed is used each year.
Maximum of 3,000 gallons of water used during the Fortnight - weather permitting.
All courts re-lined, rolled and mown daily during The Championships.
Court wear, surface hardness and ball rebound are all measured daily.
All courts renovated in September.
According to the players.
As for the Paris Masters in Llodra's homeland, the organizers sped up the surface in 2010 - after Federer's permanent whining that courts had been slowed down EVERYWHERE. But, Federer didn't win the tournament in 2010! After that, in 2011, the courts were slowed down - and Federer won the title.
A quote from the Paris Masters homepage in 2012: "The BNP Paribas Masters is played on resin on wood - GreenSet- strictly identical to the surface used at the London Masters which will be held the week following the BNP Paribas Masters, from November 5th - 11th, 2012."
A quote from the Paris Masters tickets homepage now: "The Greenset surface – called ‘compressed laminated wood’ – will be almost identical to last year’s surface which had been very slightly slowed down by a couple of km/h due to player request. ... It also resembles the surface that will be used for the ATP World Tour Finals, ...held at London right after the tournament at Bercy." [Probably "last year’s" means y.2011]
P.S. My previous comment was response to you.
Yes. Every year right before the event.
How is it whining?
How is it whining if he is correct about it? And it is having a big impact on tennis - which he is also right about.
Seriously if anyone has watched tennis since the 80's or early 90's it is incredibly clear how slow the courts have gotten across the board. This is the single biggest threat to quality tennis at the moment.
Thank You Yeah, for Wimbledon they don't have a choice as it is a grass court. But what about the hard courts in AO/USO or the other masters.
What you meant to say was: This is the reason I personally don't enjoy modern tennis as much as my favorite legends from the past.
This debate is dead and over, there is far too much evidence that supports the OP, and others like myself.
Time to end the excuses, S&V is effect. As Gasquet, he used S&V against one of the histories best passing shot tennis players, Federer had his *** handed to him multiple times by true and low level S&V players.
The problem is not the balls, not the courts, it is the choice that today's players are making to stand behind the court, including Federer.
You can S&V on these courts and you would be hugely successful if you are talented enough.
Blame the culture and stop making absurd excuses.
the court wasnt slowed down in 2011. It was the same speed.
The Paris Masters courts were slowed down in 2011!!!
Excerpt from an article.
--- In recent years Bercy [the Paris Masters] has always been the anomaly in the ATP tour, with its super-fast indoor courts often producing surprise champions. But after last year  saw Robin Soderling crowned as champion, the organizers made the deliberate decision to slow down the surface allegedly based on complaints from players that the courts were too fast. And not just a little bit either. In his pre-tournament news conference, second seeded Andy Murray described the courts as “very, very slow” with Fernando Verdasco later echoing those thoughts. Moreover, it’s also plain for spectators to see, with the ball bouncing high and moving painfully slowly through the Bercy courts.---
"Paris Masters Tips: Slow courts and heavy balls favour Federer"
Published 13 November, 2011
players are just faster.
Here are the First Serve Win % for every Grand Slam tournament since 1991. (The ATP did not keep serve stats prior to 1991.) I have scraped the entire ATP website for all the tennis data from 1887-2017 and loaded the data into a local PostgreSQL database, where:
First Serve Win % = (Total First Serve Points Won) / (Total First Serve Points)
Here are the results with the corresponding simple linear regression trendlines.
You can interpret the data at your own risk. I personally conjecture that the big drops in the first serve win % for the following time periods:
Roland Garros: 1998-1999
US Open: 1998-1999
Australian Open: 2000-2001
has something to do with the increasing popularity of the advent of polyester strings (e.g. Gustavo Kuerten + Luxilon Big Banger), where one of the consequences is landing more return of serves inside the lines.
I think more than anything else, the perceived "slowness" of play has more to do with the effects of polyester strings than court surface speeds. Sampras once said that hitting with polyester strings "felt like cheating" because you can smack the hell out of the ball and it will still stay in.
Around the same time (early 2000's) the advent of multi-layer golf ball technology (e.g. Titleist Pro V1) coincided with a big rise in average driving distances, where pros can smash longer drives while still staying in the fairways.
My SQL query in my Postgres client (Navicat) looks like this:
Separate names with a comma.