Are there any serving coaches available for rec players?
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FRV
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I think you're looking for me. $500 an hour. I need a new scooter.
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FRV
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https://www.youtube.com/user/FYB2007/playlists
There is a serve playlist in the link above. Using that playlist and then gathering tips from other YT videos got me to pretty much the serve I have today. You can also post video of your serve on here and people will help you.
I don't know about in person serve coaches. That would be my career goal if it existed, as I am terrible at tennis as a whole, but my serve is getting to be pretty good.
There is a serve playlist in the link above. Using that playlist and then gathering tips from other YT videos got me to pretty much the serve I have today. You can also post video of your serve on here and people will help you.
I don't know about in person serve coaches. That would be my career goal if it existed, as I am terrible at tennis as a whole, but my serve is getting to be pretty good.
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FRV
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S&V-not_dead_yet
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Go find a coach, preferably one who uses video. If none are available, take a look at some of these?
heninfan99
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all coaches should be able to coach the serve...it's kinda important...they all should be serving coaches
Do it yourself for free from the Internet or simply post a video here and we will take care of it.
So, my problem is that I can watch videos until I am blue in the face but something breaks down occasionally and I can't pinpoint it. I've watched the feeltennis videos in the past. Tomasz is excellent. I have tried what he taught and boom, serve works great. It may work great for 10 minutes, 1/2 hour, 1 day, whatever. Then, at some random time it just goes off completely can't get it in the box no matter what I do. That's when I need the coach to see it. I must be introducing a fundamental flaw ( I think it's timing issue and pronation issue ) but I am not exactly sure what.
My experience has been that all say "do it like this" and they show me how they do it. Great, that's not what I am looking for. I want someone to treat me as if I were 8 years old and they were teaching me how to serve for the 1st time. Progressions and everything.
heninfan99
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Any good coach will do that if you ask. The other route is to shoot Salzenstein an email and be prepared to pay $$$ for a private or remote analysis.
EddieBrock
Hall of Fame
Tom Allsopp has a section on his site where you can submit videos of your shots for video analysis.
https://tpatennis.com/stroke-video-analysis/
Even though I've taken a lot of private lessons there is a huge discrepency between the helpfulness of different tennis pros. Most seem to have generic advice and are just putting in their time. So they'll have you hit a bunch of balls from a hopper and shout generic tips at you or say things like "nice one" even if your technique is terrible. Others actually look at what you're doing and give meaningful feedback and correct mistakes.
https://tpatennis.com/stroke-video-analysis/
Even though I've taken a lot of private lessons there is a huge discrepency between the helpfulness of different tennis pros. Most seem to have generic advice and are just putting in their time. So they'll have you hit a bunch of balls from a hopper and shout generic tips at you or say things like "nice one" even if your technique is terrible. Others actually look at what you're doing and give meaningful feedback and correct mistakes.
heninfan99
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who?
It doesn't work that way with adults. You should be prepared to make adjustments in a non-linear fashion. You will go up and down as you work on some things, and you should not reset yourself to 0 every time you face an issue. Like monkey who climbs 3 feet and slips 2 feet down, you need to keep moving up only maybe a foot a time. Abandon the all-or-nothing approach.
Chas Tennis
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@FRV Recall our angle posts in your serve thread.
Look at the frame of impact at 25 sec.
Compare it to the demo at 5:25.
Do you see the differences in various angles?
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FRV
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I can see the change in angles, but don't know how you deliberately change racket to arm angle. I will post a video of one of my serves from the back perspective on that thread. You will see my racket is almost vertical, but slightly angled.
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
Where do you live?
Fairfield County, Connecticut, USA.
This looks fantastic, have you used it? Does the price include follow up? Meaning you send 1 video, they tell you what to correct, send back update for further evaluation or does that count as one more purchase?
Why not? What if the whole stroke production is wrong? Why not deconstruct if the adult customer feels that way? I am not saying that we should keep deconstructing to nothing until we get it right. I am saying start from scratch and then incrementally build up the stroke. My specific problem is that something in my mechanics/technique breaks down at the most inopportune time and unless I capture that condition on video, I won't know what it is. I'd rather reconstruct a solid stroke so I won't have to worry about what is breaking down.
Yes you can post the video here and we will analyze it for free.
Meanwhile, try doing the serve motion slowly and see if you find the problem yourself.
99% of the time it is due to a bad toss.
I know my toss is terrible but even if the toss within tolerable range, I find that the arc of the swing is not loopy enough. Something triggers my body to short cut and go straight at the ball instead of making an arc. When I make an arc I make 99% of serves in. When the arc is interrupted it's 99% out. I noticed this today as I was practicing. Unfortunately, during a match it's hard to notice these details. I think a coach should provide some steps that you can follow to correct any yips that may arise during a match. Anyway, the problem with video is that I have to hit like 200 serves to see the yips occur. When they occur, they occur in bunches. I will try to take some video on wednesday.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
How prevalent is the use of video in lessons? It's been some years since I took a private lesson and only one of the five coaches at the club were using a camera.
Even today, when I walk by the courts, most do not use cameras. Especially high FPS cameras for serve analysis. Maybe not necessary for groundstrokes.
Or can a good coach spot most problems with the naked eye?
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Chadalina
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Post your video and see what happens. Work on one aspect at a time, often times players think they can control 7 new variables in a matter of weeks.
J011yroger
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Not sure but I can get to queens in about an hour driving.
I've taken quite a few lessons, no one is using cameras here. I will record myself on wednesdayHow prevalent is the use of video in lessons? It's been some years since I took a private lesson and only one of the five coaches at the club were using a camera.
Even today, when I walk by the courts, most do not use cameras. Especially high FPS cameras for serve analysis. Maybe not necessary for groundstrokes.
Or can a good coach spot most problems with the naked eye?
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S&V-not_dead_yet
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How prevalent is the use of video in lessons? It's been some years since I took a private lesson and only one of the five coaches at the club were using a camera.
Even today, when I walk by the courts, most do not use cameras. Especially high FPS cameras for serve analysis. Maybe not necessary for groundstrokes.
Or can a good coach spot most problems with the naked eye?
I'm not sure how prevalent it is but I'd insist on the coach using it for 2 reasons:
- The coach might miss things
- You need to be able to see what is being discussed rather than just him observing
I think a lot resist using video because they don't want to change their MO and also, the video might show things that contradict what they think is happening [ie "roll over the ball to create TS"].
Do a lot of shadow swings and slow down your motion. Try not to use your feet and see whether you can just get the swing right. Sometimes these isolation drills help in training the brain properly.
Thx, that's exactly what I attempt to do when the stroke goes awry, minimize lower body movement.
Here are some common problems with the serve:
Toss too far in front leading to chasing the ball.
Toss too far to the other side leading to bending backwards at the waist.
Lack of elbow bend.
Falling to the other side while serving.
Low racket head speed due to fear of ball going long.
Dropping head too soon.
Foot faulting, and then getting upset and serve going down the drain if someone points it out and the mental pressure builds.
Toss too far in front leading to chasing the ball.
Toss too far to the other side leading to bending backwards at the waist.
Lack of elbow bend.
Falling to the other side while serving.
Low racket head speed due to fear of ball going long.
Dropping head too soon.
Foot faulting, and then getting upset and serve going down the drain if someone points it out and the mental pressure builds.
So, I just checked, I am 1.5 hrs away from New London, CT. I am much closer to the bridges into LI than I am to New London. JFK is like an hour away.
J011yroger
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You would have to take the Bridgeport ferry to get to Port Jeff which is close to my club. Bridgeport would be closer to you. It's probably not worth the trip. I'm sure there are plenty of good pros in CT.
J
Nothing like a personal contact on this site. It is like you know the guy at a deep level which a real-life pro cannot match. It is not about how good the pro is, but whether he knows what you REALLY want. And Internet is where people shed their inhibitions and communicate at a true level.
Put me in for all of the above except the foot faulting. I mean, I've caught myself doing any one of those at different times, sometimes many of them especially when the confidence in the stroke goes south.
EddieBrock
Hall of Fame
No idea about the details. I really enjoyed some of his videos and it seems like he knows what he's talking about (at least with the serve videos I saw). If you find out the answers to your questions please let me know. I'm debating sending him my serve and/or backhand or maybe a match video. The only thing is getting someone I play with to agree to be videotapped.
The coach I've been working with in person will tape some of my shots and analyze them on the court, which has been helpful. The only thing is some things with tennis strokes happen naturally and I'm a bit concerned if you try to force them you can make your shot worse or get injured.
Well, thx, I am willing to take the chance, I am not a spring chicken anymore (53) but my body is holding up, I have no issues. I mean, I don't expect to twist my body to the extent Sampras/Fed did/do, I am really more interested in fixing the stroke mechanics, making sure everything moves in sync and with the proper direction/angle/etc. I am not looking to get a 100mph serve. A very consistent high 70s mph low 80s mph would be sufficient for me.
Though you wouldn't know it from this forum, several studies have found that club serves of men are only in the range of 60 to 90 mph, so a low 80s consistent serve is very very good.
I am sure it is. When my serve USED to work before I lost it, I was in the mid 70s consistently. Low 80s were the outliers. If I spend the time and money, I would like to improve it slightly, I am not greedy.
