Are Volkl Biotac grips making my handle seem thicker?

xeropwnage

New User
My Volkl Organix 10 [4 3/8] currently has a Volkl Biotac grip + 1 Yonex Super Grap overgrip on it. Maybe it's just me but it feels bigger than a typical 4 3/8 size grip + 1 overgrip. In addition, the 1 overgrip seems to have diminished the feel of the bevels more than I would have expected. Two questions:

1. Pressing down on it, the grip feels very cushioned. Is the Biotac grip responsible for the perceived extra thickness and loss of bevel feel?

2. I'm thinking about getting the TW 1.3mm leather grip and then applying the same overgrip to it. What I'm expecting is a reduction (likely minor but still noticeable) in grip size and increased bevel feel. Am I wrong to assume this?

A quick search of the forums provided me with a list of grip thicknesses, but I didn't find the Biotac grip listed. I know Volkl is known for having a more rectangular-shaped handle. Perhaps this could also be a factor?
 

TNT34

New User
The thickness and composition of a grip can affect the size and feel significantly. Also, the way a grip is applied can have a significant effect. This is true for both replacement grips and overgrips.

I don't know the Biotac grip specifically, but replacing a synthetic grip with a 1.3mm leather grip will almost always make the grip feel smaller and the bevels more defined. Leather grips are simply less "spongy" and the 1.3 mm TW grip is among the thinnest available.

The difference will be even more pronounced if you apply each grip (both replacement and overgrip) with no overlap. Avoid overlap "ridges" in the grip when you lay the new grip(s) on, and you should get a firmer feel with more distinct bevels. Don't be afraid to pull the leather grip tight when putting it on, and if it doesn't feel right it's easy to take it off and put it back on until it does feel right. I don't pull overgrips as tight as replacement grips, but I still avoid any overlap when applying overgrips. I want a constant grip size/shape from top to bottom (i.e., without ridges) for best bevel feel.

Good luck.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
It isn't the grip material. It is the pallets. Except for the 6, all of the Volkl grips I have used are quite beefy in relationship to their stated size. Like Head on steroids. The 6 still uses the Ativa pallet (originally designed for women) which is an aberration. You can moderate the size with different replacement grips, but only to a limited degree. FWIW, the Volkl leather replacement grip is superb.
 
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xeropwnage

New User
The thickness and composition of a grip can affect the size and feel significantly. Also, the way a grip is applied can have a significant effect. This is true for both replacement grips and overgrips.

I don't know the Biotac grip specifically, but replacing a synthetic grip with a 1.3mm leather grip will almost always make the grip feel smaller and the bevels more defined. Leather grips are simply less "spongy" and the 1.3 mm TW grip is among the thinnest available.

The difference will be even more pronounced if you apply each grip (both replacement and overgrip) with no overlap. Avoid overlap "ridges" in the grip when you lay the new grip(s) on, and you should get a firmer feel with more distinct bevels. Don't be afraid to pull the leather grip tight when putting it on, and if it doesn't feel right it's easy to take it off and put it back on until it does feel right. I don't pull overgrips as tight as replacement grips, but I still avoid any overlap when applying overgrips. I want a constant grip size/shape from top to bottom (i.e., without ridges) for best bevel feel.

Good luck.
I can purchase the leather grip now with a little less apprehension. Now I just have to go back and find that thread that explains how to put a leather grip on properly. Apparently, it has to start on a particular bevel and it must overlap to a certain extent before you start working your way up the handle.

It isn't the grip material. It is the pallets. Except for the 6, all of the Volkl grips I have used are quite beefy in relationship to their stated size. Like Head on steroids. The 6 still uses the Ativa pallet (originally designed for women) which is an aberration. You can moderate the size with different grips, but only to a limited degree. FWIW, the Volkl leather replacement grip is superb.
My brother has a Head IG Instinct with a Wilson K-Grip + 1 Gamma Supreme overgrip and that feels a lot better. I hope replacing the grip with a leather one alleviates the problem, even if a little. I think I read somewhere that Volkl pallets can be switched out but I want to avoid that route if at all possible. Also, this is just me being cheap but I might try and save a couple bucks by trying the Gamma leather grip. Have you used it before and, if so, what are your thoughts on it? Does it have an adhesive backing?

Thanks for your responses, guys.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
I can purchase the leather grip now with a little less apprehension. Now I just have to go back and find that thread that explains how to put a leather grip on properly. Apparently, it has to start on a particular bevel and it must overlap to a certain extent before you start working your way up the handle.



My brother has a Head IG Instinct with a Wilson K-Grip + 1 Gamma Supreme overgrip and that feels a lot better. I hope replacing the grip with a leather one alleviates the problem, even if a little. I think I read somewhere that Volkl pallets can be switched out but I want to avoid that route if at all possible. Also, this is just me being cheap but I might try and save a couple bucks by trying the Gamma leather grip. Have you used it before and, if so, what are your thoughts on it? Does it have an adhesive backing?

Thanks for your responses, guys.
Yes, they can. I know guys who go one size down with Volkl racquets. I stick with my regular size -- it only feels a bit off at first and then I adapt without any conscious effort. Downsizing feels a little too small to me. I can play with pretty much anything, so I am not thrown off much. YMMV.
 

TNT34

New User
I can purchase the leather grip now with a little less apprehension. Now I just have to go back and find that thread that explains how to put a leather grip on properly. Apparently, it has to start on a particular bevel and it must overlap to a certain extent before you start working your way up the handle.
Yes, you must overlap at the beginning over the butt cap and for the first turn or two. But by the time you get an inch or so past the butt cap there is no need to overlap, although many people prefer the feel of an overlapped grip. I like a smooth feel and therefore want to get past the overlapping as fast as possible.

I don't think you really need to start on any particular bevel, although I always start on bevel #6 (with bevel #1 at the top). Many racquets have a small indent where the original grip started, and it's convenient to use that indent when you start the new grip. If you've never done it before you might regrip a few times using your old grip until you get a feel for what works best for you. Then, once you have the hang of it, put on the new grip. I've regripped many hundreds of times, and I still frequently put a grip on and then take it off and do it over. I like the way leather grips gets stretched a bit during the first installation, so when I do it the second time (immediately after, not after playing with it), I get a flatter, thinner, installation.

Finally, most instructions tell you to anchor the beginning end of the new grip with a tack or staple or something. I don't do that, which makes it easier to take the grip off and start over if I don't like the feel. If the end is properly overlapped you should not have any problem with the end coming loose.

Good luck,

T.
 

xeropwnage

New User
Your instructions will be very helpful. I just ordered the 1.3mm TW leather grip and since I recently found out that the Biotac grip is 1.8mm thick (according to a Volkl rep), the difference should feel better.
 
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